26 May 18 10:29, Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Fred Riccio:

An example of mine would be to look at ZMH a little deeper. It could
be we'd all be a bit healthier if there was more left up to the zone coordinator.

If you have a QUESTION for the candidates, please ask. The quote above only invites others to debate ZMH practices with YOU.

BTW, I could use the timeline and directions again. Sorry, lost my
mom on the 22nd and understandably kinda got off track on where we are.

Since you are the second person who has asked, here is a repost of Andrew's message that was posted here.


----- Z1E_Rules.Txt begins -----
Date: 2018-05-02 08:36:04
From: Andrew Leary of 1:320/219
To: All
Subj: IMPORTANT: Z1C Election Rules REVISED
Attr:
Conf: Z1_ELECTION

* Originally in Z1C
* Crossposted in Z1_ELECTION

Hello everybody!

=== Cut ===
02-May-2018 ZONE 1 COORDINATOR (Z1C) ELECTION RULES

============================================

RULES FOR CONDUCT OF THE Z1C ELECTION, 2018

* Schedule:

May 07 - May 20 Nominations accepted.
Discussion begins.
May 20 - Nominations END at 23:59:59 UTC.
May 21 - Final list of candidates posted in Z1_ELECTION.
Discussion continues.
May 27 - Discussion ends. Candidates stop campaigning.
May 28 - Voting begins.
Jun 10 - Voting ends at 23:59:59 UTC.
Jun 11 - Results posted in Z1_ELECTION.
Jun 11 - Jun 24 Opportunity to yell fowl and fix errors.
Jun 25 - Final results announced.
Jun 25 - Jun 28 Turnover from outgoing ZC to winning candidate.
Jun 29 - New ZC appears in the nodelist and begins work.

* Position to be Elected:

The election is for the position of Zone 1 Coordinator (Z1C). The
responsibilities of the Z1C include but are not limited to:

-- To compile the nodelists from all of the regions in the zone, and
create the master nodelist and difference file.

-- To represent Zone 1 on the Zone Coordinator Council.

-- See Policy 4 for further details.

* Voter Eligibility:

The eligible list is based on the Zone 1 segment of the FidoNet NodeList
published on Friday, May 4, 2018 (Day 124.)

Each sysop has one vote, regardless of how many nodes s/he operates.

Nodes with more than one sysop get only one vote.

Nodes marked 'Down' are not eligible to vote.

* Nominations, Candidates:

Nominations will be placed in the Z1_ELECTION echo conference. To be
a candidate, a FidoNet sysop must be a current member of Zone 1, and be
seconded by another FidoNet sysop. In addition, due to the technical
nature of the position, current or previous *C experience is required.
An individual may not nominate himself or second himself. Nominations,
seconds, and acceptances MUST be confirmed via netmail to the Enforcer at
1:128/2 BEFORE the close of the nomination period.

* Election:

At the close of balloting, the Enforcer will send all ballots to the
Verifier to verify the results, and a summary of the results will be
posted in Z1_ELECTION.

The Enforcer will not disclose any node's vote to any other node, except
for the Verifier.

In the event only there is only one candidate properly nominated
s/he will become the new Zone 1 Coordinator, effective May 25, 2018.

* Comments by the Candidates:

Comments by Z1C candidates are to be posted in Z1_ELECTION no later than
23:59:59 UTC on May 27. After that, they must STOP campaigning in
Z1_ELECTION until the voting period ends. All discussion will take place
in Z1_ELECTION.

* Who Wins?

The winner will be determined as the candidate receiving more than half
of the number of valid votes, otherwise known as an absolute majority.
In the event no candidate receives an absolute majority, the Enforcer
will schedule a run-off election between the top vote getters.

* Challenges, Election Results:

The results may be challenged by sending netmail to the Enforcer at
1:128/2. It must be received before 23:59:59 UTC on Jun 24, 2018. No
complaints or contested votes will be considered if received late.

The Enforcer has the final say in all matters relating to the election,
including the eligibility of candidates and/or voters.

If the election is declared invalid, a new election shall begin as
soon as possible, within 14 days of the previous election being declared
invalid.

