Hi Ian.

Just a quick note of thanks for the kind gift of the fsxNet t-shirt that arrived in the mail the other day. It was very kind of you to arrange this along with the others involved.

I hope this wee note finds you well.

Best, Paul

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Hi Avon

Just a quick note of thanks for the kind gift of the fsxNet t-shirt
that arrived in the mail the other day. It was very kind of you to
arrange this along with the others involved.

That's all good, we thought you should have one for all you work and help with fsxnet & Mystic

I hope this wee note finds you well.

Yes it did, and all is well and just got back from holiday, the bbs did well
wo

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Best, Paul

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Just a quick note to all reading this for taking the time to post /
read stuff in fsxNet message bases. It's nice to have your company
here and I appreciate you have many choices to post and share stuff,
so thanks for making fsx one of those spots. :)

It's nice to see the new echos getting good use. General seems a bit
quieter, but there is definitly more variety of conversation since you
add them, so I think it was a good call :)

There does seem to be a variety of places to post, but then there always
was.. networks come and go all the time, i remember being on gatornet
back before fsxnet came around, i think that's gone now.

It's good when nets stick around, and it's one thing to stick around
quiet another thing to remain relevant and used. I think you can be proud
of that.

Andrew

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On 07 Oct 2021 at 01:32p, apam pondered and said...

It's nice to see the new echos getting good use. General seems a bit quieter, but there is definitly more variety of conversation since you
add them, so I think it was a good call :)

Yes I agree, on the whole there are some interesting albeit lower volumes chats going on in some of the other newer echos. Some of the new ones seem quieter than others. I was starting to get tempted to cull a few but will resist that urge for the time being.

There does seem to be a variety of places to post, but then there always was.. networks come and go all the time, i remember being on gatornet
back before fsxnet came around, i think that's gone now.

True true, I'm not across as many of them as perhaps I should be but to be honest it's enough to keep on top of things in this network at times :)

It's good when nets stick around, and it's one thing to stick around
quiet another thing to remain relevant and used. I think you can be proud of that.

Thanks Andrew, appreciate it.

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True true, I'm not across as many of them as perhaps I should be but
to be honest it's enough to keep on top of things in this network at
times :)

I'm on a few, tqwnet, retronet, wwivnet, dovenet and of course happynet.

TQWnet, is a nice net, as you know run by meatlotion, but traffic is
fairly slow. It's probably the best comparison to fsxnet in my mind, in
that it's fairly general.

retronet seems to be almost dead, it's focused on retro computing, but
very few chat.

WWIVnet, while it has it's ftn counterpart is mainly for WWIV bbses, it
feels rather slow at the moment, but has a great sub-community of WWIV
sysops. Although it's a general net also, it feels more of a wwiv
specifice net.

dovenet, is the longest running net i carry, and i've only just set it up
very recently. I used to follow it more, and if your into synchronet or
extreme right-wing politics then that is the net for you. (I'm not really
into either, but I like synchronet and digital man is a really nice guy
so I like to read his posts.)

happynet is obviously the best network out there, even better than
fsxnet, in fact it is the most amazing net run by the most amazing person
in the entire world.......... hehehe i kid, it's pretty slow, most of my talisman posts go into happynet general and FSX_MAG so it's not really
useful, but is a good test for postie.

as for other nets that i'm not in, i still tend to look over them from
time to time... araknet... meh, seems to be fairly slow these days.
agoranet, zeronet both seem to still exist, but don't get a lot of posts. scinet i think is dead again as frank has disappeared again... hey, i
don't feel so bad about shutting down happynet a couple of times now :P

spooknet.. boo, i don't like it. if it wasn't such a christian oriented network, it might be fun, but seeing the anti-islamic, anti-gay, anti-...
posts kind of left a bad taste in my mouth

whispernet... i think that's still going, don't check on it much, but
seems to be christian oriented but not so negative as spooknet.

micronet.. seems cool, has it's regulars.

fidonet.................... what's that?!

In other words, you're not missing out on much, i always come back to
fsxnet.

Hope I didn't offend anyone who runs a net.. just my observations, as
they say your mileage may vary. Depends on your interests I guess.

Andrew

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Hello Avon!

On 07 Oct 2021, Avon said the following...

Just a quick note to all reading this for taking the time to post / read stuff in fsxNet message bases. It's nice to have your company here and I appreciate you have many choices to post and share stuff, so thanks for making fsx one of those spots. :)

Thanks to you (and all the hubs) for keeping everything running so smoothly! It's always nice to be here.

