Attention Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley,

-={ '<Esc>:read !/lib/libc.so.6' starts }=-
GNU C Library (GNU libc) stable release version 2.28.
Copyright (C) 2018 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.
There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A
PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
Compiled by GNU CC version 8.2.0.
libc ABIs: UNIQUE IFUNC ABSOLUTE
For bug reporting instructions, please see: <http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/bugs.html>.
-={ '<Esc>:read !/lib/libc.so.6' ends }=-

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Hello Little!

01 Aug 2018 20:47, Little Mikey wrote to Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley:

-={ '<Esc>:read !/lib/libc.so.6' starts }=-
GNU C Library (GNU libc) stable release version 2.28.

+1

i have glibc from truck github if i want to use it, there is no safe way back if emerged

could you test this ? :)

2.28 is not in gentoo yet

Compiled by GNU CC version 8.2.0.
libc ABIs: UNIQUE IFUNC ABSOLUTE

+1

still miss you on gentoo :)


Regards Benny

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Attention Benny Pedersen,

i have glibc from truck github if i want to use it, there is no
safe way back if emerged

Understood. glibc is the trickiest package to upgrade since everything relies on it. That is why special partitions are deployed here for experimenting with
glibc. Having said that, this reply is being entered on a booted rootfs based on glibc-2.28 with a bootstrapped gcc-8.2.0 and at this writing a linux-4.17.11
kernel. The original post you are replying to was also from this same rootfs.

could you test this ? :)

Do you mean the gentoo package? If so then there is currently no machine set up here to make that doable. The two machines are both set up to experiment with the new glibc-2.28 and both have a backup bootable partition that is stable just in case they are needed. So far they aren't but it has only been a
couple days now.

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Hallo Little Mikey!

glibc-2.28 with a bootstrapped gcc-8.2.0

-={ '<Esc>:read !/lib/libc.so.6' starts }=-
GNU C Library (GNU libc) stable release version 2.28.
Copyright (C) 2018 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.
There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A
PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
Compiled by GNU CC version 8.2.0.
libc ABIs: UNIQUE IFUNC ABSOLUTE
For bug reporting instructions, please see: <http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/bugs.html>.
-={ '<Esc>:read !/lib/libc.so.6' ends }=-

and at this writing a linux-4.17.11 kernel

AHA! Consider yourself one-upped;

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Linux lilmikey 4.17.12 #1 SMP Fri Aug 3 21:44:47 UTC 2018 x86_64 Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N2800 @ 1.86GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
-={ '<Esc>:read !uname -a' ends }=-

it has only been a couple days now.

Confirmed except the uptime on the x86_64-bonnell-linux-gnu machine shows;

-={ '<Esc>:read !uptime' starts }=-
23:20:43 up 21 min, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.08, 0.17
-={ '<Esc>:read !uptime' ends }=-

It still has that new kernel smell.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Attention Benny Pedersen,

lvm2 snapshot rollbacks ?

No. Just plain old ext4 partitions created by fdisk (util-linux) and formatted
with mke2fs (e2fsprogs) just like mom used to do ... errrrr ... if I had a mom that is.

but i dont know how cold it could be on the maunting top

At the moment there are still issues with m4, findutils, and gzip. Probably more that gentoo requires but these three are a major stumbling block and creativity was required to overcome both the m4 and findutils issues to create packages, even in a chrootable enviroment. gzip is less of an issue but it is still a deal breaker if not resolved which it was by creating the gzip-1.9.4-9ef6-dirty source as noted in a previous post. Same with findutils-4.6.0.186-84e8. With m4 the latest official m4-1.4.18 source is being used although it required bootstrapping to the latest gnulib before it would work with glibc-2.28. In that case the bootstrap script in the source package was used to create newly bootstrapped m4-1.4.18 source instead of using
git sources as in the case of gzip and findutils.

----- glibc-9999.ebuild begins -----

Whoa! First off the current bootable rootfs isn't a git version but a fully qualified GNU release. See https://www.gnu.org/s/libc/ for the details. Before this release the git version(s) tagged as 2.27.9000 were tested in a chroot partition and only once booted when gcc-8.2.0 was released about a week prior to the official glibc-2.28 release on August first.

