d8b 888 888
Y8P 888 888
888 888
888 88888b. 888888 .d88b. 888d888 88888b. 8888b. 888
888 888 "88b 888 d8P Y8b 888P" 888 "88b "88b 888
888 888 888 888 88888888 888 888 888 .d888888 888
888 888 888 Y88b. Y8b. 888 888 888 888 888 888
888 888 888 "Y888 "Y88888 888 888 888 "Y888888 888

888 d8b d8b
888 Y8P Y8P
888
.d88888 888 88888b.d88b. .d88b. 88888b. .d8888b 888 .d88b. 88888b.
d88" 888 888 888 "888 "88b d8P Y8b 888 "88b 88K 888 d88""88b 888 "88b
888 888 888 888 888 888 88888888 888 888 "Y8888b. 888 888 888 888 888
Y88b 888 888 888 888 888 Y8b. 888 888 X88 888 Y88..88P 888 888
"Y88888 888 888 888 888 "Y88888 888 888 88888P' 888 "Y88P" 888 888

mystic bbs 1.12 - pc/amiga/os2/console � idbbs.dlinkddns.com:59
amiganet 39:902/510 � agoranet 46:1/190 � dorenet 44:519/0 � fido 1:229/275
fsxnet 21:1/178 � pinet 314:314/20 � retronet 80:519/0

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A38 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: internal dimension + idbbs.dlinkddns.com + port 59 (1:229/275)

Hallo Internal!

Looks much better in pure ascii;

-={ sed "s/\xc4/-/g" }=-
d8b 888 888
Y8P 888 888
888 888
888 88888b. 888888 .d88b. 888d888 88888b. 8888b. 888
888 888 "88b 888 d8P Y8b 888P" 888 "88b "88b 888
888 888 888 888 88888888 888 888 888 .d888888 888
888 888 888 Y88b. Y8b. 888 888 888 888 888 888
888 888 888 "Y888 "Y88888 888 888 888 "Y888888 888

888 d8b d8b
888 Y8P Y8P
888
.d88888 888 88888b.d88b. .d88b. 88888b. .d8888b 888 .d88b. 88888b.
d88" 888 888 888 "888 "88b d8P Y8b 888 "88b 88K 888 d88""88b 888 "88b
888 888 888 888 888 888 88888888 888 888 "Y8888b. 888 888 888 888 888
Y88b 888 888 888 888 888 Y8b. 888 888 X88 888 Y88..88P 888 888
"Y88888 888 888 888 888 "Y88888 888 888 88888P' 888 "Y88P" 888 888

mystic bbs 1.12 - pc/amiga/os2/console - idbbs.dlinkddns.com:59
amiganet 39:902/510 - agoranet 46:1/190 - dorenet 44:519/0 - fido 1:229/275
fsxnet 21:1/178 - pinet 314:314/20 - retronet 80:519/0

Kids these days. :::sigh:::

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
--- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-bonnell-linux-gnu)
* Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint - Ladysmith BC, Canada (2:280/464.113)

Hey Maurice!

Looks much better in pure ascii;

Especially in a iso8859-1 terminal. Also a utf-8 terminal.

A cp437 terminal? Nothing looks good on that. Mind you who in their right mind would use/want a cp437 terminal?

Life is good,
Maurice

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-3
* Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38)

Re: A Brand New Look!
By: Maurice Kinal to Maurice Kinal on Tue May 22 2018 02:01 am

A cp437 terminal? Nothing looks good on that. Mind you who in their right mind would use/want a cp437 terminal?

Right, cp850 is much better!

Ttyl :-),
Al


... And now for something you'll really like! -Rocky
--- SBBSecho 3.04-Linux
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757)

Hallo Alan!

Right, cp850 is much better!

Only if you do this first; iconv -f cp850 -t utf8 -o utf8.msg cp850.msg

However in the case of "MSGID: 1:229/275 6f74f81b", the exact same sed call will produce the exact same results given that cp437 and cp850 use the same character for 0xC4, which is a line drawing character resembling the minus sign
in real ascii. Real ascii only goes up to 0x7f so 0xc4 is right out.

Anyhow I think the ascii rendering of "MSGID: 1:229/275 6f74f81b" is infinetly better given it's default universality. I see absolutely no gain with the 0xc4
character. Do you?

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
--- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-bonnell-linux-gnu)
* Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint - Ladysmith BC, Canada (2:280/464.113)

Re: A Brand New Look!
By: Maurice Kinal to Alan Ianson on Tue May 22 2018 07:16 am

Anyhow I think the ascii rendering of "MSGID: 1:229/275 6f74f81b" is infinetly better given it's default universality. I see absolutely no gain with the 0xc4 character. Do you?

I'm not sure where that message can be found but I personaly don't use any characters that are not easily accessible on my keyboard.

Maybe an ansi or ascii artist might, but I am no artist.

Ttyl :-),
Al


... For people who like peace & quiet - A phoneless cord!
--- SBBSecho 3.04-Linux
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757)

Hallo Alan!

I personaly don't use any characters that are not easily
accessible on my keyboard.

In other words you favour my reply to "MSGID: 1:229/275 6f74f81b" - for the record "2:280/464.113 5b03a588" - which is the pure ascii version with the minus sign character '-' replacing the 0xc4 character which in both cp437 and cp850 is the line drawing charater resembling the minus sign.

To render it in a cp850 terminal simply hold down the left Alt key while typing
1 then 9 then 6 on the number keypad (Num Lock off of course) and release the left Alt key. Lo and behold you should see the line drawing character in question if indeed your terminal is crippled by enabling an IBM codepage. Other goofy 8 bit codepages will vary of course but most, if not all, of the CPXXX ones will produce the line drawing character resembling the minus sign.

Clear as mud?

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
--- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-bonnell-linux-gnu)
* Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint - Ladysmith BC, Canada (2:280/464.113)

Hello Maurice!

22 May 18 08:55, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.

Zo is het maar net.

Kees

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5
* Origin: As for me, all I know is that, I know nothing. (2:280/5003.4)

Hallo Kees!

... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.

Zo is het maar net.

Het is zeer krachtig, maar niet gemakkelijk te gebruiken. Ik moest leren zonder documentatie. :-/

Hopefully the above makes sense. ;-)

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
--- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-bonnell-linux-gnu)
* Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint - Ladysmith BC, Canada (2:280/464.113)

Good ${greeting_time}, Kees!

22 May 2018 12:29:40, you wrote to Maurice Kinal:

Het leven is goed,
... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.

Zo is het maar net.

������ᠫ� ���...


--
Alexey V. Vissarionov aka Gremlin from Kremlin
gremlin.ru!gremlin; +vii-cmiii-cmlxxvii-mmxlviii

... GPG: 8832FE9FA791F7968AC96E4E909DAC45EF3B1FA8 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net
--- /bin/vi
* Origin: http://openwall.com/Owl (2:5020/545)

Hello Maurice!

22 May 18 10:57, you wrote to me:

... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.

Zo is het maar net.

Het is zeer krachtig, maar niet gemakkelijk te gebruiken. Ik moest leren zonder documentatie. :-/

Hopefully the above makes sense. ;-)

If your remark is about Vi, then it does. I have been using vi ever
since I got hold of the MKS toolkit for Dos. Later when linux was available,
it was my editor of choise. But even in these 20 years I have mastered less
then 10 commands. I suppose the same would have happened, had I chosen
emacs.

