i didn't know local router addresses could be used for remote use such as 192.168.0.* and 10.0.0.* my cable providertold me they were privatefir accessing the router only.
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Re: local router addresses
By: The Millionaire to All on Tue Jul 09 2019 06:18 am

i didn't know local router addresses could be used for remote use such as 192.168.0.* and 10.0.0.* my cable providertold me they were privatefir accessing the router only.

192.168.0.0/16 and 10.0.0.0/8 are private LAN IP ranges. They are not routable over the internet.

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Hello The,

i didn't know local router addresses could be used for remote use such
as 192.168.0.* and 10.0.0.* my cable providertold me they were
privatefir accessing the router only.

You and anyone else on your local area network can use those addresses within your lan. It won't work for others on the net to reach your services.

Ttyl :-),
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Re: local router addresses
By: The Millionaire to All on Tue Jul 09 2019 06:18 am

i didn't know local router addresses could be used for remote use such as 192.168.0.* and 10.0.0.* my cable providertold me they were privatefir accessing the router only.

Yes, normally those addresses are private addresses within your home network. If you're outside your home network and try to go to a 192.168.0.* address, it will try to use the local network you're on, which is not your home network. Those addresses wouldn't work for you outside your home network.. So I don't know what instances you're seeing those addresses work for remote use?

Nightfox

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Re: local router addresses
By: The Millionaire to All on Tue Jul 09 2019 06:18 am

i didn't know local router addresses could be used for remote use such as

192.168.0.* and 10.0.0.* my cable providertold me they

were privatefir accessing the router only.

You can't, directly, they're called non-routeable addresses. Generally from at
home you'd have your private (non-routable) network that all your gear sits on,
and then your ISP gateway device, which has the public (routable) IP on it, and
it can forward packets inbound to various devices on your internal network (the
gateway device sits on both networks).

So, you configure your gateway device to take all incoming connections on the public side on port 12345 (as an example) and hand them off to the device at 192.168.0.14 port 22. The gateway device has to do network address translation
(NAT) to manage all the packets on this connection so that this actually works.

Even without this example inbound access, if that gateway/router device didn't perform it's NAT magic, your systems on your internal private network wouldn't be able to reach any systems on the public internet. Once a packet with a non-routeable source address was pushed to the next hop past your router, it would (or should) be dropped as routers elsewhere aren't going to know how to route back to your non-routeable IP space. So, your gateway device handles that situation for you all the time. (I'm using the term 'gateway' and 'router' interchangeably)

I hope that helps a bit.

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On 2019 Jul 09 11:47:08, you wrote to The Millionaire:

i didn't know local router addresses could be used for remote use
such as 192.168.0.* and 10.0.0.* my cable providertold me they were
privatefir accessing the router only.

192.168.0.0/16 and 10.0.0.0/8 are private LAN IP ranges. They are not routable over the internet.

and 172.16.0.0/12, too... but they are being used by ISPs as well... they're not doing CGNAT but they are using RFC1918 NAT on their internal network their customers are connected to... yeah, none of them have a public IP which gives the ISP a chance to charge BS $$$ for a public IP out of their block... ISPs using RFC1918 addressed can also cause some grief and pain when their network collides with a private one of their customers'... kinda hard to NAT 192.168.55.* to 192.168.55.* on both sides of the router/firewall box...

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Re: local router addresses
By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Tue Jul 09 2019 10:16 am

Re: local router addresses
By: The Millionaire to All on Tue Jul 09 2019 06:18 am

i didn't know local router addresses could be used for remote use such as 192.168.0.* and 10.0.0.* my cable providertold me they were privatefir accessing the router only.

Yes, normally those addresses are private addresses within your home network. If you're outside your home network and try to go to a 192.168.0.* address, it will try to use the local network you're on, which is not your home network. Those addresses wouldn't work for you outside your home network.. So I don't know what instances you're seeing those addresses work for remote use?

