Hi All,

So, just a question for all of you with NAS on your home networks. What brand do you use?

I've been looking to add one to my home network, and get rid of the external drives I've been trying to use. It will be basically for backing up all the systems, and keep copies of pictures and videos.

Right now, I'm looking at a QNAP 4bay on Amazon that I like. It's a TS-451+. I'd probably throw in 4 4GB HDDs.

Or, do you think the Synology is a better name? I've been doing some research on them, and it sounds like Synology is the better one at the moment, but
QNAP isn't far behind. Also, it looks like QNAP is updating their products a little more often.

Just looking for some input. I just hope this doesn't start a debate, like
when I asked about Linux distros... ;)

Thanks in advance for your input.


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Re: NAS
By: Black Panther to All on Tue Jul 14 2020 11:32 pm

So, just a question for all of you with NAS on your home networks. What brand do you use?

Right now, I'm looking at a QNAP 4bay on Amazon that I like. It's a TS-451+. I'd probably throw in 4 4GB HDDs.

I actually have one of these - and I added more memory to.

When I got it, I planned to run some of my docker containers on it - since it would be "always on", but I found it really didnt perform well (for running too
many containers). I did have minio running well...

I also have the 251+ (2 bay model) - which I actually use as my "movie" drive when I go camping (so it lives in the caravan), and I hook it up HDMI to the TV
in the van.

Not that happy with QNAP, they stopped supporing plex in their hybrid desktop (so the 251 no longer could run plex via HDMI - although I found somebody who put together a plex client that does work well).

And I've retired the 451, choosing instead to put the 3 drives in the server (I
run ESXI) and having a FreeNAS VM that ownes those drives and is now my main NAS. It performs way better than the QNAP did, but may have something to do with the newer drives I bought and the extra memory I have FreeNAS. I also like
FreeNAS a little better.

If you do go down the QNAP path, I did successfully install FreeNAS on the 451 (on a USB drive - so it will still boot QNAP if I pull the USB out). I plan to play do some performance testing just to see how well FreeNAS goes compared to QNAP/linux).

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Hello Black Panther!

On 14 Jul 2020, Black Panther said the following...

So, just a question for all of you with NAS on your home networks. What brand do you use?

I'm using a Synology DS218+ here with 2 drives in it.

Very nice unit (small, quiet, cool), although the concept of adding apps to
the administration GUI is a little too modern for my taste.

Like one app to be able to see HDD S.M.A.R.T. statistics, another one to perform backupsand yet another one for viewing logs. I would have expected all those "essential" apps to be preinstalled.

They also have lots of different apps for syncing/replication, snapshots, multi-site operations. I don't find it too easy to judge neither by the app's title nor its description what it does and when/why you need it.

It's also kind of stupid that you cannot assign an arbitrary action to the button on the front panel, only a few pre-selected ones. Which does not
include "run this specific backup job to a USB drive" (part of another app which you need if you want something rsync-like and not just date-stamped copies of everything every time, filling up your USB drive in no time).

Other than that, it's been running without problems for the past 2 years and
I would definitely go for a Synology again in the future unless something
very unexpected would happen.

(I read it's been superseded by the DS220+ now, which ditched the eSATA port for another GbE port, and upped the CPU, but otherwise seems identical.)

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Hi All,

So, just a question for all of you with NAS on your home networks.
What brand do you use?

[...]

Just looking for some input. I just hope this doesn't start a
debate, like when I asked about Linux distros... ;)

Get a spare older PC, with at least 8gb of ram. Chuck the drives in it.
Use a USB thumbdrive and then install Nas4free on the USB stick..

Use ZFS for the raid and you have saved yourself a bucket load of money,
plus learnt how to do it.




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So, just a question for all of you with NAS on your home networks. What brand do you use?

I basically built my own using a 4U Supermicro chassis with a (36) drive capacity and rack mounted. You can get these systems relatively cheap and they
are beasts.

In order to make them "house/wife friendly", I added a PWM fan controllers to each to keep the fans from going "airplane mode". Still good cooling without the insane fan noise.

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On 14 Jul 2020, Black Panther said the following...

So, just a question for all of you with NAS on your home networks. What brand do you use?

Or, do you think the Synology is a better name?

I currently have a Drobo 5N. If I had to buy one today it'd be a Synology.