As far as documentation goes, donot you have access to the man pages.
I usually search for examples on the web. My main problem is that, as
answers are easy to find, I donot care to remember them.
I suppose that is age as well, short term memory goes first.

Kees

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5
* Origin: As for me, all I know is that, I know nothing. (2:280/5003.4)

Hallo Kees!

Hopefully the above makes sense. ;-)

If your remark is about Vi, then it does.

Yes it was but after thinking about it I realized it could also apply to life.

But even in these 20 years I have mastered less then 10 commands.

That sounds about right. I've been using it off and on for about 30 years now and started using it on Solaris. I used it to write manpages for in house programs. There wasn't much documentation for much of anything back then. Two
books I had were for C and Fortran for scientists and engineers. Nothing for vi that I ever saw until later on Linux for vim.

As far as documentation goes, donot you have access to the man
pages.

Now I do but not back when I was teaching myself C and Unix. Before that it was VAX/VMS which I had a 10-20 page typed document for. I had to learn that the hard way as well but had a bit of advantage as I had a book for Fortran which helped quite a bit. I wrote many utilities for retrieving and formatting
data to and from nine track tape drives and then later on for external scsi exabyte drives for Sparc stations.

I usually search for examples on the web.

There was no web back then. In fact I recall when the www first started. The first web interface I encountered was lynx on a dumb terminal and the html output on it was all screwed up due to the default 80 character width of lynx on a terminal that couldn't display it properly. I never understood the attraction of html until seeing the gui version on xwindows. I think it was mozilla but maybe an earlier form of it. It might come to me later.

I don't miss those days at all.

I suppose that is age as well, short term memory goes first.

Yes. I can relate to that as well as some long term memory such as what mozilla may or may not have been called before mozilla. :-/

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
--- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-bonnell-linux-gnu)
* Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint - Ladysmith BC, Canada (2:280/464.113)

On 05/22/2018 11:41 AM, Alexey Vissarionov -> Kees van Eeten wrote:

Good ${greeting_time}, Kees!

22 May 2018 12:29:40, you wrote to Maurice Kinal:

Het leven is goed,
... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.

Zo is het maar net.

Понаписали тут...

Life is good
don't cry for me I have vi..
So it is.

Your text will probably get distorted, but that is
a defficiency in my setup.

Regards,

Kees

---
* Origin: Fidonet!, isn't that something from the past? (2:280/5003.4)

Hello Maurice!

22 May 18 12:45, you wrote to me:

If your remark is about Vi, then it does.

Yes it was but after thinking about it I realized it could also apply to life.

The Dutch word for life is not as close to vi as the french word for life.

Now I do but not back when I was teaching myself C and Unix. Before that it was VAX/VMS which I had a 10-20 page typed document for. I had to

I did some work on a microvax, for some time. It had the TGV toolkit
installed. I think the toolkit was of Australian origin.

learn that the hard way as well but had a bit of advantage as I had a
book
for Fortran which helped quite a bit. I wrote many utilities for retrieving and formatting data to and from nine track tape drives and then later on for external scsi exabyte drives for Sparc stations.

I dir read Fortran and once did a conversion to the very rich Basic that
HP had on it's Desk calculators. These machines were very usefull in
laboratory automation, The were carefully called desktop calculator to
bypass IT departments for implementations where IT had no knowledge at all.

I usually search for examples on the web.

There was no web back then. In fact I recall when the www first started. The first web interface I encountered was lynx on a dumb terminal and the html output on it was all screwed up due to the default 80 character width of lynx on a terminal that couldn't display it properly. I never understood the attraction of html until seeing the gui version on xwindows. I think it was mozilla but maybe an earlier form of it. It might come to me later.

I saw my first web pages on a IBM terminal. The URL's were replaced by
numbers in the order, they were found on the visible page and selected by
typing the number. The were more URL type interfaces, one I remeber was gopher

I don't miss those days at all.

Only for the fact that I was young.

I suppose that is age as well, short term memory goes first.

Yes. I can relate to that as well as some long term memory such as what mozilla may or may not have been called before mozilla. :-/

It must have been Mosaic by Marc Andreessen

Kees

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5
* Origin: As for me, all I know is that, I know nothing. (2:280/5003.4)

Hallo Kees!

Понаписали тут...

Life is good
don't cry for me I have vi..
So it is.

Your text will probably get distorted, but that is
a defficiency in my setup.

Looks good from this angle except that Alexey's text was in CP866 whereas your quote of his is UTF-8. Your conversion matches exactly what I see when converting his original reply to you using 'iconv -f cp866'.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
--- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-bonnell-linux-gnu)
* Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint - Ladysmith BC, Canada (2:280/464.113)

Hallo Kees!

I did some work on a microvax

That sounds interesting. I am not sure what the mainframe was other than it was manufactured by DEC and there were a number of dumb terminals wired into it. The one I used faced a bank of 9 track tape drives so that I had easy access to them. ftp and rlogin were the main networking apps I used on VAX/VMS. Same with on Solaris later on except I think by that time telnet replaced rlogin.

I dir read Fortran and once did a conversion to the very rich
Basic that HP had on it's Desk calculators.

I never ran across Basic until later on when I bought my first PC, a 20MHz 386 with a 20M hard drive and a 2400 baud isa modem. I used to connect to the mainframe from home using that setup. Also could connect to two different Sparc stations as well over the phoneline from home. It was around that time I
encountered my first BBS.

one I remeber was gopher

I never used gopher but was aware of it back then. ftp and telnet were my mainstays even on X-Windows. Despite the gui interface I was still using the commandline and have been ever since up to and including today. My terminal is
a framebuffer linux terminal and I haven't bothered with xorg although I have used it off and on in the past. So far six tty's are all I have ever needed and probably only use four of them at any given moment, such as right now as we
speak.

Only for the fact that I was young.

There are days I will agree with the above.

It must have been Mosaic by Marc Andreessen

That sounds very familiar. I think you nailed it except I never heard of Marc Andreessen. Mind you I never really used html all that much back then. I still don't other than text browsers like lynx and links, mostly links. I used
to use lynx back in the 1990's and still keep it to do html -> text conversions
every now and then which is getting less and less these days.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
--- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-bonnell-linux-gnu)
* Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint - Ladysmith BC, Canada (2:280/464.113)

On 2018 May 22 01:37:38, you wrote to Maurice Kinal:

Anyhow I think the ascii rendering of "MSGID: 1:229/275 6f74f81b" is
infinetly better given it's default universality. I see absolutely no
gain with the 0xc4 character. Do you?

I'm not sure where that message can be found

right here in this echo... it is the misplaced BBS ad that started this whole thread...