Best regards
Zip

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Am 07.10.21 schrieb apam@21:1/182 in FSX_GEN:

Hallo apam,

I'm on a few, tqwnet, retronet, wwivnet, dovenet and of course happynet.

[...]

Thanks for the listing of some FTNs and your opinion!
For the ones that I know, I agree with your view :)

I just would shamelessly like to add one:

WeedNet, a relatively new network for the friends of Cannabis :)
Traffic is pretty low at the moment.
(as I'm the FTN hub of this FTN+QWK network, I had to add it *g*)

Regards,
Anna

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Re: Re: Thank you
By: apam to Avon on Thu Oct 07 2021 01:57 pm

dovenet, is the longest running net i carry, and i've only just set it up very recently. I used to follow it more, and if your into synchronet or extreme right-wing politics then that is the net for you. (I'm not really into either, but I like synchronet and digital man is a really nice guy
so I like to read his posts.)

You make it look like Dovenet is the Gab of the othernets and I don't think that is fair.

There are about 2 right-wingers that are noisy, which is about the same number of left-wingers that are noisy over there.

Dovenet also has awesome movie reviews from time to time.

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You make it look like Dovenet is the Gab of the othernets and I don't think that is fair.

What does Gab mean?

There are about 2 right-wingers that are noisy, which is about the same number of left-wingers that are noisy over there.

Is there? I get tired of the political talk quickly, so don't spend too much time reading it, but when ever i venture over to the debate area it's kind of toxic to me.

Dovenet also has awesome movie reviews from time to time.

Cool.

Mostly I see either politics or synchronet talk, if that floats your boat then that's cool - I don't mind dovenet for keeping updated on synchronet etc.

Andrew

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dovenet, is the longest running net i carry, and i've only just set

That may not be true either now that I re-read it. I don't know which one
is older, dovenet or wwivnet - but now I think about it it's probably
wwivnet.

It wasn't really meant to be a wikipedia article haha, just my impression
of the ones i am on and that i sometimes read.

Andrew
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Re: Re: Thank you
By: apam to Arelor on Thu Oct 07 2021 07:35 am

You make it look like Dovenet is the Gab of the othernets and I don't think that is fair.

What does Gab mean?

Gab is a social network you wouldn't like.

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I just would shamelessly like to add one:

WeedNet, a relatively new network for the friends of Cannabis :)
Traffic is pretty low at the moment.
(as I'm the FTN hub of this FTN+QWK network, I had to add it *g*)

Hehe, I did know about weednet, but have never actually read any posts on
it. Weed isn't legal here, and even if it was, i'm really not interested
in it, so can't write an opinion on it :)

There's probably a few more I missed, I don't know if DeveloperNet and MusicalNet are still about, I used to be subscribed to that years ago,
but it was very low traffic then - I of course forgot VKradio (actually I haven't seen anything from vk3jed in a while - hope he is ok..)

Andrew

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Just a quick note to all reading this for taking the time to post / read stuff in fsxNet message bases. It's nice to have your company here and I appreciate you have many choices to post and share stuff, so thanks for making fsx one of those spots. :)
Best, Paul

woot woot!

Thanks
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True true, I'm not across as many of them as perhaps I should be but to
be honest it's enough to keep on top of things in this network at times
:)

i know i usually frequent a small set of message bases, early in the morning when i start work. (i work from home and spend 8 hours a day on my BBS. the best part about working from home) the rest of the time on my BBS i am in MRC chat :-) hanging out with MeatLotion and the gang.

Thanks
- Gamecube Buddy

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Re: Thank you
By: Avon to All on Thu Oct 07 2021 11:34 am

Just a quick note to all reading this for taking the time to post / read stuff in fsxNet message bases. It's nice to have your company here and I appreciate you have many choices to post and share stuff, so thanks for making fsx one of those spots. :)

Best, Paul

Thanks for having me!

Tom
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Hello Avon;

Avon wrote to All <=-

Just a quick note to all reading this for taking the time to post /
read stuff in fsxNet message bases. It's nice to have your company here and I appreciate you have many choices to post and share stuff, so
thanks for making fsx one of those spots. :)

fsxNet is a very friendly and useful FTN! I'm glad you created it for our usage. I hope I contribute to the conversations in a positive way - I do try
at least. Sometimes we tend to disagree with each other but there's no hate that spawns from it we just tend to agree to disagree and move on which makes fxsNet a wonderful net to be a part of.



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haven't seen anything from vk3jed in a while - hope he is ok..)

I spotted a post from him on another system in Fido, not sure of the date now ... but he's been very quiet for some time..

Spec


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Hello Spectre!

** On Friday 08.10.21 - 11:39, Spectre wrote to apam:

haven't seen anything from vk3jed in a while - hope he is
ok..)

