• Re: Crash etc.

    From Avon@21:1/101 to Al on Tuesday, December 17, 2019 20:39:55
    On 16 Dec 2019 at 08:23a, Avon pondered and said...

    More playing to be done tonight :)

    I've been looking at how Dan set up his copy of HPT and it looks like he's opted to used fileboxes for all nodes (fileboxalways) such that echomail etc. is also packed to those boxes.. so regardless of if a node is packed with
    crash echomail or netmail it's really only the filebox setting in BinkD
    that's crashing or holding things... as I see it... which I think is correct.

    Within HPT and with flileboxalways set to off... I think I now understand the linkdefaults style settings you can blanket apply to all nodes you wish to... but then I can also see how easy it is to set netmailflavour or
    echomailflavour to crash and inadvertently set lots of nodes that should be
    set to hold to crash instead... and all of this sits in the echomail\out dir that BinkD looks to.

    I'm trying to determine the pros and cons of using a fileboxalways
    approach vs packing thiings to the usual default outbound.

    Also trying to figure out how to ensure nodes that should be crash are crash and nodes that are not are set to hold.

    Looks like fileboxes may be the way to go but then any packed arcmail with crash status is really made a mockery of if the filebox in binkd is
    incorrectly set..

    the alternative seems to be manually setting netmail,echomail flavours per
    node and leaving the fileboxes to TIC traffic only etc...

    Just thinking aloud...

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Avon on Monday, December 16, 2019 23:51:40
    Hello Avon,

    I've been looking at how Dan set up his copy of HPT and it looks like
    he's opted to used fileboxes for all nodes (fileboxalways) such that echomail etc. is also packed to those boxes.. so regardless of if a
    node is packed with crash echomail or netmail it's really only the
    filebox setting in BinkD that's crashing or holding things... as I see it... which I think is correct.

    I have not used fileboxes in my setup of HPT. The only filebox I have here is for your 21:1/10 node to send the InterBBS game files your way. That filebox is
    set to crash so I don't need to poll your node. Once I place anything in there
    it is automagically sent to your node when binkd rescans the outbound.

    Fileboxes are not needed for sending echomail, netmail or tics.

    Within HPT and with flileboxalways set to off... I think I now
    understand the linkdefaults style settings you can blanket apply to
    all nodes you wish to... but then I can also see how easy it is to set netmailflavour or echomailflavour to crash and inadvertently set lots
    of nodes that should be set to hold to crash instead... and all of
    this sits in the echomail\out dir that BinkD looks to.

    I use simply "Flavour". It's possible to also use "EchomailFlavour", NetmailFlavour" and "FileechoFlavour" if you need more fine grained control but
    I have avoided that.

    I like to keep things as simple as possible.

    I'm trying to determine the pros and cons of using a fileboxalways approach vs packing thiings to the usual default outbound.

    That I'm not sure of. Might have to ask Dan why he uses fileboxes. I don't think fileboxes are a bad thing, I just haven't needed them at all.

    Also trying to figure out how to ensure nodes that should be crash are crash and nodes that are not are set to hold.

    I think fileboxes can also have a flavour of i, c, d, -, or h in your binkd.conf.

    Looks like fileboxes may be the way to go but then any packed arcmail
    with crash status is really made a mockery of if the filebox in binkd
    is incorrectly set..

    Why are fileboxes the way to go?

    I think if you are careful setting up the fileboxes in binkd.conf they will work just as well but I don't see a need for them.

    the alternative seems to be manually setting netmail,echomail flavours
    per node and leaving the fileboxes to TIC traffic only etc...

    I would just use flow files for everything and use fileboxes where needed, if needed.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Avon on Tuesday, December 17, 2019 00:13:42
    Hello Avon,

    Looks like fileboxes may be the way to go but then any packed arcmail
    with crash status is really made a mockery of if the filebox in binkd
    is incorrectly set..

    After pondering the pros and cons of fileboxes I can think of one reason why fileboxes might be prefered. Your outbound directory is not going to be full of
    various stuff that needs sending. Well, yes it is.. it is just placed in different directories.

    That might make it easier if you want to see what's up with a certain node, maybe.

    There is a showold.pl in the husky source that I use to see what is sitting in the outbound. It is in the hpt/misc directory. It shows you what is in the outbound and how old it is. I'm not sure if that relies on flow files or if it will also display stuff in fileboxes.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Al on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 09:01:34
    On 16 Dec 2019 at 11:51p, Al pondered and said...