)\/(ark

Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
... Computer programmers know how to use their hardware.
---
* Origin: (1:3634/12.73)

d8b 888 888
Y8P 888 888
888 888
888 88888b. 888888 .d88b. 888d888 88888b. 8888b. 888
888 888 "88b 888 d8P Y8b 888P" 888 "88b "88b 888
888 888 888 888 88888888 888 888 888 .d888888 888
888 888 888 Y88b. Y8b. 888 888 888 888 888 888
888 888 888 "Y888 "Y88888 888 888 888 "Y888888 888

888 d8b d8b
888 Y8P Y8P
888
.d88888 888 88888b.d88b. .d88b. 88888b. .d8888b 888 .d88b. 88888b.
d88" 888 888 888 "888 "88b d8P Y8b 888 "88b 88K 888 d88""88b 888 "88b
888 888 888 888 888 888 88888888 888 888 "Y8888b. 888 888 888 888 888
Y88b 888 888 888 888 888 Y8b. 888 888 X88 888 Y88..88P 888 888
"Y88888 888 888 888 888 "Y88888 888 888 88888P' 888 "Y88P" 888 888

mystic bbs 1.12 - pc/amiga/os2/console � idbbs.dlinkddns.com:59
amiganet 39:902/510 � agoranet 46:1/190 � dorenet 44:519/0 � fido 1:229/275
fsxnet 21:1/178 � pinet 314:314/20 � retronet 80:519/0

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A38 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: internal dimension + idbbs.dlinkddns.com + port 59 (1:229/275)

Very nice - now please go find a suitable echo for this kind of advertising.


--- NiKom v2.4.0
* Origin: Delta City (deltacity.se, Vallentuna, Sweden) (2:201/120.0)

Hi Internal!

What exactly does this have to do with Linux
Please stop posting contentless messages!

22 May 2018 23:59, from Internal Dimension -> All:

d8b 888 888
Y8P 888 888
888 888
888 88888b. 888888 .d88b. 888d888 88888b. 8888b. 888
888 888 "88b 888 d8P Y8b 888P" 888 "88b "88b 888
888 888 888 888 88888888 888 888 888 .d888888 888
888 888 888 Y88b. Y8b. 888 888 888 888 888 888
888 888 888 "Y888 "Y88888 888 888 888 "Y888888 888

888 d8b d8b
888 Y8P Y8P
888
.d88888 888 88888b.d88b. .d88b. 88888b. .d8888b 888 .d88b. 88888b. d88" 888 888 888 "888 "88b d8P Y8b 888 "88b 88K 888
d88""88b 888 "88b 888 888 888 888 888 888 88888888 888 888
"Y8888b. 888 888 888 888 888 Y88b 888 888 888 888 888 Y8b. 888
888 X88 888 Y88..88P 888 888
"Y88888 888 888 888 888 "Y88888 888 888 88888P' 888 "Y88P"
888 888

mystic bbs 1.12 - pc/amiga/os2/console - idbbs.dlinkddns.com:59
amiganet 39:902/510 - agoranet 46:1/190 - dorenet 44:519/0 - fido 1:229/275
fsxnet 21:1/178 - pinet 314:314/20 - retronet 80:519/0

CU, Ricsi

--- GoldED+/LNX
* Origin: Nothing's impossible to those who don't have to do it. (2:310/31)

Re: A Brand New Look!
By: mark lewis to Alan Ianson on Tue May 22 2018 07:42 pm

I'm not sure where that message can be found

right here in this echo... it is the misplaced BBS ad that started this whole thread...

Ahh! I see now.. ;)

I must have blew right by it in a new scan earlier.

Ttyl :-),
Al


... When I am right nobody remembers - When I am wrong nobody forgets!
--- SBBSecho 3.04-Linux
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757)

On 05/23/18, Richard Menedetter said the following...

What exactly does this have to do with Linux
Please stop posting contentless messages!

I'm guessing there was an echo restructuring over at Internal Dimension and they forgot to update the robot to use the new messagebase number. The same thing happened in the antivirus echo in March. I tried netmailing them but I'm not sure they ever got it because it didn't stop for another couple weeks.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A39 2018/04/21 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Subcarrier BBS (1:249/400)

d8b 888 888
Y8P 888 888
888 888
888 88888b. 888888 .d88b. 888d888 88888b. 8888b. 888
888 888 "88b 888 d8P Y8b 888P" 888 "88b "88b 888
888 888 888 888 88888888 888 888 888 .d888888 888
888 888 888 Y88b. Y8b. 888 888 888 888 888 888
888 888 888 "Y888 "Y88888 888 888 888 "Y888888 888

888 d8b d8b
888 Y8P Y8P
888
.d88888 888 88888b.d88b. .d88b. 88888b. .d8888b 888 .d88b. 88888b.
d88" 888 888 888 "888 "88b d8P Y8b 888 "88b 88K 888 d88""88b 888 "88b
888 888 888 888 888 888 88888888 888 888 "Y8888b. 888 888 888 888 888
Y88b 888 888 888 888 888 Y8b. 888 888 X88 888 Y88..88P 888 888
"Y88888 888 888 888 888 "Y88888 888 888 88888P' 888 "Y88P" 888 888

mystic bbs 1.12 - pc/amiga/os2/console � idbbs.dlinkddns.com:59
amiganet 39:902/510 � agoranet 46:1/190 � dorenet 44:519/0 � fido 1:229/275
fsxnet 21:1/178 � pinet 314:314/20 � retronet 80:519/0

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A38 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: internal dimension + idbbs.dlinkddns.com + port 59 (1:229/275)

On 2018 May 23 07:32:20, Joacim Melin wrote to Internal Dimension:

Very nice - now please go find a suitable echo for this kind of advertising.

following up to the ID BBS operator's real name as he's probably not using the bbs name as his account name...

)\/(ark

Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
... Everything depends. Nothing is always. Everything is sometimes.
---
* Origin: (1:3634/12.73)

Hi Static!

23 May 2018 22:15, from Static -> Richard Menedetter:

What exactly does this have to do with Linux
Please stop posting contentless messages!

I'm guessing there was an echo restructuring over at Internal
Dimension and they forgot to update the robot to use the new
messagebase number. The same thing happened in the antivirus echo in March. I tried netmailing them but I'm not sure they ever got it
because it didn't stop for another couple weeks.

I hope it will stop quicker in this case ;)

CU, Ricsi

--- GoldED+/LNX
* Origin: Warranty: Bold print giveth & fine print taketh away. (2:310/31)

Attention Internal Dimension,

Älska mig när jag minst av allt förtjänar det, för det är då jag behöver det som mest.

End transmission.

... Fudd's First Law of Opposition:
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.
--- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
* Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)

Attention Internal Dimension,

Ändamålet helgar medlen.

End transmission.

... Fudd's First Law of Opposition:
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.
--- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
* Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)

Attention Internal Dimension,

Äpplet faller inte långt från trädet.

End transmission.

... Fudd's First Law of Opposition:
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.
--- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
* Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)

WTF have you been smoking?


--- NiKom v2.4.0
* Origin: Delta City (deltacity.se, Vallentuna, Sweden) (2:201/120.0)

Attention Joacim Melin,

WTF have you been smoking?

0xc4 characters in iso8859-1. Doesn't everybody?

End transmission.

... Fudd's First Law of Opposition:
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.
--- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
* Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)

On 2018 May 24 02:38:48, I wrote to you:

Very nice - now please go find a suitable echo for this kind of
advertising.

following up to the ID BBS operator's real name as he's probably not using the bbs name as his account name...

i tried to send direct netmail but you have your mystic misconfigured to disallow non-secure connections in the binkp server... you need to change that because it prevents random systems from connecting with yours... for your secure connections, you only need to enable them in your linked echomail systems...

the above mentioned netmail was resent routed...

