Another Droid BBS is and will be offline for at least 3-4 days. Yesterday we had a severe thunderstorm in my area which caused a lot of damages in the telephone and power grid.

Both my router and router ups were damaged and i have to replace them.
Because of the extense of the damages i can't even communicate with my telephone company, their lines are either offline or in use.

Electric power is OK now, but for several hours was off. Fortunately mobile networks are working and have enough MBs in my data plan to BBS. :) I will inform when the BBS will be online again.


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Another Droid BBS is and will be offline for at least 3-4 days.
Yesterday we had a severe thunderstorm in my area which caused a lot of damages in the telephone and power grid.

Both my router and router ups were damaged and i have to replace them. Because of the extense of the damages i can't even communicate with my telephone company, their lines are either offline or in use.

Electric power is OK now, but for several hours was off. Fortunately mobile networks are working and have enough MBs in my data plan to BBS.
:) I will inform when the BBS will be online again.

Best of luck getting back on. When we had power issues around my
neighborhood (PG&E cut power due to fire risks in California last
summer) I was able to take my BBS, running on a laptop, to work. I
connected to my office wifi and at least got packets out, although
people couldn't connect to me.

We don't live in thunderstorm country, thankfully. My heart goes
out to people who need to unplug their kit to avoid it being fried on
a regular basis. Just earthquakes.




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Best of luck getting back on. When we had power issues around my
neighborhood (PG&E cut power due to fire risks in California last
summer) I was able to take my BBS, running on a laptop, to work. I
connected to my office wifi and at least got packets out, although
people couldn't connect to me.

Well... things got easier than expected. The tel.co, agreed to replace the equipment free of charge, us there are many people with the same issue. I
still had to wait for an hour, wearing a mask, in the line to get the equipment, but it's ok now.

The BBS machine (RPi3) is just fine, but my main pc, probably burned the ethernet card :( Fortunately i had a usb wifi adapter and for now, my desktop pc, will become wireless as well :)

We don't live in thunderstorm country, thankfully. My heart goes
out to people who need to unplug their kit to avoid it being fried on
a regular basis. Just earthquakes.

It's the second time that a thunderstorm burned devices at my hope and work... next time, i am going to unplug everything. Even the UPSes get burned >:|

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It's the second time that a thunderstorm burned devices at my hope and work... next time, i am going to unplug everything. Even the UPSes get burned >:|

Wow. After I lost a modem (and the port that went along with it) due to a thunderstorm power issue, it was the entire reason I got a UPS. I had thought that was what they were _designed_ for.

Though having a powered outlet during a power outage is also pretty neat. I do also remember feeling fairly smug having a light on in a hi-rise apartment building when the power was out.

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The BBS machine (RPi3) is just fine, but my main pc, probably burned the ethernet card :( Fortunately i had a usb wifi adapter and for now, my desktop pc, will become wireless as well :)

Jeez man - sorry to hear that... you know, I've never had hardware pop
because of an electrical issue. Lucky I guess; anyway, sorry to hear your hardware took a hit. Hope you get it ironed out quickly. UGH.

It's the second time that a thunderstorm burned devices at my hope and work... next time, i am going to unplug everything. Even the UPSes get burned >:|

Jeez man!



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Wow. After I lost a modem (and the port that went along with it)
due to a thunderstorm power issue, it was the entire reason I got a
UPS. I had thought that was what they were _designed_ for.

A UPS is not designed to stop a lightning strike or a power sugre beyond
a small amount. A UPS is designed to keep things running wuring a power
outage.

One of these is designed to stop what you want:

http://www.picaust.com/Power-Lightning-Protection.html

They get put in front of the UPS to protect the UPS and everything that's connetced to the UPS.




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UPS. I had thought that was what they were _designed_ for.

A UPS is not designed to stop a lightning strike or a power sugre beyond

I'd have thought a line conditioner would have more of a chance than a UPS as its at least got to cope with some level of spikeage in the line anyways as well as low voltage. However for lightning.... unless its hitting the line down the road somewhere... I'd be going for the lightning rod and a good ground somewhere... :) Try and make sure nothing gets hit by it.