I spotted a post from him on another system in Fido, not
sure of the date now ... but he's been very quiet for some
time..

All I saw were his ads posted in retronet/ads echo. Probably
just a robot.

The last real messages that I see are on dovenet and fsxnet in
July.

It *does* seem strange that he would drop off the radar so
abruptly.


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BY: apam(21:1/182)

That may not be true either now that I re-read it. I don't know which
one
is older, dovenet or wwivnet - but now I think about it it's probably wwivnet.

WWIVnet was basically dead for 10 years until me and Eli started to revive it in 2011.


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WWIVnet was basically dead for 10 years until me and Eli started to
revive it in 2011.

Sure, but would you consider it a network that has been running since
2011, or an older one that has just been dormant for 10 years?

I guess it doesn't really matter, still been running since 2011 makes it
10 years old this year, so it and dovenet are still the oldest two nets
on my BBS.

Andrew

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Am 07.10.21 schrieb apam@21:1/182 in FSX_GEN:

Hallo apam,

Hehe, I did know about weednet, but have never actually read any posts on it. Weed isn't legal here, and even if it was, i'm really not interested
in it, so can't write an opinion on it :)

No problem :)
It isn't legal here, either (yet, maybe that will change soon).
But I thought it is worth supporting and I'm using it to learn
something about running a FTN using Synchronet.

Regards,
Anna

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On 07 Oct 2021 at 09:28a, Xerxes pondered and said...

Thanks for having me!
Tom
Sysop of KN6Q BBS --- https://kn6q.org
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I hope it's going well for you Tom and you're enjoying playing with BBS stuff.

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On 07 Oct 2021 at 10:55a, N1uro pondered and said...

fsxNet is a very friendly and useful FTN! I'm glad you created it for our usage. I hope I contribute to the conversations in a positive way - I do try at least. Sometimes we tend to disagree with each other but there's
no hate that spawns from it we just tend to agree to disagree and move
on which makes fxsNet a wonderful net to be a part of.

Thanks for the feedback. And again, thanks to you (and others) for taking the time to post.

Yes, for the most part things/message roll along OK in the networks. There have been past issues when people got into country politics and that never ends well, so I opted to request that that subject be discussed in othernets and not fsxNet. Doing so seems to have negated a fair chunk of dramas.

There are the odd occasions where a (shall we say) 'strong personality' comes along and just wants to debate for the sake of debating or is not fussed about being kind or respectful. What's interesting in those cases is that the community tends to self moderate things pretty well and souls spoiling for a debate are usually ignored and/or called out for poor behavior and then tend to go elsewhere.

I've learned that you can't keep everyone happy all the time, that people come to these message areas (and othernets) with their own version of what is right/wrong good/bad in terms to ways to conduct themselves and engage with others.

It can be hard at times seeing folks you have had long periods of correspondence with and congenial dealings with either fall into some text heated (and ultimately futile) debate with someone else. Then opt to leave and promulgate a view that the entire message network is no good, full of haters etc. when (and this just my point of view) it's clearly not the case nor will any amount of saying it is and repeating such falsehoods make it so.

It's sort of like going to school, having a good time, making a bunch of friends from several classrooms, then having a disagreement with 3-6 classmates about some subject, deciding you hate this school and the whole school is bad, leaving, then saying how bad that school was to anyone who will listen.

All of which is to say, I've seen that end of the spectrum of behavior and I've also seen the other end as well with a lot of kindness and good intent.. while in the middle there's (mostly) agreements and when not, a good natured effort to either see the others point of view and then agree (mutually) to not agree and move on to other stuff both parties can chat about.

I'd better stop, I seem to have written a novel. :)

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Hey Avon;

Avon wrote to N1uro <=-

Thanks for the feedback. And again, thanks to you (and others) for
taking the time to post.

You're most welcome. Running/owning a network is not an easy task. I did that
a few decades ago and much of what you said below was pretty spot on.

Yes, for the most part things/message roll along OK in the networks.
There have been past issues when people got into country politics and
that never ends well, so I opted to request that that subject be
discussed in othernets and not fsxNet. Doing so seems to have negated a fair chunk of dramas.

Politics, and religion are two topics that should be avoided UNLESS you have specific echo areas for them with frequent reminders that hatred will NOT
be tollerated. Otherwise as you say just avoid the topic(s) altogether.

There are the odd occasions where a (shall we say) 'strong personality' comes along and just wants to debate for the sake of debating or is not fussed about being kind or respectful. What's interesting in those
cases is that the community tends to self moderate things pretty well
and souls spoiling for a debate are usually ignored and/or called out
for poor behavior and then tend to go elsewhere.