* How to SEND your vote:

ALL BALLOTS MUST BE NETMAIL ADDRESSED TO 'Enforcer' at 1:128/2.

You can route your ballot if you choose, but if you value your privacy
and want to ensure arrival, you should send it directly to 1:128/2.
Return receipts will be sent via direct or routed netmail. Those return
receipts will contain NO information except that a vote was received from
your node.

* HOW TO VOTE:

- Write a a NETMail message addressed to 'Enforcer' at 1:128/2.

- Subject line doesn't matter.

- Write the name of the valid candidate you want to vote for in the body
of the message. A final list of valid candidates will be posted on
May 21 in Z1_ELECTION. Write-in candidates are not allowed.

- Make up a password of ten (10) characters or less, and put that in the
body of the message too.

NOTE: Your password will be displayed (case insensitive) with your
choice in Z1_ELECTION so you can know that your ballot was counted
correctly.
In addition, votes received that do not meet ALL of the above conditions
will not be counted until corrected by the voter.

* SAMPLE BALLOT:

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
| Date: May 28 2018 11:09 |
| From: Joe Sysop, 1:320/999 |
| To: Enforcer, 1:128/2 |
| Subj: My vote |
| -------------------------------------------- |
| <Candidate's Name> |
| |
| My password is Hoochie |
| |
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

When your vote is received, it will NOT be machine-processed. Don't poll
to pick up a receipt. The Enforcer will send a direct or routed netmail
receipt to you confirming that he received a ballot but there will be no
other information in the receipt.

To ensure that your vote was counted properly, you may check the periodic
posting of passwords/candidates in Z1_ELECTION.

Thank you to Phil Kimble (1:128/2) for agreeing to serve as the Enforcer,
and Fred Riccio (1:132/174) for agreeing to serve as the Verifier.

* That's it. Enjoy the election!
=== Cut ===

The RCs have made a few minor changes to clarify things and ensure that the election runs smoothly. As of now, the election is in the hands of the Enforcer, Phil Kimble of 1:128/2. Please contact him with any questions.

Regards,

Andrew

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Re: Z1C Election
By: Fred Riccio to Carol Shenkenberger on Sat May 26 2018 11:00 am

An example of mine would be to look at ZMH a little deeper. It
could be we'd all be a bit healthier if there was more left up to
the zone coordinator.

If you have a QUESTION for the candidates, please ask. The quote above only invites others to debate ZMH practices with YOU.

Ok, lets turn it around. Candidates, I gave a sample. What might you think deserves at least a look at? Not saying you'd change it, but look at it?

xxcarol

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On 26 May 18 21:37:11, Carol Shenkenberger said the following to Fred Riccio:

An example of mine would be to look at ZMH a little deeper. It
could be we'd all be a bit healthier if there was more left up to
the zone coordinator.

If you have a QUESTION for the candidates, please ask. The quote above only invites others to debate ZMH practices with YOU.

Ok, lets turn it around. Candidates, I gave a sample. What might you thin deserves at least a look at? Not saying you'd change it, but look at it?

A few sections I would suggest to be revised to reflect the current state
of the network or to clarify things further. Nothing earth-shattering.

As an example... the case studies, that are provided to clarify or demonstrate the policies in action.

10.3.6 "The case of the Sysop Twit". Well... if someone is a twit, sure they should stick to Twitter. But why stop a twit from applying? The example doesn't give specifics on the behavior that lead up to the denial. If perhaps it was elaborated on as to why he was denied, it would make it clearer.

10.3.5 "The Mark of the Devil" needs clarification since there is a difference between having obscene material on a BBS versus transmitting that via Fidonet and the way that example is worded, I believe is left to interpretation. Why such a system is deemed "exceptionally annoying" is not made clear.

It may seem silly or common-sense obvious, but, in 1994 IIRC, Net 252 in Region 12 had an NC, John Beverage, who cited Policy4 like the bible. He outright denied the application of a popular BBS that had satanic content, just because it had satanic content and for no other reason. Very illogical.

