I was searching through some old Dovenet threads and found many mentions of sysops who ran Synchronet inside of Qemu.

Is there anyone out there who runs Synchronet on their normal OS but uses Qemu for DOS doors (similar to how linux Sync works with dosemu)?

If so, how do you launch/configure it to work with the BBS?

--Josh

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El 30/11/18 a las 18:47, Kirkman escribió:

I was searching through some old Dovenet threads and found many mentions of sysops who ran Synchronet inside of Qemu.

Is there anyone out there who runs Synchronet on their normal OS but uses

Qemu

for DOS doors (similar to how linux Sync works with dosemu)?

If so, how do you launch/configure it to work with the BBS?

i think that the hard part must be to dynamic mount the "door"
filesystem into qemu, maybe via network share, but increase the startup
door time

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i think that the hard part must be to dynamic mount the "door"
filesystem into qemu, maybe via network share, but increase the startup
door time

Thanks, Ragnarok. Do you use qemu with your BBS?

--Josh

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Re: Re: Qemu for DOS doors?
By: Kirkman to Ragnarok on Tue Dec 04 2018 09:30:32

i think that the hard part must be to dynamic mount the "door"
filesystem into qemu, maybe via network share, but increase the startup door time

Thanks, Ragnarok. Do you use qemu with your BBS?

Nop, i run Sync native on Debian, but i have several VM's on kvm/qemu
can you not use dosemu?

Ragnarok
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Nop, i run Sync native on Debian, but i have several VM's on kvm/qemu
can you not use dosemu?

I’m trying to run Synchronet on my Mac. Right now dosemu doesn’t support MacOS, so I’m exploring alternatives.

(However the dosemu2 guy is being responsive and I plan to help trying to get it to run on the Mac. But that may take quite a while.)

—Josh

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Re: Re: Qemu for DOS doors?
By: Kirkman to Ragnarok on Wed Dec 05 2018 05:57 pm

I’m trying to run Synchronet on my Mac. Right now dosemu doesn’t

It seems your apostrophe characters are probably using a different encoding that's causing them to not be displayed well in a text terminal.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Qemu for DOS doors?
By: Nightfox to Kirkman on Wed Dec 05 2018 05:43 pm

I’m trying to run Synchronet on my Mac. Right now dosemu doesn’t

It seems your apostrophe characters are probably using a different

Yeah, that's me typing on a Mac web browser into the ecweb interface.
Hopefully the world won't end.

--Josh

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Re: Re: Qemu for DOS doors?
By: Kirkman to Nightfox on Fri Dec 07 2018 10:31 am

Re: Re: Qemu for DOS doors?
By: Nightfox to Kirkman on Wed Dec 05 2018 05:43 pm

I’m trying to run Synchronet on my Mac. Right now dosemu doesn’t

It seems your apostrophe characters are probably using a different

Yeah, that's me typing on a Mac web browser into the ecweb interface. Hopefully the world won't end.

It'd be cool if ecweb could do some unicode->ASCII conversion though.

digital man

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Re: Re: Qemu for DOS doors?
By: Digital Man to Kirkman on Fri Dec 07 2018 13:42:57

It'd be cool if ecweb could do some unicode->ASCII conversion though.

I've tried to stay away from mangling the original message prior to storage, but it could be done. If I can find a vanilla JS iconv that will work on the server side, sure.

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Re: Re: Qemu for DOS doors?
By: echicken to Digital Man on Fri Dec 07 2018 05:37 pm

Re: Re: Qemu for DOS doors?
By: Digital Man to Kirkman on Fri Dec 07 2018 13:42:57

It'd be cool if ecweb could do some unicode->ASCII conversion though.

I've tried to stay away from mangling the original message prior to storage, but it could be done. If I can find a vanilla JS iconv that will work on the server side, sure.

We don't (officially, anyway) support unicode in the message bases, yet, so it'd be a good idea to sanitize the input. Or maybe there's someway in the input forms to tell the browser to send ASCII chars only?

digital man

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Re: Re: Qemu for DOS doors?
By: Kirkman to Nightfox on Fri Dec 07 2018 10:31 am

Re: Re: Qemu for DOS doors?
By: Nightfox to Kirkman on Wed Dec 05 2018 05:43 pm

I’m trying to run Synchronet on my Mac. Right now dosemu doesn’t

It seems your apostrophe characters are probably using a different

Yeah, that's me typing on a Mac web browser into the ecweb interface. Hopefully the world won't end.

well it does look weird.
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Re: Re: Qemu for DOS doors?
By: Digital Man to echicken on Fri Dec 07 2018 14:51:47

We don't (officially, anyway) support unicode in the message bases, yet, so it'd be a good idea to sanitize the input. Or maybe there's someway in the input forms to tell the browser to send ASCII chars only?