It's quite parallel to amateur radio where for the most part we self police ourselves and we try to obey our own gentlemen's agreements on things. You can't avoid those 'strong personalities' or even police them tbh, just try
and do your best to guide them. I've found that leading by example works
best especially coming from the network owner.

I've learned that you can't keep everyone happy all the time, that
people come to these message areas (and othernets) with their own
version of what is right/wrong good/bad in terms to ways to conduct themselves and engage with others.

No you can't. Someone is bound to disagree... and that's fine! It's what
makes us all unique. People go to all message areas, unsocial medias, etc
with their own biased viewpoints. Keeping such on worthless entities such
as deFacingBook or InstaGRUDGE is where they belong since they admitted
this week they breed such. FTNs are much better without that.

It can be hard at times seeing folks you have had long periods of correspondence with and congenial dealings with either fall into some
text heated (and ultimately futile) debate with someone else. Then opt
to leave and promulgate a view that the entire message network is no
good, full of haters etc. when (and this just my point of view) it's clearly not the case nor will any amount of saying it is and repeating such falsehoods make it so.

As you say, it's always difficult "losing a friend" whether it be someone you personally know or even someone you enjoy exchanging mail with in the echos. People just have to keep an open mind about others and opposing view points. That's not on you as much as it is on the individual however.

It's sort of like going to school, having a good time, making a bunch
of friends from several classrooms, then having a disagreement with 3-6 classmates about some subject, deciding you hate this school and the
whole school is bad, leaving, then saying how bad that school was to anyone who will listen.

I hated school period so I hated everyone equally <G>

All of which is to say, I've seen that end of the spectrum of behavior
and I've also seen the other end as well with a lot of kindness and
good intent.. while in the middle there's (mostly) agreements and when not, a good natured effort to either see the others point of view and
then agree (mutually) to not agree and move on to other stuff both
parties can chat about.

If I don't agree with something someone said, I try to present the opposing viewpoint they may NOT be seeing (of course partially from my own bias) without using any sort of fowl language or being insulting. Unfortunately 9 out of 10 times it's never returned but I know this makes me the better person. Also
I've grown to realize from a good friend years ago if you have to talk to someone over their behavior it's best to: punish in private, praise in public.

I'd better stop, I seem to have written a novel. :)

Will it be in Barnes & Nobel? <G>

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Hello Avon!

** On Saturday 09.10.21 - 14:36, Avon wrote to N1uro:

I'd better stop, I seem to have written a novel. :)

A novel is a work of fiction. ;) How 'bout writing something
realistic? <g,d,r>

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Sure, but would you consider it a network that has been running since
2011, or an older one that has just been dormant for 10 years?

1987-2002/2003 then 2011-present.


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On 07 Oct 2021 at 06:22a, Arelor pondered and said...

You make it look like Dovenet is the Gab of the othernets and I don't think that is fair.

I dunno. There's a convicted sex offender over there
who keeps talking about pedophiles in the white house
and other weird conspiracy nonsense like that. It
seems very strange.

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On 08 Oct 2021 at 12:23a, Ogg pondered and said...

The last real messages that I see are on dovenet and fsxnet in
July.

It *does* seem strange that he would drop off the radar so
abruptly.

The last messages he posted to the 44net mailing list
were last month. Perhaps he's just busy.

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Re: Re: Thank you
By: tenser to Arelor on Wed Oct 13 2021 01:59 pm

On 07 Oct 2021 at 06:22a, Arelor pondered and said...

You make it look like Dovenet is the Gab of the othernets and I don't think that is fair.

I dunno. There's a convicted sex offender over there
who keeps talking about pedophiles in the white house
and other weird conspiracy nonsense like that. It
seems very strange.

Who would that user be?

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On 13 Oct 2021 at 08:46a, Arelor pondered and said...

Re: Re: Thank you
By: tenser to Arelor on Wed Oct 13 2021 01:59 pm

On 07 Oct 2021 at 06:22a, Arelor pondered and said...

You make it look like Dovenet is the Gab of the othernets and I do think that is fair.

I dunno. There's a convicted sex offender over there
who keeps talking about pedophiles in the white house
and other weird conspiracy nonsense like that. It
seems very strange.

Who would that user be?

I'll email you directly.

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Just a quick note to all reading this for taking the time to post / read stuff in fsxNet message bases. It's nice to have your company here and I appreciate you have many choices to post and share stuff, so thanks for making fsx one of those spots. :)

Best, Paul

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It's nice to be welcomed here as well. :-)

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