Nick

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Got it. Discussing it with the election committee, we are going to
hold those unlisted votes until the end. If the results are close,
then we will review the daily nodelist for 4 May 2018 to determine if
the votes are counted. Its the only fair path forward without
creating additional drama.

Node 1:267/152 went from down to back online. The down status
should
have be removed on the May forth node list. Janis can verify that I
had
to resend the regional segement. If he votes let me know and I can
send
you the messages be Janis and myself. I saved the segment submitted
the Tuesday prior to the May forth node list. Not sure if Antonio is
going to vote or not.

The node is indeed listed in the 4 May nodelist. Down is an unofficial status that I have been known to use as I do a lot of travel. I have earmarked the node number.

Thanks for the update.

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Phil

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Hello Dallas,

31 May 18 00:24 at you wrote to Ben Ritchey:

I have not received a reply as yet, but it's long way to Vancouver!
:-)

Make sure that the reply wasn't returned due to insuffecient voltage.

Later,
Sean

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Got it. Discussing it with the election committee, we are going to
hold those unlisted votes until the end. If the results are close,
then we will review the daily nodelist for 4 May 2018 to determine if
the votes are counted. Its the only fair path forward without
creating additional drama.

Node 1:267/152 went from down to back online. The down status should
have be removed on the May forth node list. Janis can verify that I had
to resend the regional segement. If he votes let me know and I can send
you the messages be Janis and myself. I saved the segment submitted
the Tuesday prior to the May forth node list. Not sure if Antonio is
going to vote or not.

--- QScan/PCB v1.20a / 01-0462
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Got it. Discussing it with the election committee, we are going to
hold those unlisted votes until the end. If the results are close,
then we will review the daily nodelist for 4 May 2018 to determine if
the votes are counted. Its the only fair path forward without
creating additional drama.

Node 1:267/152 went from down to back online. The down status should
have be removed on the May forth node list. Janis can verify that I had
to resend the regional segement.

Yes, this is exactly right.

Take care,
Janis

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HI Everypone,

No, I am not awol, just crazy busy this week & not 100% health. Its crazy what GroundHog's Day effect will do to a person.

To date, we have received a total of 16 votes. Once Mr Riccio verifies all votes, I will release a current status. ALl netmails have been replied to with Mr Riccio CC'd for verification. I was hoping to see more votes but we have time.

Please review the Election rules. 2 votes are under review as they are not listed in the 4 May FidoNet nodelist. It could be that I overlooked them but have double checked & pending verification.

As per the election rules established at the beginning of the election process,
this is the official nodelist to be used as verification. Any vote received that is NOT in the 4 May official weekly nodelist, not the daily, but the "official" nodelist, will not be counted.

Thank you,
Phil

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On 05/30/18, Phil Kimble said the following...

To date, we have received a total of 16 votes. Once Mr Riccio verifies all votes, I will release a current status. ALl netmails have been
replied to with Mr Riccio CC'd for verification. I was hoping to see
more votes but we have time.

Replied to? I haven't received a reply. Has anyone else?

Phil, can you confirm you received my vote?

Ian

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A38 2018/01/01 (Linux/32)
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* An ongoing debate between Ian McLaughlin and Phil Kimble rages on ...

verifies all votes, I will release a current status. ALl netmails
have been replied to with Mr Riccio CC'd for verification. I was

Replied to? I haven't received a reply. Has anyone else?

Yes, I got mine today {chuckle}


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Hey Ian!

Replied to? I haven't received a reply. Has anyone else?

I just got a routed netmail confirmation with an FTN DateTime stamp of "30 May 18 23:13:00", which was just under two hours ago (adjusted for timezone difference etc.) It claims "Counted". :-)

Life is good,
Maurice

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Hi Ben -- on May 31 2018 at 01:56, you wrote:

verifies all votes, I will release a current status. ALl netmails
have been replied to with Mr Riccio CC'd for verification. I was

Replied to? I haven't received a reply. Has anyone else?