The bash script used here to build glibc-2.28 is exactly 1980 bytes containing 62 lines of code.

----- glibc-9999.ebuild ends -----

thats all :)

Way more than enough to ascertain it's failure on either of the two machines available here. All build scripts here are bash based and lack the dependency tracking gentoo prides itself on. Your posted script requires a gentoo host as
well as the proper runtime to engage that script. No testing required to know that it will fail.

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Hello Little!

05 Aug 2018 01:07, Little Mikey wrote to Benny Pedersen:

lvm2 snapshot rollbacks ?

No. Just plain old ext4 partitions created by fdisk (util-linux) and formatted with mke2fs (e2fsprogs) just like mom used to do ... errrrr
... if I had a mom that is.

i can do this, not a problem at all

Way more than enough to ascertain it's failure on either of the two machines available here.

+1

All build scripts here are bash based and
lack the dependency tracking gentoo prides itself on.

ebuilds is bash, but portage is 100% python :)

Your posted
script requires a gentoo host as well as the proper runtime to engage that script.

you just create one then

No testing required to know that it will fail.

+1

glibc 2.28 have problems with crypt, is all i know for now



Regards Benny

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Attention Benny Pedersen,

ebuilds is bash, but portage is 100% python :)

It's usually the python dependent ones that cause all the grief.

you just create one then

Already have a few bash based ones such as check_install, manifest and a few others. They've been in use here for over a decade now but aren't really in the same league as portage and the such. Very simple and to the point and lack
things like dependency tracking and the such.

glibc 2.28 have problems with crypt, is all i know for now

-={ '<Esc>:read !ldd /usr/bin/passwd | tr -d "\t"' starts }=-
linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007fff9db69000)
libcrypt.so.1 => /lib/libcrypt.so.1 (0x00007fd7a0ecf000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x00007fd7a0d50000)
/lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007fd7a0f0a000)
-={ '<Esc>:read !ldd /usr/bin/passwd | tr -d "\t"' ends }=-

Looks okay from this angle. passwd is from the shadow-4.6 package which was compiled with glibc-2.28 which is where the above listed libcrypt.so.1 comes from.

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Hello Little!

09 Aug 2018 03:59, Little Mikey wrote to Benny Pedersen:

ebuilds is bash, but portage is 100% python :)

It's usually the python dependent ones that cause all the grief.

gentoo have python installed both python2 and python3, i dont know why :)

you just create one then

Already have a few bash based ones such as check_install, manifest and
a few others.

if windows 10 soon get portage i would begin to love it :)

They've been in use here for over a decade now but
aren't really in the same league as portage and the such.

is your plan to make portage in bash ?

Very simple
and to the point and lack things like dependency tracking and the
such.

+1, that is the strongest part of portage, all else is benefits


Regards Benny

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Hallo Benny!

gentoo have python installed both python2 and python3, i dont
know why :)

Firefox and the like. Also I believe there are some specific python3 apps used
for development tools not too unlike cmake. Everything else, such as mesalibs,
still require python2 and thus the additional bloat; both python2 and python3.

is your plan to make portage in bash ?

No. Basically what little I have is for keeping track of what to remove if and
when I uninstall a package mostly to facillitate upgrading. In the case of glibc it is better to start from scratch and rebuild the entire system which of
this writing consists of exactly 167 packages, including python2 which is needed by glib which is a dependency for mc. If I got rid of mc I could probably get rid of python2 despite a few packages (alsa for example) whining about the lack of python2 but not failing to build and/or work without it. However I find mc handy to have every now and then, such as for browsing tarballs, so I put up with python2 in order to develop the few utilities that require it to be available. Same with perl which even glibc requires to be available when building despite the fact it adds too much bloat for what little
actual use I personally have for it.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Hello Maurice!

11 Aug 2018 19:30, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

Firefox and the like. Also I believe there are some specific python3 apps used for development tools not too unlike cmake.