)\/(ark

Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
... Canada's parliament meets 60 miles SE of Bullies Acre.
---
* Origin: (1:3634/12.73)

d8b 888 888
Y8P 888 888
888 888
888 88888b. 888888 .d88b. 888d888 88888b. 8888b. 888
888 888 "88b 888 d8P Y8b 888P" 888 "88b "88b 888
888 888 888 888 88888888 888 888 888 .d888888 888
888 888 888 Y88b. Y8b. 888 888 888 888 888 888
888 888 888 "Y888 "Y88888 888 888 888 "Y888888 888

888 d8b d8b
888 Y8P Y8P
888
.d88888 888 88888b.d88b. .d88b. 88888b. .d8888b 888 .d88b. 88888b.
d88" 888 888 888 "888 "88b d8P Y8b 888 "88b 88K 888 d88""88b 888 "88b
888 888 888 888 888 888 88888888 888 888 "Y8888b. 888 888 888 888 888
Y88b 888 888 888 888 888 Y8b. 888 888 X88 888 Y88..88P 888 888
"Y88888 888 888 888 888 "Y88888 888 888 88888P' 888 "Y88P" 888 888

mystic bbs 1.12 - pc/amiga/os2/console � idbbs.dlinkddns.com:59
amiganet 39:902/510 � agoranet 46:1/190 � dorenet 44:519/0 � fido 1:229/275
fsxnet 21:1/178 � pinet 314:314/20 � retronet 80:519/0

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A38 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: internal dimension + idbbs.dlinkddns.com + port 59 (1:229/275)

* Carbon copied to Nick Andre 1:229/0

Hi Nick,

Can you contact Dave and make him stop spamming the LINUX area with these offtopic messages. This has be going on for a couple of days now, and trying to
contact him directly hasn't been succesfull untill now. Or maybe put his link to this area on hold for now, untill this is resolved? Thank you...


On 2018-05-24 23:59:21, Internal Dimension wrote to All:

@MSGID: 1:229/275 54bc3d49
@TID: Mystic BBS 1.12 A38
@TZUTC: -0400
d8b 888 888
Y8P 888 888
888 888
888 88888b. 888888 .d88b. 888d888 88888b. 8888b. 888
888 888 "88b 888 d8P Y8b 888P" 888 "88b "88b 888
888 888 888 888 88888888 888 888 888 .d888888 888
888 888 888 Y88b. Y8b. 888 888 888 888 888 888
888 888 888 "Y888 "Y88888 888 888 888 "Y888888 888

888 d8b d8b
888 Y8P Y8P
888
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888

888 888 Y88b 888 888 888 888 888 Y8b. 888 888 X88 888

Y88..88P

888 888
"Y88888 888 888 888 888 "Y88888 888 888 88888P' 888 "Y88P" 888 888

mystic bbs 1.12 - pc/amiga/os2/console � idbbs.dlinkddns.com:59
amiganet 39:902/510 � agoranet 46:1/190 � dorenet 44:519/0 � fido 1:229/275
fsxnet 21:1/178 � pinet 314:314/20 � retronet 80:519/0

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A38 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: internal dimension + idbbs.dlinkddns.com + port 59 (1:229/275) SEEN-BY: 103/705 123/1970 153/736 154/10 203/0 221/0 229/275 393 426 SEEN-BY: 229/452 616 240/1661 5832 249/206 400 280/464 5003 292/854 SEEN-BY: 310/31 322/757 423/120 633/280 712/848 770/1 2320/100 3828/7 SEEN-BY: 5020/545
@PATH: 229/275 426 280/464

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

On 25 May 18 09:30:33, Wilfred Van Velzen said the following to Nick Andre:

* Carbon copied to Nick Andre 1:229/0

Hi Nick,

Can you contact Dave and make him stop spamming the LINUX area with these offtopic messages. This has be going on for a couple of days now, and tryin to contact him directly hasn't been succesfull untill now. Or maybe put his link to this area on hold for now, untill this is resolved? Thank you...

I have Netmailed him about this.

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)

Hi Nick,

On 2018-05-25 04:04:09, you wrote to me:

Can you contact Dave and make him stop spamming the LINUX area with
these offtopic messages. This has be going on for a couple of days
now, and tryin to contact him directly hasn't been succesfull untill
now. Or maybe put his link to this area on hold for now, untill this
is resolved? Thank you...

I have Netmailed him about this.

Others have tried that too. But maybe he gives higher priority to netmails from
his NC? ;)

We'll see...

Thanks!

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Attention Internal Dimension,

Är det inte det ena så är det det andra, sa flickan som blödde näsblod.

End transmission.

... Fudd's First Law of Opposition:
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.
--- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
* Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)

Hi Nick!

25 May 2018 04:04, from Nick Andre -> Wilfred Van Velzen:

I have Netmailed him about this.

I mailed him as well.
No reaction until now.

CU, Ricsi

--- GoldED+/LNX
* Origin: Don't sneeze when someone is cutting your hair. (2:310/31)

Hi Little!

25 May 2018 08:53, from Little Mikey -> Internal Dimension:

|�r det inte det ena s|� |�r det det andra, sa flickan som bl|�dde n|�sblod.

What??

CU, Ricsi

--- GoldED+/LNX
* Origin: No Worf... the holodeck won't run Doom. (2:310/31)

Attention Richard Menedetter,

What??

What indeed.

For the record,

-={ <Esc>:r text_msg.utf8 }=-
Är det inte det ena så är det det andra, sa flickan som blödde näsblod.

-={ iconv -t LATIN-1 text_msg.utf8 }=-
iconv: conversion to `LATIN-1' is not supported
Try `iconv --help' or `iconv --usage' for more information.

Are you certain your editor isn't really iso-8859-1 (aka LATIN1) or perhaps cp1252, which is the Microsoft version of iso-8859-1 without the c1 control codes? It is impossible to tell given your quote of the original as well as the bogus "CHRS: LATIN-1 2" kludge. What is it *really*?

End transmission.

... Fudd's First Law of Opposition:
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.
--- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
* Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)

Hi Little!

25 May 2018 11:10, from Little Mikey -> Richard Menedetter:

What??

What indeed.

Sadly you did not answer the question.

For the record,

For the record.
Simply pasting iconv output does NOT answer the question.

Something like:
"I wrote him xxxx in language yyy" would have answered the question.
BTW. why did you write your reply in the echo and not as a netmail?
He seems to ignore the echo and netmails sent to him ...

If you must use the command line, please install trans and send me the output of
trans text_msg.utf8

https://www.ostechnix.com/use-google-translate-commandline-linux/

BTW you did not have a UTF8 Charset kludge in your message.

PS: Is Mikey and Maurice the same person?

-={ <Esc>:r text_msg.utf8 }=-
|�r det inte det ena s|� |�r det det andra, sa flickan som bl|�dde n|�sblod.

-={ iconv -t LATIN-1 text_msg.utf8 }=-
iconv: conversion to `LATIN-1' is not supported
Try `iconv --help' or `iconv --usage' for more information.

Are you certain your editor isn't really iso-8859-1 (aka LATIN1) or perhaps cp1252, which is the Microsoft version of iso-8859-1 without
the c1 control codes? It is impossible to tell given your quote of
the original as well as the bogus "CHRS: LATIN-1 2" kludge. What is
it *really*?

End transmission.