    I have not used fileboxes in my setup of HPT. The only filebox I have Fileboxes are not needed for sending echomail, netmail or tics.

    Yep agreed...

    I use simply "Flavour". It's possible to also use "EchomailFlavour",

    Good to know thanks :)

    I think fileboxes can also have a flavour of i, c, d, -, or h in your binkd.conf.

    Yep that's correct.

    Why are fileboxes the way to go?

    Just to separate out traffic for each node.. and perhaps take the sting out
    of having to set crash/normal/hold status per node in link config... but I guess it's got to be doe either there or in the filebox.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Al on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 09:02:29
    On 17 Dec 2019 at 12:13a, Al pondered and said...

    That might make it easier if you want to see what's up with a certain node, maybe.

    Yep I was thinking that also, I'm guessing it's probably the reason Dan may have opted for this also.

    There is a showold.pl in the husky source that I use to see what is sitting in the outbound. It is in the hpt/misc directory. It shows you what is in the outbound and how old it is. I'm not sure if that relies
    on flow files or if it will also display stuff in fileboxes.

    Hmm... OK thanks, will take a look.

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  • From Black Panther@21:1/186 to Avon on Tuesday, December 17, 2019 18:51:14
    On 18 Dec 2019, Avon said the following...

    That might make it easier if you want to see what's up with a certain node, maybe.

    Yep I was thinking that also, I'm guessing it's probably the reason Dan may have opted for this also.

    That's exactly the reason I've done that. It makes it easier to just look
    into the filebox and see what's sitting there, and how old it is. :)


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Black Panther on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 19:38:34
    On 17 Dec 2019 at 06:51p, Black Panther pondered and said...

    That's exactly the reason I've done that. It makes it easier to just look into the filebox and see what's sitting there, and how old it is. :)

    OK thanks :)

    Yeah not sure I want to do the same or not.... too many choices :)

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Avon on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 08:09:00
    out of having to set crash/normal/hold status per node in link

    Can't you set a default for all of them somewhere? Most would be crash wouldn't
    they? And then just set the ones you need to be normal in the specific configs?

    Spec


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Black Panther on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 05:56:00
    Black Panther wrote to Avon <=-

    That's exactly the reason I've done that. It makes it easier to just
    look into the filebox and see what's sitting there, and how old it is.
    :)

    I switched from Radius to BinkIT several months back, and being able to see outbound aging at a glance is the one thing I miss about Radius.


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Spectre on Thursday, December 19, 2019 09:04:58
    On 18 Dec 2019 at 08:09a, Spectre pondered and said...

    Can't you set a default for all of them somewhere? Most would be crash wouldn't they? And then just set the ones you need to be normal in the specific configs?

    Yes that's what I am thinking also...

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  • From Black Panther@21:1/186 to Avon on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 20:39:02
    On 18 Dec 2019, Avon said the following...

    That's exactly the reason I've done that. It makes it easier to just into the filebox and see what's sitting there, and how old it is. :)

    OK thanks :)

    Yeah not sure I want to do the same or not.... too many choices :)

    That's what I love about Husky. It can be as complicated or as simple as
    you'd like it to be, while still remaining so versatile. :)


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Black Panther on Thursday, December 19, 2019 19:18:25
    On 18 Dec 2019 at 08:39p, Black Panther pondered and said...

    That's what I love about Husky. It can be as complicated or as simple as you'd like it to be, while still remaining so versatile. :)

    Sounds like an advertisement for my vacuum cleaner :)

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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, December 19, 2019 17:44:43
    Re: Re: Crash etc.
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Black Panther on Wed Dec 18 2019 05:56 am

    Black Panther wrote to Avon <=-

    That's exactly the reason I've done that. It makes it easier to just look into the filebox and see what's sitting there, and how old it is. :)

    I switched from Radius to BinkIT several months back, and being able to see outbound aging at a glance is the one thing I miss about Radius.

    You want statistics about your outbound dirs? Something could likely be cooked up in JS pretty quickly.

    digital man

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  • From Black Panther@21:1/186 to Avon on Thursday, December 19, 2019 21:00:52
    On 19 Dec 2019, Avon said the following...

    That's what I love about Husky. It can be as complicated or as simple you'd like it to be, while still remaining so versatile. :)

    Sounds like an advertisement for my vacuum cleaner :)

    I gave up on vacuum cleaners. They all suck... ;)


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Digital Man on Friday, December 20, 2019 06:34:00
    Digital Man wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I switched from Radius to BinkIT several months back, and being able to see outbound aging at a glance is the one thing I miss about Radius.