Yes, I got mine today {chuckle}

I have not received a reply as yet, but it's long way to Vancouver! :-)



Cheers... Dallas

--- timEd/NT 1.30+
* Origin: The BandMaster, Vancouver, CANADA (1:153/7715)

On 2018 May 30 23:47:42, you wrote to All:

To date, we have received a total of 16 votes. Once Mr Riccio verifies

all

votes, I will release a current status. ALl netmails have been replied to with Mr Riccio CC'd for verification. I was hoping to see more votes but

we

have time.

were those replies sent direct or crash or were they sent routed??? direct would be the best for security...

Please review the Election rules. 2 votes are under review as they are
not listed in the 4 May FidoNet nodelist. It could be that I
overlooked them but have double checked & pending verification.

As per the election rules established at the beginning of the election process, this is the official nodelist to be used as verification. Any vote received that is NOT in the 4 May official weekly nodelist, not
the daily, but the "official" nodelist, will not be counted.

that could be a problem... we know there's been a problem with the weekly nodelist dropping entries that are/were in the daily nodelist... i would suggest to use both to ensure that someone that is rightly and properly listed is counted and not skipped because of an error...

)\/(ark

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Hello Dallas!

31 May 18 00:24, you wrote to Ben Ritchey:

I have not received a reply as yet, but it's long way to Vancouver!

Mine was counted. So I can go back to lurking now. ;)

Shawn


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On 2018 May 30 23:47:42, you wrote to All:

To date, we have received a total of 16 votes. Once Mr Riccio
verifies all votes, I will release a current status. ALl netmails have
been replied to with Mr Riccio CC'd for verification. I was hoping to
see more votes but we have time.

were those replies sent direct or crash or were they sent routed??? direct would be the best for security...

They should have been direct crash but probably routed as I only had 1 eye open
this morning.

Please review the Election rules. 2 votes are under review as they
are not listed in the 4 May FidoNet nodelist. It could be that I
overlooked them but have double checked & pending verification.

As per the election rules established at the beginning of the
election process, this is the official nodelist to be used as
verification. Any vote received that is NOT in the 4 May official
weekly nodelist, not the daily, but the "official" nodelist, will not
be counted.

that could be a problem... we know there's been a problem with the
weekly nodelist dropping entries that are/were in the daily
nodelist... i would suggest to use both to ensure that someone that
is rightly and properly listed is counted and not skipped because of
an error...
)\/(ark

I fully understand what you are saying & am debating it. However, is it not the
RC's job to ensure the nodelist is accurate & current for thier Region, same as
for NCs? If they are unable to perform that function for a Region, how will they perform at the Zone level?

But then again, I dont receive a daily nodelist, P4 doesnt recognize it as an "official" nodelist, or even a nodelist at all. And the election rules clearly states which nodelist to use. It is kinda late in the game to be discussing technical issues about an unofficial nodelist.

But, it is in debate & being re-considered.

BTW: Can anyone explain why I received a netmail from the Z2C on this very topic when this is a "Zone 1" election?


Phil

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Hi Mark!

To date, we have received a total of 16 votes. Once Mr Riccio verifies

all

votes, I will release a current status. ALl netmails have been replied to
with Mr Riccio CC'd for verification. I was hoping to see more votes but

we

have time.

were those replies sent direct or crash or were they sent routed??? direct would be the best for security...

Please review the Election rules. 2 votes are under review as they are
not listed in the 4 May FidoNet nodelist. It could be that I
overlooked them but have double checked & pending verification.

As per the election rules established at the beginning of the election
process, this is the official nodelist to be used as verification. Any
vote received that is NOT in the 4 May official weekly nodelist, not
the daily, but the "official" nodelist, will not be counted.

that could be a problem... we know there's been a problem with the weekly nodelist dropping entries that are/were in the daily nodelist... i would
suggest to use both to ensure that someone that is rightly and properly listed
is counted and not skipped because of an error...

I don't really see the problem here, since we have period in the schedule to address this:

-snip-
[...]
Jun 11 - Jun 24 Opportunity to yell fowl and fix errors.
[...]