QNAP recently had a vulnerability that opened them up to botnets &
ransomware.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/hundreds-of-thousands-of-qnap-devices-vulnerable- to-remote-takeover-attacks/

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On 14 Jul 2020, Black Panther said the following...

Hi All,

So, just a question for all of you with NAS on your home networks. What brand do you use?

I've been looking to add one to my home network, and get rid of the external drives I've been trying to use. It will be basically for
backing up all the systems, and keep copies of pictures and videos.

Right now, I'm looking at a QNAP 4bay on Amazon that I like. It's a TS-451+. I'd probably throw in 4 4GB HDDs.

Or, do you think the Synology is a better name? I've been doing some research on them, and it sounds like Synology is the better one at the moment, but QNAP isn't far behind. Also, it looks like QNAP is updating their products a little more often.

I just use a overglorified laptop as a NAS myself - Honya as I call her, running NFS for file storage and Plex for media access on the network. I'd suggest if you have the time to, use any existing hardware you have laying around and refit it for NAS use. Unless you're wanting a simple set up, I'd suggest anything other than WD. I had a used WD NAS that lasted me about 6 months before it up and died.

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Black Panther around Tuesday, July 14th...

So, just a question for all of you with NAS on your home networks. What brand do you use?

I have a custom built unRAID NAS with ~14TB on it. Been running the thing for years and years.

unRAID is slick and definitely worth looking into.

If you want a traditional NAS, look into FreeNAS.


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Re: NAS
By: Black Panther to All on Tue Jul 14 2020 11:32 pm

Hi All,

So, just a question for all of you with NAS on your home networ
What brand do you use?

I've been looking to add one to my home network, and get rid of
the external drives I've been trying to use. It will be basical
for backing up all the systems, and keep copies of pictures and
videos.

Right now, I'm looking at a QNAP 4bay on Amazon that I like. It
a TS-451+. I'd probably throw in 4 4GB HDDs.

Or, do you think the Synology is a better name? I've been doing
some research on them, and it sounds like Synology is the bette
one at the moment, but
QNAP isn't far behind. Also, it looks like QNAP is updating the
products a little more often.

Just looking for some input. I just hope this doesn't start a
debate, like
when I asked about Linux distros... ;)

Thanks in advance for your input.

I don't know about QNAP and Synology from experience, only from
what I have heard. I have heard they are both very cost effective,
but their security records are not great. If I had to build a new
NAS today I would look into a FreeNAS or NAS4Free build. There are
many DIY NAD builds online.

Right now my NAS is an old refurbished server running OpenBSD.
It is so shameful and old I don't want to disclose the specs :-)
I would not use OpenBSD as a NAS system today because there are
operating systems with better storage options out there, but I
happen to run lots of applications and services on that machine
too and OpenBSD works a bit better for me there.

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On 14 Jul 2020, Black Panther said the following...

So, just a question for all of you with NAS on your home networks. What brand do you use?

Hey Dan,
Just my $.02 here.. I personally use Sans Digital 5 bay filled with 5,
4tb drives. Works great and often forget about it and it keeps going like a tank!

I have a client that has the same thing for his Mac's. His took a dump back
in May, still not 100% sure how or why, he lost his partition. But I was able to restore 9TB of data he had put on the NAS over the past 4 years. It took 148 hours to recover but I got it to recover!

Don't know if that helps you with anything, just thought I would share an experience with a NAS that failed yet was still able to be recovered.

All else fails go with a reel to reel system! ;) LOL

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So, just a question for all of you with NAS on your home networks. What brand do you use?

I like the idea of a NAS, but I don't often actually end up near any and I'm always wanting them to do more than just NAS which kind of defeats the purpose.

Thecus is the only one I've really used, and it has its share of foibles. However it does what it should well. This thing came from a close friend who has more of a thing for NAS devices, he's also got a synology and a QNAP I think.

So far as I can see, if you want to hang it on the network like a big dumping recepticle then they will all do the job. The thing is going to be, what else might you want to do with it, and can it do the expected the way you'd like it too.

Ergo, the Thecus while functional gets a thumbs down from me for wanting to LVM its JBOD intead of using a FUSE system. Some devices will offer to work as a front end or aggregator for other NAS devices. Some will webhost all sorts of goodies. Food for thought, no real answers here :)

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All else fails go with a reel to reel system! ;) LOL

And NEVER under estitmate the bandwidth of a stationwagon full of tapes!

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On 14 Jul 2020, Black Panther said the following...