In the past lightning arresters seem to have gotten a pretty bad rap... if the power is sufficient to ARC all the way to ground, it's simply going to cook the
arrester and arc over it as well... But no real idea how they work or how they
dissipate the energy involved.

Spec


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anyways as well as low voltage. However for lightning.... unless its hitting the line down the road somewhere... I'd be going for the
lightning rod and a good ground somewhere... :) Try and make sure

True, true -- I guess I was still assuming that xqtr's issues were not with a super-close lightning strike -- just a sudden power surge.

If the lightning is close enough that a lightning rod is doing useful work,
and that charge gets into the wiring, I would kind of assume you'd not only need a new computer after that, you'd need new wiring.

But, still, I'll take it as a lesson that UPSs are for power sags and
outages, or maybe power conditioning, and need the recommended other things
for lightning.

But I'll still be waiting on buying these things until I'm established in Germany.

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True, true -- I guess I was still assuming that xqtr's issues were not wit super-close lightning strike -- just a sudden power surge.

For sure it wasn't just a power surge... a lighting must hit very close. Both my TV and satellite receiver burned, a router and its UPS, my home alarm
system is off.

I got a new router from the tel.co. so i am back online, still waiting for the new ups to arrive. This storm was something i have never saw again in my life, as lighting came down after lighting and whole sky was bright from
lightings... and the thing is, that i was 80km away from the epicenter of the main storm. There, things got really bad.

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Re: Re: Another Droid is offline...
By: Spectre to vorlon on Tue Aug 11 2020 10:41 pm

UPS. I had thought that was what they were _designed_ for.

A UPS is not designed to stop a lightning strike or a power sugre beyon

I'd have thought a line conditioner would have more of a chance than a UPS a its at least got to cope with some level of spikeage in the line anyways as well as low voltage. However for lightning.... unless its hitting the line down the road somewhere... I'd be going for the lightning rod and a good gro somewhere... :) Try and make sure nothing gets hit by it.

In the past lightning arresters seem to have gotten a pretty bad rap... if t power is sufficient to ARC all the way to ground, it's simply going to cook arrester and arc over it as well... But no real idea how they work or how t dissipate the energy involved.

Spec

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A lot of ligthning induced overloads are not caused by a direct hit. Most often, it strikes near a power line and overloads it via induction.

Overload protection only gets you so far. If you are in a really bad t-storm area, one is bound to fry your equipment.

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for the new ups to arrive. This storm was something i have never saw
again in my life, as lighting came down after lighting and whole sky was bright from lightings... and the thing is, that i was 80km away from the

Huh. That's pretty intense.

That reminds me that said storm introduced me to the weather term "derecho". Which I still don't understand what it has to do with the Spanish term,
unless it's dare-eck-oh. But I'm internalizing it as, "Midwest hurricane".

(And, yes, not inherently a cyclone, and definitely not tropical, but
whatever)

For sure it wasn't just a power surge... a lighting must hit very close. Both my TV and satellite receiver burned, a router and its UPS, my home alarm system is off.

Yeah, that does sound like something that you have to unplug for, because it doesn't seem like there's _any_ equipment that'd deal well with it aside from
a lightning rod.

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For sure it wasn't just a power surge... a lighting must hit very close. Both my TV and satellite receiver burned, a router and its UPS, my home alarm system is off.

I got a new router from the tel.co. so i am back online, still waiting
for the new ups to arrive. This storm was something i have never saw
again in my life, as lighting came down after lighting and whole sky was bright from lightings... and the thing is, that i was 80km away from the epicenter of the main storm. There, things got really bad.

WOW you got lucky! 10 years ago I was drilling holes for my pergola
that I had been building within my garage. Lightening hit a block
away, and I was thrown back a good 4ft. My neighbor told my wife to
never believe I could not dance. Good ting only a few electronics went
out. Could have been much worse! The storms this year are crazy. We
had a pretty serious one last night that took some of our roof shingles
off, so we now have an insurance claim to file. Best wishes in getting
back up and running quickly. Glad you're ok!

-tG

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On 08-11-20 22:41, Spectre wrote to vorlon <=-

UPS. I had thought that was what they were _designed_ for.