Works? :)

Take care,
Janis

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On 2018 May 31 06:52:24, you wrote to me:

I fully understand what you are saying & am debating it. However, is it

not

the RC's job to ensure the nodelist is accurate & current for thier

Region,

same as for NCs? If they are unable to perform that function for a

Region,

how will they perform at the Zone level?

that's not the problem... there's something weird that's been going on with generating at the zone level... the tool selects older weekly segments instead of the most recent which should be a daily segment... those of us (TINU) monitoring the nodelist have seen this for a while... i'm not sure how to handle it or recommend handlling it... i switched to generating only dailies and would simply use the daily generated for friday as friday's weekly and be done with it...

BTW: Can anyone explain why I received a netmail from the Z2C on this
very topic when this is a "Zone 1" election?

because obvious dick is being a nosey dick...

/EoT

)\/(ark

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On 2018 May 31 06:52:24, you wrote to me:

I fully understand what you are saying & am debating it. However, is
it not the RC's job to ensure the nodelist is accurate & current for
thier Region, same as for NCs? If they are unable to perform that
function for a Region, how will they perform at the Zone level?

that's not the problem... there's something weird that's been going
on with generating at the zone level... the tool selects older weekly segments instead of the most recent which should be a daily
segment... those of us (TINU) monitoring the nodelist have seen this
for a while... i'm not sure how to handle it or recommend handlling
it... i switched to generating only dailies and would simply use the daily generated for friday as friday's weekly and be done with it...

Got it. Discussing it with the election committee, we are going to hold those unlisted votes until the end. If the results are close, then we will review the
daily nodelist for 4 May 2018 to determine if the votes are counted. Its the only fair path forward without creating additional drama.

BTW: Can anyone explain why I received a netmail from the Z2C on this
very topic when this is a "Zone 1" election?

because obvious dick is being a nosey dick...

/EoT
)\/(ark
Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
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... Never mistake motion for action!
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Thx
Phil

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Hello Dallas,

Replied to? I haven't received a reply. Has anyone else?

Yes, I got mine today {chuckle}

I have not received a reply as yet, but it's long way to Vancouver! :-)

I cast my vote yesterday. Got a confirmation netmail reply today that it was counted.


Jeff

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On 05/30/18, Maurice Kinal said the following...

Percentage-wise Net153 appears to have done it's part in all aspects of this election.

How many of us are there (active) in Net153?

Can't comment without a shout-out to Net353 (RIP) Sniff...

Ian

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Hi Ian -- on May 30 2018 at 12:46, you wrote:

How many of us are there (active) in Net153?

9 including me.


Cheers... Dallas

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Hey Ian!

How many of us are there (active) in Net153?

By my count there are four of us.

Can't comment without a shout-out to Net353 (RIP) Sniff...

Understood.

Life is good,
Maurice

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Re: Z1C Election
By: Maurice Kinal to Ian McLaughlin on Wed May 30 2018 08:51 pm

How many of us are there (active) in Net153?

By my count there are four of us.

Four active posters to the net, and the usual assortment of lurkers.. :)

Ttyl :-),
Al


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Hey Alan!

and the usual assortment of lurkers..

That would give us a 54% silent majority within the net, if indeed my count of "active" is accurate. I am only counting the ones that have posted during the election and have yet to see any confirmation of my vote, nevermind anyone else
in net153. I definetly voted. Hopefully it counts.

Life is good,
Maurice

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On 30 May 18 14:07:44, Alan Ianson said the following to Maurice Kinal:

Re: Z1C Election
By: Maurice Kinal to Ian McLaughlin on Wed May 30 2018 08:51 pm

How many of us are there (active) in Net153?

By my count there are four of us.

Four active posters to the net, and the usual assortment of lurkers.. :)

Many lurkers in Net 229 and 249... probably most of zone 1. 8-)

Nick

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On 30 May 18 21:27:52, Maurice Kinal said the following to Alan Ianson:

and the usual assortment of lurkers..

That would give us a 54% silent majority within the net, if indeed my count "active" is accurate. I am only counting the ones that have posted during election and have yet to see any confirmation of my vote, nevermind anyone else in net153. I definetly voted. Hopefully it counts.

I guess we can only wait for Phil to acknowledge votes and post results.

I have already Netmailed him... politely.

Nick

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Hey Nick!

I have already Netmailed him... politely.

:-) Thank you.

