For the life of me I cannot figure this out. I've searched every document, checked every config file. Either its blatantly obvious and I'm just missing it or ???

Sending Netmail to a user on fsxNet -- expect that Netmail will go to my Hub (21:ALL is routed to the fsxNet HUB), but it keeps trying to send directly (and failing). I've checked, double-checked and triple-checked that there is no direct setting whatsoever set for Netmail or the destination address or anything.

Ideas where to search next?

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Re: Netmail trying to talk DIRECTLY to destination
By: Dmxrob to All on Fri Apr 05 2019 05:24 pm

Sending Netmail to a user on fsxNet -- expect that Netmail will go to my Hub (21:ALL is routed to the fsxNet HUB), but it keeps trying to send directly (and failing). I've checked, double-checked and triple-checked that there is no direct setting whatsoever set for Netmail or the destination address or anything.

What does your routing look like in echocfg's Linked Nodes (or sbbsecho.ini)? I stumbled
through the routing without much issue, luckily.

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Re: Netmail trying to talk DIRECTLY to destination
By: Dmxrob to All on Fri Apr 05 2019 05:24 pm

For the life of me I cannot figure this out. I've searched every document, checked every config file. Either its blatantly obvious and I'm just missing it or ???

Sending Netmail to a user on fsxNet -- expect that Netmail will go to my Hub (21:ALL is routed to the fsxNet HUB), but it keeps trying to send directly (and failing). I've checked, double-checked and triple-checked that there is no direct setting whatsoever set for Netmail or the destination address or anything.

Ideas where to search next?

Crash or direct will defeat any default routing. What do you have the SCFG->Networks->FidoNet->NetMail Defaults to Crash/Direct settings set to?

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Re: Netmail trying to talk DIRECTLY to destination
By: Va7aqd to Dmxrob on Fri Apr 05 2019 04:50 pm

What does your routing look like in echocfg's Linked Nodes (or sbbsecho.ini)? I stumbled through the routing without much issue, luckily.

I finally found the culprit -- Netmail was set to crash mode. Slowly but surely I'm learning all the intricacies of the software.

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On 2019 Apr 05 17:24:04, you wrote to All:

Sending Netmail to a user on fsxNet -- expect that Netmail will go to
my Hub (21:ALL is routed to the fsxNet HUB), but it keeps trying to
send directly (and failing). I've checked, double-checked and triple-checked that there is no direct setting whatsoever set for
Netmail or the destination address or anything.

do you have that destination system listed in your echocfg? if yes, what does that record look like? make sure you block out any passwords when/if you post it...

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Re: Netmail trying to talk DIRECTLY to destination
By: Dmxrob to Va7aqd on Sat Apr 06 2019 08:33 am

I finally found the culprit -- Netmail was set to crash mode. Slowly but surely I'm learning all the intricacies of the software.

I appreciate learning through other's pain (well, in the technical world anyway)! Heh, glad
you got it sorted and now I know something to not do. ;-)

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Re: Netmail trying to talk DIRECTLY to destination
By: Va7aqd to Dmxrob on Sat Apr 06 2019 12:39 pm

I finally found the culprit -- Netmail was set to crash mode. Slowly but surely I'm learning all the intricacies of the software.

I appreciate learning through other's pain (well, in the technical world anyway)! Heh, glad you got it sorted and now I know something to not do.

FTN network stuff is tricky at best -- but way better than it was back in the 80s and 90s. However, I have to admit I love the simplicity of QWK networking. It "just works". The older I get, even as an IT guy, I just want things in my personal life that "just work".

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Re: Netmail trying to talk DIRECTLY to destination
By: Dmxrob to Va7aqd on Sat Apr 06 2019 04:47 pm

Re: Netmail trying to talk DIRECTLY to destination
By: Va7aqd to Dmxrob on Sat Apr 06 2019 12:39 pm

I finally found the culprit -- Netmail was set to crash mode. Slowly but surely I'm learning all the intricacies of the software.

I appreciate learning through other's pain (well, in the technical world anyway)! Heh, glad you got it sorted and now I know something to not do.