It typically flows in the other direction (browser tells server which character sets and encodings it likes), but I should brush up on content negotiation to be sure about that. Input sanitization should be done on the server though.

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Re: Re: Qemu for DOS doors?
By: Digital Man to Kirkman on Fri Dec 07 2018 01:42 pm

Yeah, that's me typing on a Mac web browser into the ecweb

interface. Hopefully the world won't end.

It'd be cool if ecweb could do some unicode->ASCII conversion though.

I don't know if it will help anyone, but I had this problem on my web interface too, it turns out Macs use 'smart quotes' rather than ordinary quotes - iconv choked on them until I learned about the TRANSLIT switch.

Andrew

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Re: Re: Qemu for DOS doors?
By: Apam to Digital Man on Sat Dec 08 2018 10:16 am

Re: Re: Qemu for DOS doors?
By: Digital Man to Kirkman on Fri Dec 07 2018 01:42 pm

Yeah, that's me typing on a Mac web browser into the ecweb

interface. Hopefully the world won't end.

It'd be cool if ecweb could do some unicode->ASCII conversion though.

I don't know if it will help anyone, but I had this problem on my web interface too, it turns out Macs use 'smart quotes' rather than ordinary quotes - iconv choked on them until I learned about the TRANSLIT switch.

people just shouldnt use macs!
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On 2018 Dec 05 17:43:10, you wrote to Kirkman:

I’m trying to run Synchronet on my Mac. Right now dosemu doesn’t

It seems your apostrophe characters are probably using a different encoding that's causing them to not be displayed well in a text
terminal.

that's UTF-8 muck... i generally see it when pasting UTF-8 text into a terminal
window... they're using typeset apostrophies and quotes instead of the standard
CP437 ones...

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Re: Re: Qemu for DOS doors?
By: MRO to Apam on Fri Dec 07 2018 10:28 pm

Re: Re: Qemu for DOS doors?
By: Apam to Digital Man on Sat Dec 08 2018 10:16 am

people just shouldnt use macs!

LOL!!!
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Nop, i run Sync native on Debian, but i have several VM's on kvm/qemu
can you not use dosemu?

I'm trying to run Synchronet on my Mac. Right now dosemu doesn't support MacOS, so I'm exploring alternatives.

(However the dosemu2 guy is being responsive and I plan to help trying to
get it to run on the Mac. But that may take quite a while.)

In the interim, you *could* use a Linux VM or Docker for Mac (same thing effectively) and just
use the linux version of Synchronet there. NOTE: if you use the Docker route, do *NOT* do a
volume mount from the BBS to the system drive, the volume sync in docker windows/mac is
very slow, to say the least.
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My BBS already lives in a Linux VM, and has since I launched it years ago. But I think I'd get a big speed boost hosting it directly on my Mac, so that's why I'm exploring this stuff. With Nelgin's help, we managed to compile SBBS on the Mac, and it does run. The main thing I lack is a way to run DOS doors.

--Josh

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Re: Re: Qemu for DOS doors?
By: Kirkman to Tracker1 on Wed Dec 19 2018 03:27 pm

My BBS already lives in a Linux VM, and has since I launched it years ago. But I think I'd get a big speed boost hosting it directly on my Mac, so that's why I'm exploring this stuff. With Nelgin's help, we managed to compile SBBS on the Mac, and it does run. The main thing I lack is a way to run DOS doors.

Neat. Even without DOS door support, Synchronet on a Mac might be a very desireable thing for some folks. Do you have a how-to or could add one to wiki.synchro.net?

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Neat. Even without DOS door support, Synchronet on a Mac might be a very desireable thing for some folks. Do you have a how-to or could add one to wiki.synchro.net?

Yeah, I think that'd be worth doing. But there are probably some things that need to be addressed in the makefiles first. I was able to work around some stuff, and Nelgin was able to work around some stuff, but it'd probably be better for an expert to actually solve the problem. My changes (see link below) may have introduced new issues that I just haven't encountered yet in my (very limited) initial tests.

I compiled most of the things that we found were necessary in a gist here:

https://gist.github.com/Kirkman/06db0a189272d482464a32ea1e9cefa1

Since I embarked on the dosemu errand, I haven't had time go back to messing with SBBS on the Mac. Dosemu needs a lot of work since it was designed specifically for linux and not really multi-platform. But the developer has been very responsive, and we're slowly making progress here: https://github.com/stsp/dosemu2/issues/721


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El 19/12/18 a las 18:27, Kirkman escribió:

My BBS already lives in a Linux VM, and has since I launched it years ago.

But

I think I'd get a big speed boost hosting it directly on my Mac, so that's

why

I'm exploring this stuff. With Nelgin's help, we managed to compile SBBS on

the

Mac, and it does run. The main thing I lack is a way to run DOS doors.

what VM tecnology are you use?
I have several VM's and i have not speed impact.
I use qemu on Linux + KVM

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