A UPS is not designed to stop a lightning strike or a power sugre beyond

I'd have thought a line conditioner would have more of a chance than a
UPS as its at least got to cope with some level of spikeage in the line anyways as well as low voltage. However for lightning.... unless its hitting the line down the road somewhere... I'd be going for the
lightning rod and a good ground somewhere... :) Try and make sure
nothing gets hit by it.

There is another situation where such filtering might work. If you have a nearby strike, it can induce significant voltages and currents into nearby power and communication circuits. This is what the arrestors can help with, and if you have a tower, you can increast the probability of a direct strike becoming a (very) near miss by using a lightning rod and having a well grounded tower. The tower rod and tower will then take the direct strike, with the nearby cabling only having to deal with induced currents (and maybe some potential difference), which are more easily suppressed.


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There is another situation where such filtering might work. If you have a nearby strike, it can induce significant voltages and currents into nearby power and communication circuits. This is what the arrestors can help

Never thought about it greatly, the two situations I've seen are Direct Hit in which case I think its time to start praying nothing else is going to save your equipment although preparation with the lightning rod might have...

And almighty surge in phone lines oddly enough not power lines.. back in the telecom days.. took out a couple of then newish suburbs out westward. I didn't get to the bottom of the cause for that one, but it was presumed lightning.

How much induced current can you get out of a strike? I've never really considered that avenue of "attack"...

Spec


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On 14 Aug 2020, Spectre said the following...

And almighty surge in phone lines oddly enough not power lines.. back
in the telecom days.. took out a couple of then newish suburbs out westward. I didn't get to the bottom of the cause for that one, but it was presumed lightning.

Back when I worked at a local computer shop (when dialup internet was
the norm), whenever there was a thunder storm I always knew to expect a
steady stream of customers coming in.

Something about the storms we got would also fry their modems. When they
tried connecting to the internet they'd get a "NO DIAL TONE" error. We would replace their modem and recommend they buy a power bar with phone protection.

More often then not they'd decline the power bar, and sure enough we'd see
them back one or two storms later.

Jay

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UPS. I had thought that was what they were _designed_

for.

A UPS is not designed to stop a lightning strike or a power
sugre beyond

[...]

In the past lightning arresters seem to have gotten a pretty bad
rap... if the power is sufficient to ARC all the way to ground,
it's simply going to cook the arrester and arc over it as well...
But no real idea how they work or how they dissipate the energy
involved.

I have used the ones I linked to in a previous job, and they do work. Now
adays it's someone elses problem. #-)




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On 10 Aug 2020, xqtr said the following...

Another Droid BBS is and will be offline for at least 3-4 days.
Yesterday we had a severe thunderstorm in my area which caused a lot of damages in the telephone and power grid.

Both my router and router ups were damaged and i have to replace them. Because of the extense of the damages i can't even communicate with my telephone company, their lines are either offline or in use.

Electric power is OK now, but for several hours was off. Fortunately mobile networks are working and have enough MBs in my data plan to BBS.
:) I will inform when the BBS will be online again.

Yeouch, that's gotta hurt. Hopefully that's been sorted by the time I saw
this!

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On 08-14-20 16:05, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Never thought about it greatly, the two situations I've seen are Direct Hit in which case I think its time to start praying nothing else is
going to save your equipment although preparation with the lightning
rod might have...

Direct hit = "you're toast" (maybe literally!). The idea of the lightning rod is to take the strike and direct it through conductors that can cope with the current, and away from vulnerable systems.

And almighty surge in phone lines oddly enough not power lines.. back
in the telecom days.. took out a couple of then newish suburbs out westward. I didn't get to the bottom of the cause for that one, but it was presumed lightning.

Phone lines aren't designed to carry the same currents that power lines are (for obvious reasons!), so an induced current need not be as strong to cause damage as it would have to be ion the power network.

How much induced current can you get out of a strike? I've never
really considered that avenue of "attack"...

Thousands of amps with a fairly sharp rise time, I reckon you'd get a decent induced voltage, and in turn a decent current. There are gas discharge suppressors designed to protect telco equipment.


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