FTN network stuff is tricky at best -- but way better than it was back in the 80s and 90s. However, I have to admit I love the simplicity of QWK networking. It "just works". The older I get, even as an IT guy, I just want things in my personal life that "just work".

i dont like any hassles either. i actually prefer ftn; maybe it's about what software you use. i've found that you got to make sure who you're connecting with isnt a flake. over the years i've been a member of msg networks and gaming networks where the operator cant keep it up or switches software all
the time.
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Re: Netmail trying to talk DIRECTLY to destination
By: Dmxrob to Va7aqd on Sat Apr 06 2019 04:47 pm

FTN network stuff is tricky at best -- but way better than it was back in the 80s and 90s. However, I have to admit I love the simplicity of QWK networking. It "just works". The older I get, even as an IT guy, I just want things in my personal life that "just work".

I have a soft spot for FTN, just because it was so difficult back then. I want to reap the benefits of all of the time I spent with toll tables, polling events and routing rules. :)

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Re: Netmail trying to talk DIRECTLY to destination
By: Dmxrob to Va7aqd on Sat Apr 06 2019 04:47 pm

FTN network stuff is tricky at best -- but way better than it was back in the 80s and 90s. However, I have to admit I love the simplicity of QWK networking. It "just works". The older I get, even as an IT guy, I just want things in my personal life that "just work".

On that point, though... I haven't seen any documentation that discusses file echos (FTN file hatching and the
like) or netmail in QWK. Do these features exist?

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On 04-06-19 08:33, Dmxrob wrote to Va7aqd <=-

I finally found the culprit -- Netmail was set to crash mode. Slowly
but surely I'm learning all the intricacies of the software.

Yep, that'll do it ;)


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Re: Netmail trying to talk DIRECTLY to destination
By: Va7aqd to Dmxrob on Sat Apr 06 2019 10:13 pm

Re: Netmail trying to talk DIRECTLY to destination
By: Dmxrob to Va7aqd on Sat Apr 06 2019 04:47 pm

FTN network stuff is tricky at best -- but way better than it was back in the 80s and 90s. However, I have to admit I love the simplicity of QWK networking. It "just works". The older I get, even as an IT guy, I just want things in my personal life that "just work".

On that point, though... I haven't seen any documentation that discusses file echos (FTN file hatching and the like) or netmail in QWK. Do these features exist?

NetMail, yes (http://wiki.synchro.net/ref:qwknet). File echoes, no.

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Re: Netmail trying to talk DIRECTLY to destination
By: Digital Man to Va7aqd on Sun Apr 07 2019 12:42 am

NetMail, yes (http://wiki.synchro.net/ref:qwknet). File echoes, no.

Good read. The transferring files between nodes and hubs part sounds interesting and I like the concept. I don't really make use of the FTN file echoes because its a lot of "noise and bits" I can do without. However, there are times I wish I could send someone a file and reading over this doc, this seems a pretty clear cut way of doing it. Will have to give it a try.

Going to have to dig into this FREQ thing as well... could be useful.

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On 2019 Apr 07 09:15:44, you wrote to Digital Man:

NetMail, yes (http://wiki.synchro.net/ref:qwknet). File echoes, no.

Good read. The transferring files between nodes and hubs part sounds interesting and I like the concept. I don't really make use of the FTN file echoes because its a lot of "noise and bits" I can do without.

what "noise and bits" do you perceive in FTN file echos? there should not be anything other than the files being distributed and the TIC files for them... at the end, when the TIC processing is finished, the TIC is gone and the file should be in your filebase... if there's no TIC file, they won't be being distributed via their FDN...

if you are talking about file distribution areas you don't want, you can turn them off just like you can with message areas...

However, there are times I wish I could send someone a file and
reading over this doc, this seems a pretty clear cut way of doing it.
Will have to give it a try.

file attaches are a GoodThing<tm>... especially since they travel in their raw binary form instead of an enlarged encoding format like UUencode, XXencode or MIME...

Going to have to dig into this FREQ thing as well... could be useful.

FREQs are also very useful in that you request the file from a remote system via a netmail-style message... when you deliver the message to that remote system (FREQs have to go direct) you pick your file up at that time...