+1

Everything
else, such as mesalibs, still require python2 and thus the additional bloat; both python2 and python3.

-1, if not much intrest to drop python2 it will survice longer

is your plan to make portage in bash ?

No.

+1

....

even glibc requires to be available when building despite the fact it adds too much bloat for what little actual use I personally have for
it.

glib have not depending on python2 anymore on gentoo, but just defaults to it

----- glib.ebuild begins -----
[I] dev-libs/glib
Available versions: (2) 2.52.3 ~2.54.3-r6
{dbus debug fam +mime selinux static-libs systemtap test utils xattr ABI_MIPS="n32 n64 o32" ABI_PPC="32 64" ABI_S390="32 64" ABI_X86="32 64 x32" KERNEL="linux" PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python2_7 python3_5 python3_6 python3_7" PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 python3_5 python3_6 python3_7"}
Installed versions: 2.52.3(2)(23:48:32 04/10/18)(mime xattr -dbus -debug -fam -selinux -static-libs -systemtap -test -utils ABI_MIPS="-n32 -n64 -o32" ABI_PPC="-32 -64" ABI_S390="-32 -64" ABI_X86="64 -32 -x32" KERNEL="linux" PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7")
Homepage: https://www.gtk.org/
Description: The GLib library of C routines

----- glib.ebuild ends -----

maybe try python 3.7 ? :)


Regards Benny

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Hallo Benny!

-1, if not much intrest to drop python2 it will survice longer

It definetly looks that way, hence things like Firefox requiring you to have both python2 and python3. I have a choice to have either one or the other or none at all. However if none then I lose mc so for now I decided to go with python2 and make alsa struff happy while I am at it. With python3 I can keep mc happy as it doesn't care which version since it is glib that requires it and
it is happy with either python2 or python3. At this point in time if I am forsced to python3 or both then I'd probably choose none and learn to live without mc. ;-)

glib have not depending on python2 anymore on gentoo

Interesting that they made that choice. Seems to me another reason I won't be using gentoo. ;-)

maybe try python 3.7 ? :)

Why? I am not planning to install Firefox and would still need python2 for mesalib if I wanted to install xorg and apps that require mesalib. I see no point for python3 other than Firefox at this stage of the game. Also I am still happy with a text browser so this isn't worth anything to me personally.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Hello Maurice!

11 Aug 2018 21:25, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

-1, if not much intrest to drop python2 it will survice longer

It definetly looks that way, hence things like Firefox requiring you
to have both python2 and python3.

seems why i dont emerge firefox here :)

I have a choice to have either one
or the other or none at all.

your choice is not my problem :)

However if none then I lose mc so for
now I decided to go with python2 and make alsa struff happy while I am
at it.

disable fam, its solved imho ?

With python3 I can keep mc happy as it doesn't care which
version since it is glib that requires it and it is happy with either python2 or python3.

glib can be compiled with python3 on gentoo, where is the problem then ?

At this point in time if I am forsced to python3
or both then I'd probably choose none and learn to live without mc.
;-)

then you loose both aswell

glib have not depending on python2 anymore on gentoo

Interesting that they made that choice. Seems to me another reason I won't be using gentoo. ;-)

and time to learn more

maybe try python 3.7 ? :)

Why?

+1, python 2.7 is long supported on gentoo, failback if python3 fails

I am not planning to install Firefox and would still need
python2 for mesalib if I wanted to install xorg and apps that require mesalib. I see no point for python3 other than Firefox at this stage
of the game.

report it to the precompilers to change away from python2 would help get rid of
dual versions of python api needs :)

Also I am still happy with a text browser so this isn't
worth anything to me personally.

yep i am happy no need for X11 on my fidonet :)

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

i got 4.18 now


Regards Benny

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Hallo Benny!

glib can be compiled with python3 on gentoo

Or any other system using "--with-python=/usr/bin/python3" to glib's configure.
However I still don't see the benefit if you still require python2 for everything else that requires python such as mesalib ... or even firefox which now requires both python2 and python3.

python 2.7 is long supported on gentoo, failback if python3 fails

Again I don't see why even bother with python3. In gentoo's you'll need at least python2 to keep the packaging/tracking system happy.

i got 4.18 now

I see that in your tearline. Near as I can tell it isn't much different than 4.17. I notice one proxy addition in netfilter called CONFIG_NF_TPROXY_IPV4 and CONFIG_NF_TPROXY_IPV6 but I haven't researched it yet. I am guessing I probably don't need it.


Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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On 08-14-18 13:37, Benny Pedersen wrote to Maurice Kinal <=-

Hello Maurice!

11 Aug 2018 21:25, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

-1, if not much intrest to drop python2 it will survice longer

It definetly looks that way, hence things like Firefox requiring you
to have both python2 and python3.

seems why i dont emerge firefox here :)

A lot of things still use Python 2(.7). Python 3 is far from universally accepted.


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Hello Maurice!

14 Aug 2018 17:50, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

glib can be compiled with python3 on gentoo

Or any other system using "--with-python=/usr/bin/python3" to glib's configure.

+1

However I still don't see the benefit if you still require
python2 for everything else that requires python such as mesalib ...
or even firefox which now requires both python2 and python3.

each ebuild can use multislotted depends, but it does not need it, the only reason gentoo support multislots is that portage will break one day, and if that python is breaked, one cant emerge anything, loose

if you tell portage to let glib and mesalib use python3 its done

python 2.7 is long supported on gentoo, failback if python3 fails

Again I don't see why even bother with python3. In gentoo's you'll
need at least python2 to keep the packaging/tracking system happy.

if you know gentoo more you will hate precompiled distros more :)

i got 4.18 now

I see that in your tearline. Near as I can tell it isn't much
different than 4.17. I notice one proxy addition in netfilter called CONFIG_NF_TPROXY_IPV4 and CONFIG_NF_TPROXY_IPV6 but I haven't
researched it yet. I am guessing I probably don't need it.

this needs squid to be usefull with this 2 .config options

fully dual stack transperant proxy, dont know if ssl can be transperant with man in middle ssl certs, i dont really care of that problems if p2p crypt works

Het leven is goed,

+10000

... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.

where is that dutch come from ? :)


Regards Benny

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Hello Tony!

15 Aug 2018 08:08, Tony Langdon wrote to Benny Pedersen:

seems why i dont emerge firefox here :)

A lot of things still use Python 2(.7). Python 3 is far from
universally accepted.

yep, 2.7, seems frezzed more or less, but gentoo nearly just keep it as a failback, python needs goes upward with versions depends, portage just stop if there is not atleast 2 diffrent versions installed, i dont remember of it could
be 2 versions of python2 or 2 versions of python3 to satisfy it, for safety i keep one of each, going will will be install all python versions supported on gentoo :)

so all works, hehe


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On 08-14-18 23:38, Benny Pedersen wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Hello Tony!

15 Aug 2018 08:08, Tony Langdon wrote to Benny Pedersen:

seems why i dont emerge firefox here :)

A lot of things still use Python 2(.7). Python 3 is far from
universally accepted.

yep, 2.7, seems frezzed more or less, but gentoo nearly just keep it as
a failback, python needs goes upward with versions depends, portage
just stop if there is not atleast 2 diffrent versions installed, i dont remember of it could be 2 versions of python2 or 2 versions of python3
to satisfy it, for safety i keep one of each, going will will be
install all python versions supported on gentoo :)

I think most distros end up with V2.7 and v3 installed. I'm pretty sure I'm setup that way.


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Hallo Benny!

if you tell portage to let glib and mesalib use python3 its done

I am sure mesalib requires python2. Have you tried compiling it with only python3 available?

if you know gentoo more you will hate precompiled distros more :)

I don't hate them but I don't like that most don't tell me what I want to know before deciding whether or not I wish to try them out. For example what versions of gcc, glibc, kernel version, etc. The rest doesn't matter much and could care less about things like firefox nevermind which version.

where is that dutch come from ? :)

Half of the vi Dutch came from Henri Derksen if I remember correctly. The English version I came up with around twenty years ago during a discussion in this echoarea about mutiltasking and Madonna and using it as a tagline for "Little Mikey's EuroPoint" seems like a great idea given where the bossnode is located.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Attention Maurice Kinal,

Half of the vi Dutch came from Henri Derksen if I remember
correctly.