CU, Ricsi

--- GoldED+/LNX
* Origin: Every saint has a past and every sinner a future -Wilde (2:310/31)

Hi! Richard,

On 25 May 18 12:53, you wrote to Little Mikey:

25 May 2018 08:53, from Little Mikey -> Internal Dimension:

|�r det inte det ena s|� |�r det det andra, sa flickan som
bl|�dde n|�sblod.

What??

The Bing translator tells me that it's Swedish, which may or may not be correct. Anyway it apparently dribbles on about a girl supposedly with nodebleed, which may or may not be correct either.

How's the weather over there?

Cheers,
Paul.

... One good turn gets most of the blanket.
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20130515
* Origin: Quinn's Rock - Live from Paul's Xubuntu desktop! (3:640/1384)

Hi Little!

25 May 2018 11:10, from Little Mikey -> Richard Menedetter:

What??

What indeed.

After translation my question remains:

What??

CU, Ricsi

--- GoldED+/LNX
* Origin: A fool and his money are my best friends! (2:310/31)

Good ${greeting_time}, Nick!

25 May 2018 04:04:08, you wrote to Wilfred Van Velzen:

* Carbon copied to Nick Andre 1:229/0
Can you contact Dave and make him stop spamming the LINUX area

I have Netmailed him about this.

I guess you'd rather cut the echomail feed for that spammer first.


--
Alexey V. Vissarionov aka Gremlin from Kremlin
gremlin.ru!gremlin; +vii-cmiii-cmlxxvii-mmxlviii

... that's why I really dislike fools.
--- /bin/vi
* Origin: http://openwall.com/Owl (2:5020/545)

Hallo Richard!

I can speak for Little Mikey.

Sadly you did not answer the question.

What?? is not a question despite having two question marks. It is more of a statement of confusion if I am not mistaken.

"I wrote him xxxx in language yyy" would have answered the
question.

Ah! Why didn't you say so in the first place. The message was a Swedish proverb which translated to English is; "If it isn't one thing it's the other,"
said the girl with a nosebleed. I am not sure what the Austrian translation is.

If you must use the command line, please install trans and send
me the output of trans text_msg.utf8

Was ist trans? I tried looking it up but I get a different result than what you probably mean by trans. An url might be handy of where it can be located.

BTW you did not have a UTF8 Charset kludge in your message.

That is correct and you will probably never see one from that node until there is a legitimate one that actually represents reality and not some silliness dreamt up by a Fidonet developer who never bothered to do proper research.

Is Mikey and Maurice the same person?

Speaking for myself, no. Little Mikey isn't a person. However I will admit that Maurice on 1:153/7001 does post and recently does replies for Little Mikey. I think he does an excellent job.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
--- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-bonnell-linux-gnu)
* Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint - Ladysmith BC, Canada (2:280/464.113)

Hi Paul!

25 May 2018 22:22, from Paul Quinn -> Richard Menedetter:

25 May 2018 08:53, from Little Mikey -> Internal Dimension:

|�r det inte det ena s|� |�r det det andra, sa flickan som
bl|-dde n|�sblod.

What??

The Bing translator tells me that it's Swedish, which may or may not
be correct. Anyway it apparently dribbles on about a girl supposedly
with nodebleed, which may or may not be correct either.

The Google translator comes up with a similar meaning.
("If not, it's the other, said the girl who blew nose blood od.")

So either Google and Bing are crazy, or Maurice, or all three of them ;)

How's the weather over there?

Thanx ... rainy yesterday and today.
But I like it better than 30 degrees and sweating ;)

Hope all is well on your side too!

CU, Ricsi

--- GoldED+/LNX
* Origin: Don't put off for tomorrow what can be enjoyed today. (2:310/31)

On 25 May 18 15:50:50, Alexey Vissarionov said the following to Nick Andre:

Can you contact Dave and make him stop spamming the LINUX area

I have Netmailed him about this.

I guess you'd rather cut the echomail feed for that spammer first.

Uhh no, I wouldn't. I don't just cut feeds because someone tells me to.

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)

On 2018 May 25 10:16:40, you wrote to Alexey Vissarionov:

Can you contact Dave and make him stop spamming the LINUX area

I have Netmailed him about this.

I guess you'd rather cut the echomail feed for that spammer first.

Uhh no, I wouldn't. I don't just cut feeds because someone tells me to.

what if they ask? nicely or otherwise? ;)

)\/(ark

Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
... Groovy
---
* Origin: (1:3634/12.73)

On 25 May 18 13:44:34, Mark Lewis said the following to Nick Andre:

I guess you'd rather cut the echomail feed for that spammer first.

Uhh no, I wouldn't. I don't just cut feeds because someone tells me to

what if they ask? nicely or otherwise? ;)

Oh sure... people can ask; nicely or otherwise. ;)

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)

Hi! Richard,

On 05/25/2018 10:56 PM,you wrote:

How's the weather over there?

Thanx ... rainy yesterday and today.
But I like it better than 30 degrees and sweating ;)

Hope all is well on your side too!

Yes, thanks for asking. It's quite comfortable these days. We're in the last month of Autumn (no 'fall' here). Temps are generally 14-25C, with slight cloud cover. Winter will be beautiful! :)

Cheers,
Paul.

--- Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0
* Origin: 7 Days without pizza makes one week. (3:640/384.125)

Hello Nick!

25 May 18, Nick Andre wrote to Alexey Vissarionov:

I guess you'd rather cut the echomail feed for that spammer first.

Uhh no, I wouldn't. I don't just cut feeds because someone tells me
to.

Maybe you should think about the consequences. If you don't want to disconnect an amok running bot then the next step is that you could be disconnected instead.

I wouldn't do because other told me too, but i would do because it does makes sense.

Regards

Kai

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.4.7
* Origin: Monobox (2:240/77)

On 26 May 18 03:17:18, Kai Richter said the following to Nick Andre:

Maybe you should think about the consequences. If you don't want to disconn an amok running bot then the next step is that you could be disconnected instead.

I wouldn't do because other told me too, but i would do because it does mak sense.

I understand, but disconnecting a system, for me, is the "last resort", when all attempts at communication with the Sysop to resolve whatever issue has failed. The problem at hand is not severely disrupting the operation of the network, its a minor annoyance that for the time being, can be ignored by hitting the "Next" key.

What some folks don't understand, is that over the years my system has been the receiving-end of a few Netmails threatening all kinds of action if I
don't censor this user, that user, cut that systems feed, do as a moderator says, etc... mostly due to some political BS over the history of Net 229.

I was only recently notified of this problem, within the last 24 hours, and the suggestion was to cut the feed. Sorry, I am NOT dropping a system until I have sufficient reasonable time to work it out with him.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm sure I'm "off-topic" and this can
and will be dealt with by Netmail.

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)

Hey Nick!

I'm sure I'm "off-topic" and this can and will be dealt with by
Netmail.

Aw. You're no fun anymore. Little Mikey still has 8 Swedish proverbs starting
with the character Ä left in the queue. :-(

Besides that, Digital Dimensions generated more traffic in this echoarea that has been seen in ages. This is truly a sad day.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Don't cry for me I have vi.
--- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
* Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)

Hallo Maurice!

This is truly a sad day.