Life is good,
Maurice

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On 05/29/18, Dallas Hinton said the following...

In order to preserve privacy, it's possible he's waiting until he has a few to list rather than just one or two?

Anybody have any guesses on what percentage turnout we're going to have?

Ian

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Hi Ian -- on May 29 2018 at 21:45, you wrote:

Anybody have any guesses on what percentage turnout we're going to
have?

There's no precedent for a system-wide vote, so I can't begin to guess. I sure hope it's a good response!


Cheers... Dallas

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Re: Z1C Election
By: Dallas Hinton to Alan Ianson on Tue May 29 2018 04:25 pm

In order to preserve privacy, it's possible he's waiting until he has a few to list rather than just one or two?

That's quite possible. There are still 10 or so voting days left.. so no hurry.

Ttyl :-),
Al


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Re: Re: Z1C Election
By: Ian McLaughlin to Dallas Hinton on Tue May 29 2018 09:45 pm

Anybody have any guesses on what percentage turnout we're going to have?

Dale Barnes recently did a survey of fido software and got 67 (I think) submissions. That was world wide, open to anyone.

I couldn't even guess how many sysops will turn out for this vote but would 30 be hoping for too much? We'll see.. :)

Ttyl :-),
Al


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On 29 May 18 21:45:03, Ian Mclaughlin said the following to Dallas Hinton:

On 05/29/18, Dallas Hinton said the following...

In order to preserve privacy, it's possible he's waiting until he has few to list rather than just one or two?

Anybody have any guesses on what percentage turnout we're going to have?

For all of the zone, or just the Sysops that are connected here?

We only have a couple hundred listed Sysops in this zone, of which I'm guessing around half are really "active", and even a small percentage of that half would participate in this vote... unfortunately.

When the first round of test-messages and nominations were made here around the end of April, I believe it was under 20 unique individuals posting.

Nick

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Hey Alan!

I couldn't even guess how many sysops will turn out for this vote
but would 30 be hoping for too much? We'll see.. :)

Percentage-wise Net153 appears to have done it's part in all aspects of this election.

Life is good,
Maurice

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[...]

If I'm not mistaken you'll get a note back stating your vote has been counted in a day or two. I think you'll also see a tally in here with passwords..

I haven't received one.


Regards,

Roger

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Re: Re: Z1C Election
By: Roger Nelson to Alan Ianson on Tue May 29 2018 11:16 am

If I'm not mistaken you'll get a note back stating your vote has
been counted in a day or two. I think you'll also see a tally in
here with passwords..

I haven't received one.

I haven't either as yet but I'm sure we'll be hearing soon.. :)

Ttyl :-),
Al


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Hi Alan -- on May 29 2018 at 13:44, you wrote:

I haven't either as yet but I'm sure we'll be hearing soon.. :)

In order to preserve privacy, it's possible he's waiting until he has a few to list rather than just one or two?


Cheers... Dallas

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Re: Re: Z1C Election
By: Ian McLaughlin to Alan Ianson on Mon May 28 2018 07:43 pm

Probably not in here no but FIDOPOLS would be OK. I'm just waiting
for Phil to let us know he is ready and I will send my vote in.

I already sent my vote in, as per the published calendar. I hope it gets counted.

If I'm not mistaken you'll get a note back stating your vote has been counted in a day or two. I think you'll also see a tally in here with passwords..

Ttyl :-),
Al


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Re: Z1C Election
By: Alan Ianson to Carol Shenkenberger on Sun May 27 2018 03:17 pm

If we were able to present a workable change to policy to present to the RCs and ZCs of fidonet they might just go ahead and change policy to reflect the current Fidonet.

Wouldn't that be "something"? :)

Lol it would! That isnt why I asked though. I wanted the mindset they had on it. Now however, we are in voting days and i suspect 'chat' is not allowed now.

xxcarol
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Re: Z1C Election
By: Carol Shenkenberger to Alan Ianson on Mon May 28 2018 12:28 pm

Lol it would! That isnt why I asked though. I wanted the mindset they had on it. Now however, we are in voting days and i suspect 'chat' is not allowed now.