    You want statistics about your outbound dirs? Something could likely be cooked up in JS pretty quickly.

    I'd love something like that. Nodes drop off and stop picking up mail, and Radius' outbound view could sort by age - giving me a quick view of who'd stopped polling.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Black Panther on Friday, December 20, 2019 06:43:00
    Black Panther wrote to Avon <=-

    Sounds like an advertisement for my vacuum cleaner :)

    I gave up on vacuum cleaners. They all suck... ;)

    Nothing Sucks like an Electrolux!


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, December 20, 2019 07:53:25
    I gave up on vacuum cleaners. They all suck... ;)
    Nothing Sucks like an Electrolux!

    Got in trouble when I started out in radio by saying very late at night that
    I was looking for a girl who could suck start a Harley.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, December 21, 2019 17:18:00
    Nothing Sucks like an Electrolux!

    Can it suck start a Harley? :P

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Phoobar on Saturday, December 21, 2019 17:22:00
    that I was looking for a girl who could suck start a Harley.

    [BSnap <chuckle)


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  • From Robert Wolfe@21:2/136 to Spectre on Saturday, December 21, 2019 09:54:10
    Nothing Sucks like an Electrolux!

    Can it suck start a Harley? :P

    Spec


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    WOW! As the owner of two GSX-Rs, I found this quite amusing :)

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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, December 21, 2019 10:59:35
    Re: Re: Crash etc.
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Digital Man on Fri Dec 20 2019 06:34 am

    Digital Man wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I switched from Radius to BinkIT several months back, and being able to see outbound aging at a glance is the one thing I miss about Radius.

    You want statistics about your outbound dirs? Something could likely be cooked up in JS pretty quickly.

    I'd love something like that. Nodes drop off and stop picking up mail, and Radius' outbound view could sort by age - giving me a quick view of who'd stopped polling.

    Okay, put it on the todo list.

    digital man

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  • From ToTAL@21:4/136 to Robert Wolfe on Saturday, December 21, 2019 18:18:45

    WOW! As the owner of two GSX-Rs, I found this quite amusing :)


    Nice to find GSX-R fellows in here, but I only have one... :S

    //ToTAL

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to ToTAL on Sunday, December 22, 2019 09:10:00
    Nice to find GSX-R fellows in here, but I only have one... :S

    Maybe Wolfie is Jake the Peg, so he needs to ride two at once.. <chuckle>

    Spec


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  • From Robert Wolfe@21:2/136 to Total on Saturday, December 21, 2019 19:12:32

    WOW! As the owner of two GSX-Rs, I found this quite amusing :)


    Nice to find GSX-R fellows in here, but I only have one... :S

    //ToTAL

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    Cool! What model and engine size do you ride? Me? I have a K3 GSX-R
    750 and a K6 GSX-R 1000.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Spectre on Saturday, December 21, 2019 19:49:42
    that I was looking for a girl who could suck start a Harley.
    [BSnap <chuckle)

    With the way they used to be (ride a mile & walk the rest)...I don't care if her 1st name is Dyson or Bissell...she ain't gonna start it. ;)

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Digital Man on Saturday, December 21, 2019 13:16:00
    Digital Man wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I'd love something like that. Nodes drop off and stop picking up mail, and Radius' outbound view could sort by age - giving me a quick view of who'd stopped polling.

    Okay, put it on the todo list.

    To clarify, did you put it on the todo list, or are you asking me to?

    And secondly, where's the todo list? :)


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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, December 22, 2019 13:05:30
    Re: Re: Crash etc.
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Digital Man on Sat Dec 21 2019 01:16 pm

    Digital Man wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I'd love something like that. Nodes drop off and stop picking up mail, and Radius' outbound view could sort by age - giving me a quick view of who'd stopped polling.

    Okay, put it on the todo list.

    To clarify, did you put it on the todo list, or are you asking me to?

    I did. I'm the only one that can.

    And secondly, where's the todo list? :)

    http://cvs.synchro.net/todolist.ssjs

    digital man

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  • From Warp 4@21:2/135 to ToTAL on Friday, January 10, 2020 23:53:04
    ToTAL wrote to Warp 4 <=-


    WOW! As the owner of two GSX-Rs, I found this quite amusing :)


    Nice to find GSX-R fellows in here, but I only have one... :S

    //ToTAL

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