I can honestly say that I feel your pain.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
--- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-bonnell-linux-gnu)
* Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint - Ladysmith BC, Canada (2:280/464.113)

d8b 888 888
Y8P 888 888
888 888
888 88888b. 888888 .d88b. 888d888 88888b. 8888b. 888
888 888 "88b 888 d8P Y8b 888P" 888 "88b "88b 888
888 888 888 888 88888888 888 888 888 .d888888 888
888 888 888 Y88b. Y8b. 888 888 888 888 888 888
888 888 888 "Y888 "Y88888 888 888 888 "Y888888 888

888 d8b d8b
888 Y8P Y8P
888
.d88888 888 88888b.d88b. .d88b. 88888b. .d8888b 888 .d88b. 88888b.
d88" 888 888 888 "888 "88b d8P Y8b 888 "88b 88K 888 d88""88b 888 "88b
888 888 888 888 888 888 88888888 888 888 "Y8888b. 888 888 888 888 888
Y88b 888 888 888 888 888 Y8b. 888 888 X88 888 Y88..88P 888 888
"Y88888 888 888 888 888 "Y88888 888 888 88888P' 888 "Y88P" 888 888

mystic bbs 1.12 - pc/amiga/os2/console � idbbs.dlinkddns.com:59
amiganet 39:902/510 � agoranet 46:1/190 � dorenet 44:519/0 � fido 1:229/275
fsxnet 21:1/178 � pinet 314:314/20 � retronet 80:519/0

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A38 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: internal dimension + idbbs.dlinkddns.com + port 59 (1:229/275)

Attention Internal Dimension,

Är huvudet dumt får kroppen lida.

End transmission.

... Fudd's First Law of Opposition:
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.
--- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
* Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)

Hello Nick!

25 May 18, Nick Andre wrote to Kai Richter:

I understand, but disconnecting a system,

Oh, a misunderstanding. My fault, i answered to "cut out echomail feed".

for me, is the "last resort",

True and that's why i had "cut out echo LINUX temporarily" in my mind.

whatever issue has failed. The problem at hand is not severely
disrupting the operation of the network, its a minor annoyance that
for the time being, can be ignored by hitting the "Next" key.

Which time being? As far as i understood you have no idea how long this issue will be active, because there is no feedback from the sysop. I would agree if the status is work in progress, i.e. sysop is back on monday.

notified of this problem, within the last 24 hours, and the
suggestion was to cut the feed. Sorry, I am NOT dropping a system
until I have sufficient reasonable time to work it out with him.

I would agree, but as i said above, i don't see any work out yet.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm sure I'm "off-topic" and
this can and will be dealt with by Netmail.

Cause and effect. You can have some annoyed echomail users, offtopic echomals and inbound netmails, or you can have one sysop and maybe his downlinks missing
a few days some mails in the LINUX echo. Being *C is always annoying, the question is, how many do you want to annoy? ;)

Regards

Kai

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.4.7
* Origin: Monobox (2:240/77)

Hey Kai!

Isn't this up to the moderator? I have yet to see anyone here ask for a moderator's ruling on this issue. Having said this, please do not treat this reply as a request for moderator intervention in the matter at hand (cutting a feed).

While I am at it, don't you have a *C echo for discussion of the duties of *Cs?
Speaking as on of the most prolific posters in this fine and upstanding echoarea I find your discussion far more annoying than the orgin of your so-called annoyance. I am starting to suspect that you have an agenda here that has absolutely nothing to do with linux.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Don't cry for me I have vi.
--- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
* Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)

Quoting Kai Richter to Nick Andre <=-

Maybe you should think about the consequences. If you don't want to disconnect an amok running bot then the next step is that you could be disconnected instead.

I think you should be disconnected because you think fidonet is real life.
Please remember this is a hobby. Not every sysop is sitting at their
computer every minute of the day like you are with a HOBBY to make sure
nothing ever goes wrong.

I understand you are perfect as is Jesus Christ, so I'll pray to you
instead of Jesus as you're obviously one and the same.

"Lord Kai, I accidently programmed a batch file wrong, while I don't want
to burn in the fires of fidonet hell please forgive me and any other
member of net 229 who made a mistake. Please in your name Kai I pray
this."

Shawn

... Reputation: What others are not thinking about you.
--- Blue Wave/386
* Origin: A Tiny slice o pi (1:229/452.4)

d8b 888 888
Y8P 888 888
888 888
888 88888b. 888888 .d88b. 888d888 88888b. 8888b. 888
888 888 "88b 888 d8P Y8b 888P" 888 "88b "88b 888
888 888 888 888 88888888 888 888 888 .d888888 888
888 888 888 Y88b. Y8b. 888 888 888 888 888 888
888 888 888 "Y888 "Y88888 888 888 888 "Y888888 888

888 d8b d8b
888 Y8P Y8P
888
.d88888 888 88888b.d88b. .d88b. 88888b. .d8888b 888 .d88b. 88888b.
d88" 888 888 888 "888 "88b d8P Y8b 888 "88b 88K 888 d88""88b 888 "88b
888 888 888 888 888 888 88888888 888 888 "Y8888b. 888 888 888 888 888
Y88b 888 888 888 888 888 Y8b. 888 888 X88 888 Y88..88P 888 888
"Y88888 888 888 888 888 "Y88888 888 888 88888P' 888 "Y88P" 888 888

mystic bbs 1.12 - pc/amiga/os2/console � idbbs.dlinkddns.com:59
amiganet 39:902/510 � agoranet 46:1/190 � dorenet 44:519/0 � fido 1:229/275
fsxnet 21:1/178 � pinet 314:314/20 � retronet 80:519/0

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A38 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: internal dimension + idbbs.dlinkddns.com + port 59 (1:229/275)

Attention Internal Dimension,

Ärlighet varar längst.

End transmission.

... Fudd's First Law of Opposition:
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.
--- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
* Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)

Hi Maurice!

25 May 2018 12:41, from Maurice Kinal -> Richard Menedetter:

I can speak for Little Mikey.

That is good to know.
Can you please ask him why he posted a message in a nordic language again?
This is an english echo.
That means that people subscribed here can read english more or less.
That is not true for Swedish for the majority of echo participants.

Sadly you did not answer the question.

What?? is not a question despite having two question marks.
It is more of a statement of confusion if I am not mistaken.

Let me rephrase then ... you did not muh to lessen the confusion.

"I wrote him xxxx in language yyy" would have answered the
question.

Ah! Why didn't you say so in the first place. The message was a
Swedish proverb which translated to English is; "If it isn't one thing it's the other," said the girl with a nosebleed. I am not sure what
the Austrian translation is.

Can you ask Mikey why he posted a swedish proverb in an english echo?

If you must use the command line, please install trans and send
me the output of trans text_msg.utf8

Was ist trans? I tried looking it up but I get a different result
than what you probably mean by trans. An url might be handy of where
it can be located.

I provided an URL.
I copy it here again for your benefit: https://www.ostechnix.com/use-google-translate-commandline-linux/

But it should NOT be necessary to use a translation utility to English in an English echo!!

Is Mikey and Maurice the same person?

Speaking for myself, no. Little Mikey isn't a person. However I will admit that Maurice on 1:153/7001 does post and recently does replies
for Little Mikey. I think he does an excellent job.

Why not make a local echo for Little Mikey where he can post as many swedish proverbs as it wants?
I would prefer if it stopped posting here!

CU, Ricsi

--- GoldED+/LNX
* Origin: Emotion vs logic? Emotion always wins. (2:310/31)

Hi Nick!