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On 04-06-19 18:16, MRO wrote to Dmxrob <=-

i dont like any hassles either. i actually prefer ftn; maybe it's about what software you use. i've found that you got to make sure who you're connecting with isnt a flake. over the years i've been a member of msg networks and gaming networks where the operator cant keep it up or switches software all the time.

I prefer FTN too, but happy to use QWK when appropriate. :)


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On 04-06-19 18:57, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dmxrob <=-

I have a soft spot for FTN, just because it was so difficult back then.
I want to reap the benefits of all of the time I spent with toll
tables, polling events and routing rules. :)

Memories. :) FTN in the 90s did take a bit of effort to setup, but over time one got very proficient. Even today, with the easy to configure software like Mystic and Synchronet, it's still easy to screw up FTN configuration. :)


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On 04-06-19 22:13, Va7aqd wrote to Dmxrob <=-

On that point, though... I haven't seen any documentation that
discusses file echos (FTN file hatching and the
like) or netmail in QWK. Do these features exist?

QWK netmail does exist, at least on Synchronet boards. Digital Man has implemented and documented extensions to QWK networking that include netmail support. You simply send a netmail to user@BBSID on a QWK netmail capable system.


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Re: Re: Netmail trying to talk DIRECTLY to destination
By: Tony Langdon to MRO on Mon Apr 08 2019 12:18 pm

I prefer FTN too, but happy to use QWK when appropriate. :)

QWK seems simpler to set up.. What is it about FTN that you prefer?

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Netmail trying to talk DIRECTLY to destination
By: Tony Langdon to Va7aqd on Mon Apr 08 2019 12:21 pm

QWK netmail does exist, at least on Synchronet boards. Digital Man has implemented and documented extensions to QWK networking that include netmail support. You simply send a netmail to user@BBSID on a QWK netmail capable system.

And I've also seen QWK netmail addresses to route through one BBS to another, such as nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST, to route through Vertrauen to Digital Distortion.

Nightfox

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On 04-08-19 09:07, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Re: Re: Netmail trying to talk DIRECTLY to destination
By: Tony Langdon to MRO on Mon Apr 08 2019 12:18 pm

I prefer FTN too, but happy to use QWK when appropriate. :)

QWK seems simpler to set up.. What is it about FTN that you prefer?

Well, the feature set, like file echos, FREQ, etc. Synchronet at least provides one other thing QWK was missing - netmail.

And yes, QWK is simpler to setup.


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On 04-08-19 09:08, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

And I've also seen QWK netmail addresses to route through one BBS to another, such as nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST, to route through Vertrauen to Digital Distortion.

Yes, I've seen Synchronet automatically expand QWK netmail addressdesto a full path (bit like bang path addressing on UUCP). :)


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Re: Re: Netmail trying to talk DIRECTLY to destination
By: Tony Langdon to Nightfox on Tue Apr 09 2019 08:09 am

On 04-08-19 09:07, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Re: Re: Netmail trying to talk DIRECTLY to destination
By: Tony Langdon to MRO on Mon Apr 08 2019 12:18 pm

I prefer FTN too, but happy to use QWK when appropriate. :)

QWK seems simpler to set up.. What is it about FTN that you prefer?

Well, the feature set, like file echos, FREQ, etc. Synchronet at least provides one other thing QWK was missing - netmail.

And yes, QWK is simpler to setup.

QWK has supported for FREQ for.... ever? Anyway, a long time. But you'll need an account on the BBS from which you're FREQing files.

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On 04-08-19 16:25, Digital Man wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

QWK has supported for FREQ for.... ever? Anyway, a long time. But
you'll need an account on the BBS from which you're FREQing files.

Obviously that will work on your QWK hub. :)


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Re: Re: Netmail trying to talk DIRECTLY to destination
By: Nightfox to Tony Langdon on Mon Apr 08 2019 09:07 am

Re: Re: Netmail trying to talk DIRECTLY to destination
By: Tony Langdon to MRO on Mon Apr 08 2019 12:18 pm

I prefer FTN too, but happy to use QWK when appropriate. :)

QWK seems simpler to set up.. What is it about FTN that you prefer?

Nightfox

it's actually comparable in difficulty.
i got it working fine and i'm an idiot.

i've even setup systems for people who later ran msg networks. they wont admit i did, though!
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