So, just a question for all of you with NAS on your home networks. What brand do you use?

Thank you all for your responses. I haven't gotten anything yet, as I've had another issue I needed to take care of...

Just as a side-note, for right now, I would stay away from the AMD Ryzen systems. I actually had to replace mine, as it was starting to freeze more often. It could run for days with no issues, and then freeze up repeatedly every 5 minutes... I know that not everyone is experiencing these issues with them, but it's enough to turn me away from them...

Thanks again for all the input. I'll be looking at doing something within the next few weeks.


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On 16 Jul 2020, Spectre said the following...

All else fails go with a reel to reel system! ;) LOL

And NEVER under estitmate the bandwidth of a stationwagon full of tapes!

LOL

Just yesterday at a clients house I was complimenting her on the big
collection of 8-track tapes her husband had laying out. She said, he listens every night.

I still miss the days of seeing the cassette tape unwound flapping across and intersection.

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On 17 Jul 2020, Black Panther said the following...

Just as a side-note, for right now, I would stay away from the AMD Ryzen systems. I actually had to replace mine, as it was starting to freeze
more often. It could run for days with no issues, and then freeze up repeatedly every 5 minutes... I know that not everyone is experiencing these issues with them, but it's enough to turn me away from them...

Your Ryzen did that as you betray AMD by working at an intel facility. LOL ;-)

Thats sucky though. Personally I have not had a single issue with any of the Ryzen cpus/generations I have put in place for my house hold systems and client systems over the past 3 years.

Was yours a thermal and/or voltage issue?

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On 17 Jul 2020, PalKat said the following...

Your Ryzen did that as you betray AMD by working at an intel facility.
LOL ;-)

Shhh. I didn't tell it that part... :)

Thats sucky though. Personally I have not had a single issue with any
of the Ryzen cpus/generations I have put in place for my house hold systems and client systems over the past 3 years.

I know it was only a small percentage that had issues. I was just lucky
enough to have gotten one...

Was yours a thermal and/or voltage issue?

I'm not sure, as I never dug that deep into it. I think it was a voltage
issue, as it seemed to happen more if the system was idling. I know the AMD chips would reduce their voltage loads when they were idle, and that seemed
to be one of the major issues people were having.

I ended up purchasing another HP tower with an Intel i7-8700, 512 GB SSD, 16
GB RAM. Since yesterday afternoon, I haven't had any issues with it. It
doesn't hurt that I can reboot the system, and have Manjaro loaded in about
15 seconds. ;)


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On 17 Jul 2020, Black Panther said the following...

I ended up purchasing another HP tower with an Intel i7-8700, 512 GB
SSD, 16 GB RAM. Since yesterday afternoon, I haven't had any issues with it. It doesn't hurt that I can reboot the system, and have Manjaro
loaded in about 15 seconds. ;)

Sweet! Gotta love the SSD speed on booting!

Your now playing for team blue while working at team blue, that should earn
you many points in the karma world! ;) I was always team red (yet I have
just as many team blue cpu's under my roof as red). Being team red myself while working at team blue from 1996-2002 caused much confusion among the
blue badges, especially when ever they would send me to the D1 development
site in Oregon. LOL

Glad you got it sorted out, in the end as long as the damn thing works and works well for the users needs is all that counts now matter the team. Sounds like your new one does!

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I still miss the days of seeing the cassette tape unwound flapping
across and intersection.

During some of those fancy free days, I can remember trying to re-spool a few... I don't recall getting anything to interesting though...

Spec


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So, just a question for all of you with NAS on your home networks. What brand do you use?

I have quite a bit of experience with Synology with work - they do a good job and I don't have any complaints except setting up recurring tasks ie an rsync did not go as smoothly as I would have liked. I have used small and large deployments.

I have also used Netgear's NAS devices and was very dissapointed (data loss, hardware failure, lack of features).

I have also played with diy NAS both at home and work. I have tried OMV, and several other custom built options.

After all of this, I am still looking for better redundancy and failover options. I am thinking of experimenting with something like CEPH on
raspberry pis for testing.

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I have a custom built unRAID NAS with ~14TB on it. Been running the
thing for years and years.

I had never run across unraid before - looks interesting... do they only have the paid options?

nristen (Karl Harris)

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PalKat wrote to Spectre <=-

Just yesterday at a clients house I was complimenting her on the big collection of 8-track tapes her husband had laying out. She said, he listens every night.