25 May 2018 21:55, from Nick Andre -> Kai Richter:

I understand, but disconnecting a system, for me, is the "last
resort", when all attempts at communication with the Sysop to resolve whatever issue has failed.

I agree.
But obviously the attempts at communication failed.
Many people wrote netmails and echomails, but no reaction.
So it seems that the sysop is away or busy.

So as a temporary measure until the sysop changes his faulty configuration, I would think it is a good idea to halt his feed.

When he is back, he will see the netmails, correct his config, and after that his feed could resume.

My 2 cents.

CU, Ricsi

--- GoldED+/LNX
* Origin: CTRL+ALT+DEL to remove this tagline. (2:310/31)

On 27 May 18 11:07:12, Richard Menedetter said the following to Nick Andre:

So as a temporary measure until the sysop changes his faulty configuration, would think it is a good idea to halt his feed.

(Sigh)

There is more traffic in this echo than there has been in awhile, and I'm learning something new about Swedes along the way.

I tried to gracefully end this topic so you all can go back to your lively, busy, intense discussions here.

Maybe someone can explain, logically, step-by-step, with colorful crayons because apparently I am not intelligent enough to understand how Dave's system is disrupting the operation of the network or causing such undue stress that I have to have now SEVERAL Netmails sent to me by people wanting his feed cut.

Those of you who are offended by his posts and cannot wait patiently for a resolution; can you maybe logically explain to me step-by-step with colorful crayons why your "Next" key is malfunctioning?

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)

Hallo Richard!

I provided an URL.
I copy it here again for your benefit: https://www.ostechnix.com/use-google-translate-commandline-linux/

Apologies. I looked back and I see it now. Thank you.

I changed the name of the file containing the proverb to proverb.utf8 for this test.

-={ trans -identify -no-ansi -i proverb.utf8 }=-
Svenska
Name Swedish
Family Indo-European
Writing system Latin
Code sv
ISO 639-3 swe
SIL http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=swe Glottolog http://glottolog.org/resource/languoid/id/swed1254 Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_language

-={ trans -no-ansi -i proverb.utf8 }=-
Är det inte det ena så är det det andra, sa flickan som blödde näsblod.

If it's not one, it's the other, said the girl who blew nose blood.

Translations of Är det inte det ena så är det det andra, sa flickan som blödde näsblod.
[ Svenska -> English ]

Är det inte det ena så är det det andra, sa flickan som blödde näsblod.
If it's not one, it's the other, said the girl who blew nose blood., Is not
that one, it's the second, said the girl who had a nosebleed.

It gets the language right but the translation leaves something to be desired.
Not too bad all things considered. Given the output above I'm going to come up
with a better way to differentiate commandline outputs from the rest of the message. It is a work in progress.

I would prefer if it stopped posting here!

Duly noted. I'd advise you make out a formal complaint to the moderator as it is highly unlikey Little Mikey will respond to your request.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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On 2018 May 27 11:07:12, you wrote to Nick Andre:

So as a temporary measure until the sysop changes his faulty configuration, I would think it is a good idea to halt his feed.

not his whole feed, though... just this echo... turn this echo off in his areafix and turn it back on when he has corrected the problem and removed posts
his bot made while disconnected... areafix works both ways so a feed hub can also turn areas on and off at his downlinks if needed ;)

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Hello Shawn!

26 May 18, Shawn Highfield wrote to Kai Richter:

I think you should be disconnected because you think fidonet is real
life.

It does not look like you did understand what i think.

Please remember this is a hobby. Not every sysop is sitting at their computer every minute of the day like you are with a HOBBY to make
sure nothing ever goes wrong.

I do know. Let us wear exactly that shoes. If your system is running wrong and spamming into a discussion echo wouldn't you be happy if someone helps you to minimize the annoyance of others? I would be happy if my uplink set that echo on hold, informs me via netmail, let me fix the problem, wipes the unwanted mails from his badmail and reconnects the feed. That is my point of view of doing a hobby together, helping each other if things went wrong, minimizing the
effects for the network.

I don't see the benefit of defending a spamming system, let it continue the spam, and attacking those who are asking to stop it.

And did you noticed the hidden joke? The mail path is short, if Nick is disconnected then it's like everybody here is being disconnected, because i have the power to disconnect you all by sending -linux to my areafix. Your "you
should be disconnected" is close to the situation i described. The result is that you are the seperating force, acting in a way that moves others to leave, which is not my intention.

Best Regards

Kai

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Attention Richard Menedetter,

Can you ask Mikey why he posted a swedish proverb in an english
echo?

Because it (they) were the only text that could be readily found starting with the letter Ä. That particular character doesn't exist in the English language.

Since you appear to favour English how is this instead? - Wide ne biþ wel, cwæþ se þe gehyrde on helle hriman.

Also this should interest you;

-={ trans -no-ansi "Wide ne biþ wel, cwæþ se þe gehyrde on helle hriman." }=-
Wide ne biþ wel, cwæþ se þe gehyrde on helle hriman.

Wide neither, cwæþ se hans gehyrde on helle hriman.

Translations of Wide ne biþ wel, cwæþ se þe gehyrde on helle hriman.
[ Norsk -> English ]

Wide ne biþ wel, cwæþ se þe gehyrde on helle hriman.
Wide neither, cwæþ se hans gehyrde on helle hriman., Wide ne Bith wel, cwæþ see The gehyrde on pouring hriman.
-={ End of commandline output }=-

Note it misidentifies it as Norsk although it is a tough one to identify given that Old English has fallen out of usage for around 1000 years, give or take a couple hundred years.

For the record the experts translate it to modern English as; Things are bad everywhere, said the man who heard wailing in hell.

End transmission.

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Hi Maurice!

27 May 2018 12:17, from Maurice Kinal -> Richard Menedetter:

I provided an URL.
I copy it here again for your benefit:
https://www.ostechnix.com/use-google-translate-commandline-linux/

Apologies. I looked back and I see it now. Thank you.

No problem.

I would prefer if it stopped posting here!

Duly noted.
I'd advise you make out a formal complaint to the moderator as it is highly unlikey Little Mikey will respond to your request.

A formal complaint will not be necessary.
The solution is quit easy, if the SPAM outweights the HAM I will simply unsubscribe.

But maybe you can forward a request to Mikey.
Why does he think it is a good idea to post poems in a language that most participants do not understand in this echo?
I am genuinely wondering.

CU, Ricsi

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Hi mark!

27 May 2018 13:30, from mark lewis -> Richard Menedetter:

So as a temporary measure until the sysop changes his faulty
configuration, I would think it is a good idea to halt his feed.

not his whole feed, though... just this echo... turn this echo off in
his areafix and turn it back on when he has corrected the problem and removed posts his bot made while disconnected... areafix works both
ways so a feed hub can also turn areas on and off at his downlinks if needed ;)

Sorry ... english is not my native language.
What I meant is exactly that, and only for echos where he sends the misaddressed mails to.

The good thing is that the script has been stopped.
The bad thing is that nobody knows what caused it, and that it can happen with that software again at any point in time.

CU, Ricsi

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Hi Little!

28 May 2018 12:26, from Little Mikey -> Richard Menedetter:

Can you ask Mikey why he posted a swedish proverb in an english
echo?