Nightfox

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Re: local router addresses
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Tue Jul 09 2019 13:22:37

outside your home network.. So I don't know what instances you're
seeing those addresses work for remote use?

on vertrauen's logoff screen.

Do you mean the "try one of these systems" listing of other BBSs? I see a couple of examples:

Temple BBS 192.168.1.237
Le Relais 192.168.0.114

I imagine this is just down to a couple of messed-up entries in the Synchronet BBS List (where I presume these are being pulled from). You would not be able to connect to those systems at those addresses.

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Re: local router addresses
By: echicken to The Millionaire on Tue Jul 09 2019 04:36 pm

Re: local router addresses
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Tue Jul 09 2019 13:22:37

outside your home network.. So I don't know what instances you're
seeing those addresses work for remote use?

on vertrauen's logoff screen.

Do you mean the "try one of these systems" listing of other BBSs? I see a couple of examples:

Temple BBS 192.168.1.237
Le Relais 192.168.0.114

I imagine this is just down to a couple of messed-up entries in the Synchronet BBS List (where I presume these are being pulled from). You would not be able to connect to those systems at those addresses.

that's what i assumed.
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On 07-09-19 10:16, Nightfox wrote to The Millionaire <=-

Yes, normally those addresses are private addresses within your home network. If you're outside your home network and try to go to a 192.168.0.* address, it will try to use the local network you're on,
which is not your home network. Those addresses wouldn't work for you outside your home network.. So I don't know what instances you're
seeing those addresses work for remote use?

I have seen 10.x addresses in provider networks in response to a traceroute. When they occur, they are always within a couple of hops of the customer endpoint.


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On 07-09-19 16:36, echicken wrote to The Millionaire <=-

Re: local router addresses
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Tue Jul 09 2019 13:22:37

outside your home network.. So I don't know what instances you're
seeing those addresses work for remote use?

on vertrauen's logoff screen.

Do you mean the "try one of these systems" listing of other BBSs? I
see a couple of examples:

Temple BBS 192.168.1.237
Le Relais 192.168.0.114

I imagine this is just down to a couple of messed-up entries in the Synchronet BBS List (where I presume these are being pulled from). You would not be able to connect to those systems at those addresses.

Yeah, this is just bad data in the BBS list.


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On 2019 Jul 09 13:22:36, you wrote to Nightfox:

i didn't know local router addresses could be used for remote use
such as 192.168.0.* and 10.0.0.* my cable providertold me they were
privatefir accessing the router only.

Yes, normally those addresses are private addresses within your home
network. If you're outside your home network and try to go to a
192.168.0.* address, it will try to use the local network you're on,
which is not your home network. Those addresses wouldn't work for you
outside your home network.. So I don't know what instances you're
seeing those addresses work for remote use?

on vertrauen's logoff screen.

that's weird... i just tried to logon over there but wasn't able to get past the screen after the synchronet logo... lots of garbage characters and then an apparent hang... that was on node 1, IIRC... certainly one of the windows nodes... no idea what's happening there with that...

[time passes]

so i logged onto my system, which is running the latest code, and i saw similar
garbage characters but i was able to get on into the board and read mail just fine... that's really weird, to be sure...

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I have seen 10.x addresses in provider networks in response to a traceroute. When they occur, they are always within a couple of hops of the customer endpoint.

This is pretty common in MPLS networks and with BGP.

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Re: local router addresses
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Tue Jul 09 2019 01:22 pm

192.168.0.* address, it will try to use the local network you're on,
which is not your home network. Those addresses wouldn't work for you
outside your home network.. So I don't know what instances you're
seeing those addresses work for remote use?

on vertrauen's logoff screen.

I don't remember ever seeing addresses like that on Vertrauen's logoff screen. I usually use the quick logoff though (with /o). Can you provide an example (copy & paste) of what you're seeing?

Nightfox

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Re: Re: local router addresses
By: Tony Langdon to Nightfox on Wed Jul 10 2019 08:19 am

I have seen 10.x addresses in provider networks in response to a traceroute. When they occur, they are always within a couple of hops of the customer endpoint.