There was an old 8-track tape site on the internet back in the 2000s,
and the web site loaded a .wav file of "HiSSSSS... kthunk...
HiSSSSS"

I'd forgotten how much hiss there were on old 8-track tape players.

In college, I had a Fiat 850 Spyder. Security was NIL, you could
unroll a window by pressing really hard on it. Better that than
cutting the top, I'd say.

I found that the 8-track tape player that was in the car when I
bought it was theft-proof. Neil Diamond, Lou Rawls, Quincy Jones, old
Commodores and Seals and Crofts came with the car.

When I wanted to listen to something a little more 80s, I had a boom
box I'd put in the trunk. But I started to like Neil Diamond...

I still miss the days of seeing the cassette tape unwound flapping
across and intersection.

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PalKat wrote to Black Panther <=-

Sweet! Gotta love the SSD speed on booting!

I put a hybrid SATA drive in my son's laptop, and wanted to give it a
tuneup before the next round of remote learning in the fall. I
confirmed that he had 8 GB of RAM in the thing, check.

Bootup was slow, I've gotten used to my work laptop's SSD. (I don't
wait for my desktop to boot, it's got a SATA RAID as the boot drive.
I just log in, make a cup of coffee and come back to it.)

I was going to replace the Hybrid SATA with an SSD, but once it got
going and was hitting the cache for all of the data on the drive, it
was nice.

I've been prepping some old Lenovo Thinkpad T450s laptops at work,
and noticed that they had a 16GB m2 drive as well as a 500 GB 2.5"
SATA drive. Turns out there's an Intel driver for Windows called
Rapid Start that uses that as a big-ass cache for any drive you put
into it.

Intel doesn't have a Linux driver, but it make a nice big-ass swap
partition.



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Spectre wrote to PalKat <=-

During some of those fancy free days, I can remember trying to re-spool
a few... I don't recall getting anything to interesting though...

I had lots of cassette accidents - especially that crappy car stereo
that ate tapes.

I was (and still am) big into music. I'd listen to cassettes over and
over again, in the same order, start to finish. Tapes would stretch,
get wrinkled, and drop out - sometimes you'd hear the opposite track
backwards for a spell when it folded over on itself.

My tapes are long gone, but I've got most of the music I'd listened to
on MP3 or CD, and I'll be damned if when I listen now I don't expect
the drop outs I'd heard countless times before.

Aside: on Paul Weller's debut solo album, there's a gap between two
tracks in the middle of the CD. If you turn the silence up, you can
hear the sound of a needle hitting the parking track, hear the
resonance of someone lifting the turntable cover, removing the arm,
flipping the record over, putting the arm back on the record, and
lowering the turntable cover.

I was listening in a car, on a cassette that I'd made from the CD (no
car CD players back then) and thought I'd done a sloppy job of taping
it!



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I have also used Netgear's NAS devices and was very dissapointed (data loss, hardware failure, lack of features).

I saw a comment somewhere recently that described Netgear offerings as good for a beginner, easy enough to work with but no features....

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I had lots of cassette accidents - especially that crappy car stereo
that ate tapes.

The occasional melted down one in the glove box...

I was (and still am) big into music. I'd listen to cassettes over and
over again, in the same order, start to finish. Tapes would stretch,
get wrinkled, and drop out - sometimes you'd hear the opposite track backwards for a spell when it folded over on itself.

I don't think I ever got the flipside, but I do recall expecting some of the foibles on the tape to turn up and then them no being there on other media...

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On Saturday, July 18th nristen muttered...

I had never run across unraid before - looks interesting... do they only have the paid options?

Yes, but the prices are incredibly reasonable.


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On 18 Jul 2020, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

Aside: on Paul Weller's debut solo album, there's a gap between two
tracks in the middle of the CD. If you turn the silence up, you can
hear the sound of a needle hitting the parking track, hear the
resonance of someone lifting the turntable cover, removing the arm, flipping the record over, putting the arm back on the record, and
lowering the turntable cover.

That is the kind of stuff that is priceless now! LOL

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On 20 Jul 2020, Spectre said the following...

The occasional melted down one in the glove box...

LOL as a kid back in the 70s and early 80s we lived in Tucson and Scottsdale (in the summer both cities share in hell's climate) and I remember in my sisters car often finding warped cassette tapes that were left in the car too long. Man I almost forgot about that part of the cassette history. ;)

Funny things if they were not too warped you could still play some of them!

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