Probably not in here no but FIDOPOLS would be OK. I'm just waiting for Phil to let us know he is ready and I will send my vote in.

Ttyl :-),
Al


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Hi Alan,

[...] I'm just waiting for Phil to
let us know he is ready and I will send my vote in.

I expect Phil knows we're starting :)

Take care,
Janis

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Re: Z1C Election
By: Janis Kracht to Alan Ianson on Mon May 28 2018 03:32 pm

I expect Phil knows we're starting :)

I hope so, I just sent my vote over his way.. :)

Ttyl :-),
Al


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On 2018 May 28 12:05:46, you wrote to Carol Shenkenberger:

I'm just waiting for Phil to let us know he is ready and I will send
my vote in.

he should be ready now... the schedule states that voting starts on the 28th and it has been the 28th all day today... the voting period continues till June
10th... i'm assuming midnight of the 10th... not sure what time zone, though...
i would guess UTC but UTC is only mentioned in the Challenge period section... no other section mentions a time zone...

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On 05/28/18, Alan Ianson said the following...

Probably not in here no but FIDOPOLS would be OK. I'm just waiting for Phil to let us know he is ready and I will send my vote in.

I already sent my vote in, as per the published calendar. I hope it gets counted.

Ian

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Re: Re: Z1C Election
By: Nick Andre to Carol Shenkenberger on Sat May 26 2018 11:26 pm

Ok, lets turn it around. Candidates, I gave a sample. What might
you thin deserves at least a look at? Not saying you'd change it,
but look at it?

A few sections I would suggest to be revised to reflect the current state

of the network or to clarify things further. Nothing earth-shattering.

As an example... the case studies, that are provided to clarify or demonstrate the policies in action.

....

Interesting! Yes, they can be unclear. I recall one that people objected to in R10. They had a very contrived name that when abbreviated was 'TITS'. There was a brohuha when they wanted to use the signiture 'Come see TITS at ...'. They went away pretty fast (or changed names) after being banned by most moderators. It happened after P4 but may have gotten a mention if it had happened before then.

Carol

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Re: Z1C Election
By: Dallas Hinton to Nick Andre on Sun May 27 2018 01:23 am

Ok, lets turn it around. Candidates, I gave a sample. What might
you

thin

deserves at least a look at? Not saying you'd change it, but look
at it?

A few sections I would suggest to be revised to reflect the current
state of the network or to clarify things further. Nothing
earth-shattering.

I agree, Nick -- and perhaps we could look at providing an alternative to an IC, such as adding to the word "IC", the phrase "or a majority of the ZCC". This would seem logical since a majority of the ZCC can overule any IC decision anyway. By passing this modification we could then move forward without all the twaddle about "we can't do that because we don't have an IC to say so". :-)

I like that too! Operationally we've been working that way for a very long time. It would be nice if P4 reflected current reality without removing the ability to have an IC should a need or desire arise in the future.

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Re: Z1C Election
By: Carol Shenkenberger to Dallas Hinton on Sun May 27 2018 05:11 pm

I like that too! Operationally we've been working that way for a very long time. It would be nice if P4 reflected current reality without removing the ability to have an IC should a need or desire arise in the future.

There is the FIDOPOLS echo. IIRC that is where discussion of policy has taken place in the past. I have it here but it's currently empty.

If we were able to present a workable change to policy to present to the RCs and ZCs of fidonet they might just go ahead and change policy to reflect the current Fidonet.

Wouldn't that be "something"? :)

Ttyl :-),
Al


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Hi Nick -- on May 26 2018 at 23:26, you wrote:

Ok, lets turn it around. Candidates, I gave a sample. What might you thin
deserves at least a look at? Not saying you'd change it, but look at it?

A few sections I would suggest to be revised to reflect the current
state of the network or to clarify things further. Nothing earth-shattering.

I agree, Nick -- and perhaps we could look at providing an alternative to an IC, such as adding to the word "IC", the phrase "or a majority of the ZCC". This would seem logical since a majority of the ZCC can overule any IC decision
anyway. By passing this modification we could then move forward without all the
twaddle about "we can't do that because we don't have an IC to say so". :-)


Cheers... Dallas

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