Ah, interesting..

Nightfox

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On 07-09-19 19:03, Netsurge wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

I have seen 10.x addresses in provider networks in response to a traceroute. When they occur, they are always within a couple of hops of the customer endpoint.

This is pretty common in MPLS networks and with BGP.

Yeah, it looked like common practice, seen it with multiple ISPs, and not dodgy backyard ones either.


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Re: local router addresses
By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Tue Jul 09 2019 06:39 pm

Re: local router addresses
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Tue Jul 09 2019 01:22 pm

192.168.0.* address, it will try to use the local network you're on,
which is not your home network. Those addresses wouldn't work for you
outside your home network.. So I don't know what instances you're
seeing those addresses work for remote use?

on vertrauen's logoff screen.

I don't remember ever seeing addresses like that on Vertrauen's logoff screen. I usually use the quick logoff though (with /o). Can you provide an example (copy & paste) of what you're seeing?

Nightfox

on the ipad it's harder than on a pc to copy and paste on a bbs.
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Netsurge wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

I have seen 10.x addresses in provider networks in response to a traceroute. When they occur, they are always within a couple of hops of the customer endpoint.

This is pretty common in MPLS networks and with BGP.

It always makes it fun when companies acquire other companies and the
IP ranges conflict. The company I worked for many years back was
acquired by another company that just decided to route all 10/8
traffic to "their" network, requiring that anyone they acquired on the
10/8 network already to renumber. Lazy.



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It always makes it fun when companies acquire other companies and the
IP ranges conflict. The company I worked for many years back was
acquired by another company that just decided to route all 10/8
traffic to "their" network, requiring that anyone they acquired on the 10/8 network already to renumber. Lazy.

We switched MPLS providers some years back and they did the same thing, IP'd their routers in the same 10.x subnet that we used at one of our locations.

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Subject: Re: local router addresses
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The Millionaire wrote to Nightfox <=-

I don't remember ever seeing addresses like that on Vertrauen's logoff screen. I usually use the quick logoff though (with /o). Can you provide an example (copy & paste) of what you're seeing?

on the ipad it's harder than on a pc to copy and paste on a bbs.

It's hard to do *anything* on an iPad...

Have you ever thought about expanding your horizons? Perhaps
acquiring an actual "PC"?


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Re: Re: local router addresses
By: Dan Clough to The Millionaire on Wed Jul 10 2019 09:06:00

Have you ever thought about expanding your horizons? Perhaps
acquiring an actual "PC"?

I think he's said that he plans to do so in the fall. There was another thread about running Synchronet on a Surface Pro which probably suggests which way he's thinking of going.

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Re: Re: local router addresses
By: Dan Clough to The Millionaire on Wed Jul 10 2019 09:06 am

Subject: Re: local router addresses
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The Millionaire wrote to Nightfox <=-

I don't remember ever seeing addresses like that on Vertrauen's logoff screen. I usually use the quick logoff though (with /o). Can you provide an example (copy & paste) of what you're seeing?

on the ipad it's harder than on a pc to copy and paste on a bbs.

It's hard to do *anything* on an iPad...

Have you ever thought about expanding your horizons? Perhaps
acquiring an actual "PC"?

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i'm working towards a microsoft surface pro in the fall.
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On 2019 Jul 10 06:13:08, you wrote to Nightfox:

on the ipad it's harder than on a pc to copy and paste on a bbs.

having a tablet, here, i can agree with that... it is, however,easy enough to tke a picture, post it somewhere on the web, and then provide a link here so those interested can go look at it ;)

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On 07-10-19 09:06, Dan Clough wrote to The Millionaire <=-

It's hard to do *anything* on an iPad...

Have you ever thought about expanding your horizons? Perhaps
acquiring an actual "PC"?

Cheap netbooks do really well on BBSs. My travel machine is an old netbook running Lubuntu. I have SyncTerm and Multimail on it for BBSing. I also have ZeroTier, which gives me more options for accessing my systems.


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