"MSGID: 2:280/1208@FidoNet 3c0b785c", posted in ASIAN_LINK, showing FTN DateTime stamp of "30 Apr 18 11:58:00", replying to a msg with the subject "Pathetic earthlings." Your original message had the tagline "Do not cry for me Ik heb vi." to which Henri Derksen offered the corrected version of "Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi", which is the EuroPoint's current default tagline.

The English version I came up with around twenty years ago during
a discussion in this echoarea about mutiltasking and Madonna

Check out;

https://fidonet.ozzmosis.com/echomail.php/linux/2cf951c8f70a3065.html

That is where it started. Too bad the above is a corrupted version but that is
as close to tracking it down to the source as can be found at this writing.

Maybe mark lewis can come up with the original? There is enough information in
the above to help track it down.

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Hello Maurice!

15 Aug 2018 03:04, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

if you tell portage to let glib and mesalib use python3 its done

I am sure mesalib requires python2. Have you tried compiling it with only python3 available?

----- mesa.ebuild begins -----
* media-libs/mesa
Available versions: 17.3.9^d ~18.0.5^d ~18.1.4^d ~18.1.5^d ~18.1.6^d ~18.2.0_rc2^t **9999^t {bindist +classic d3d9 debug +dri3 +egl +gallium +gbm gles1 gles2 +llvm lm_sensors +nptl opencl openmax osmesa pax_kernel pic selinux
test unwind vaapi valgrind vdpau vulkan wayland xa xvmc ABI_MIPS="n32 n64 o32" ABI_PPC="32 64" ABI_S390="32 64" ABI_X86="32 64 x32" VIDEO_CARDS="freedreno i915 i965 imx intel nouveau r100 r200 r300 r600 radeon radeonsi vc4 virgl vivante vmware"}
Homepage: https://www.mesa3d.org/ https://mesa.freedesktop.org/
Description: OpenGL-like graphic library for Linux

----- mesa.ebuild ends -----

not this one ?

python free here

if you know gentoo more you will hate precompiled distros more :)

I don't hate them but I don't like that most don't tell me what I want
to know before deciding whether or not I wish to try them out.

same here, i just learn from redhat, that was when i desided to go away from precompiled distros into freebsd and gentoo world, have not retgretted it since, and following maillists about ubuntu and centos keep me away from them, debian might be sligtly better somewhare :)

For
example what versions of gcc, glibc, kernel version, etc.

+1

The rest
doesn't matter much and could care less about things like firefox nevermind which version.

+1

i have used links in framebuffered graphics mode on a quad p2 :)

it worked, not slow at all, and did not need any reboots after using it


Regards Benny

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Hallo Benny!

not this one ?

The most recent one I was looking at is 18.1.5 and requires python2 as well at least one python module; Mako. I'll have to check gentoo's configuration to see if there is somewhere there that disables the need for python when building
mesa.

python free here

See above. I still have doubts.

i have used links in framebuffered graphics mode on a quad p2 :)
it worked, not slow at all, and did not need any reboots after
using it

I've done that too but on a dual p3 with a matrox g200. It worked fantastic. It even had a TV capture card and I could watch TV on one console and still have console switching so that I could have other things going on different tty's without any interference from the others including the TV tty. Later on I added a second monitor just for graphical output and kept the main monitor for the good stuff, such as compiling and other text based operations. That was the ideal setup.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Attention Maurice Kinal,

python free here

See above. I still have doubts.

See; https://www.reddit.com/r/Gentoo/comments/96n8eo/mako_module_required_to_build_mesa/

which confirms your doubts including the need for the python module Mako. Of note is the "PYTHON_COMPAT value in mesa ebuild" which appears to enable python3 compatibilty instead of the default python2 requirement.

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... Fudd's First Law of Opposition:
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.
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* Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)