Because it (they) were the only text that could be readily found
starting with the letter |�

I do not see the connection of that particular letter to anything in this echo. I do understand that you and/or Mikey have a fetish for that letter.
I do not share that fetish, and I will end the discussion of foreign proverbs in the linux echo.

Also this should interest you;

That assumption is wrong.
Quit the contrary!

CU, Ricsi

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Hallo Richard!

Why does he think it is a good idea to post poems in a language
that most participants do not understand in this echo?

It has to do with the 0xc4 character which in latin1 is the Ä character. This
particular character doesn't exist in English so Swedish proverbs starting with
Ä were chosen instead and a queue of them was generated for Little Mikey to post every time Digital Distortions posted it's ascii art, which really wasn't ascii art given the non-ascii character 0xc4 which is an 8 bit character instead of 7 bit which all ascii characters are. However Digital Distortions quit posting before the queue was emptied so it got deleted. Also Little Mikey
isn't a 'he' it is an 'it' instead. As far as I know computers don't have genders.

I am genuinely wondering.

So am I about what the fsck LATIN-1 really is. You seem to have genuinely dodged that question.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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On 2018 Jun 01 10:22:22, you wrote to Maurice Kinal:

But maybe you can forward a request to Mikey. Why does he think it is
a good idea to post poems in a language that most participants do not understand in this echo? I am genuinely wondering.

he's testing UTF-8 to see how it traverses fidonet and to see if it is properly
displayed on the other end...

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Hi Maurice!

02 Jun 2018 11:28, from Maurice Kinal -> Richard Menedetter:

It has to do with the 0xc4 character

I fail to see the relevance of the 0xc4 character to this echo ;)

This particular character doesn't exist in English so
Swedish proverbs starting with |� were chosen instead and a queue of
them was generated for Little Mikey to post every time Digital
Distortions posted it's ascii art

So basically a SPAM amplification attack.

So am I about what the fsck LATIN-1 really is.
You seem to have genuinely dodged that question.

LATIN-1 is an alias for ISO 8859-1.

BTW: fsck as in filesystem check

CU, Ricsi

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Hi mark!

03 Jun 2018 03:21, from mark lewis -> Richard Menedetter:

But maybe you can forward a request to Mikey. Why does he think
it is a good idea to post poems in a language that most
participants do not understand in this echo? I am genuinely
wondering.

he's testing UTF-8 to see how it traverses fidonet and to see if it is properly displayed on the other end...

That is all great.
There are just 3 points I do not understand:
1) why does testing frequency depend on the frequency of mails generated by a script that went haywire from a different node
2) there is a UTF-8 echo where such testing would fit much better than here why
not post it there
3) why was the test not prepanded by an explanation detailing what the test is all about

Also I would assume that such a test will not deliver much news.
All sane tossers will push the mail text unmodified.
Very view editors will display the extended characters correctly.

CU, Ricsi

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Hallo Richard!

LATIN-1 is an alias for ISO 8859-1.

Wrong. LATIN1 is an alias for ISO 8859-1, amongst other aliases none of which are LATIN-1.

-={ grep ISO-8859-1// /usr/lib/gconv/gconv-modules }=-
alias ISO-IR-100// ISO-8859-1//
alias ISO_8859-1:1987// ISO-8859-1//
alias ISO_8859-1// ISO-8859-1//
alias ISO8859-1// ISO-8859-1//
alias ISO88591// ISO-8859-1//
alias LATIN1// ISO-8859-1//
alias L1// ISO-8859-1//
alias IBM819// ISO-8859-1//
alias CP819// ISO-8859-1//
alias CSISOLATIN1// ISO-8859-1//
alias 8859_1// ISO-8859-1//
alias OSF00010001// ISO-8859-1//
module ISO-8859-1// INTERNAL ISO8859-1 1 module INTERNAL ISO-8859-1// ISO8859-1 1

The above can be verified by iana.org, and if you search their data base for LATIN-1 will show it doesn't exist. The closest I can find at iana.org are ISO-8859-1-Windows-3.0-Latin-1 (alias csWindows30Latin1) and ISO-8859-1-Windows-3.1-Latin-1 (alias csWindows31Latin1). I did find some unofficial claims that LATIN-1 is an alias fo CP1252 but those cannot be verified by any credible reference.

-={ grep CP1252// /usr/lib/gconv/gconv-modules }=-
alias MS-ANSI// CP1252//
alias WINDOWS-1252// CP1252//
module CP1252// INTERNAL CP1252 1 module INTERNAL CP1252// CP1252 1

iana.org lists it as windows-1252 with only one alias cswindows1252. No mention of LATIN-1 as an alias of anything, nevermind ISO 8859-1.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Hi Maurice!

04 Jun 2018 12:40, from Maurice Kinal -> Richard Menedetter:

LATIN-1 is an alias for ISO 8859-1.

Wrong. LATIN1 is an alias for ISO 8859-1, amongst other aliases none
of which are LATIN-1.

The fact that it is not mentioned as a gconv-module does not make my statement wrong for Fidonet.
Take a look at FTS5003 http://ftsc.org/docs/fts-5003.001

"Level 2 character sets (eight-bit, ASCII based) LATIN-1 ISO 8859-1 (Western European)"
As of why it was named LATIN-1 instead of LATIN1 I do not know.
But it makes it absolutely clear what LATIN-1 means in the context of Fidonet.

The above can be verified by iana.org

The above can be verified for the Fidonet context on ftsc.org
CU, Ricsi

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Hallo Richard!

Take a look at FTS5003 http://ftsc.org/docs/fts-5003.001

I was waiting for you to bring that up. The FTSC is not an official body in this case since it holds no claim to any character set or encoding. Also of interest under "4. Known character set identifiers" of that document are other misidentified character sets along with at least one that doesn't exist in any official list of character sets. That document is seriously flawed.

I noticed you say in a reply to mark lewis;

Very view editors will display the extended characters correctly.

No sh*t!!! Anyhow vim has absolutely no problems with CORRECTLY identified character sets including LATIN1. ;-)

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Hi Maurice!

04 Jun 2018 13:52, from Maurice Kinal -> Richard Menedetter:

Take a look at FTS5003 http://ftsc.org/docs/fts-5003.001

I was waiting for you to bring that up.
The FTSC is not an official body in this case since it holds no claim
to any character set or encoding.

It defines a fidonet kludge, and clearly states what character set it should be
encoded/decoded to.
The character set in this case is "ISO 8859-1 (Western European)"
ISO is a standards organization that DOES standardize character encodings.

It is pretty clear to me.
And maybe you too also have the imagination to delete the dash in your mind.

Let us not debate as of why they inserted the dash there ... it is like it is.

I noticed you say in a reply to mark lewis;

Very view editors will display the extended characters correctly.

No sh*t!!! Anyhow vim has absolutely no problems with CORRECTLY identified character sets including LATIN1. ;-)

As you know very well, the problem is not with identifying the character set. (actually the UTF-8 CHRS kludge is defined and would be perfectly fine to identify the charset.)
The problem is that most software was written before UTF-8 was defined.
So what we need is an editor that supports UTF-8.
But even if we have that ... this would mean that all others still see garbage.

For English/German LATIN(-)1 covers the bases.
(I am also speaking Hungarian that would require LATIN(-)2 ... but I have nobody left in Fidonet that speaks that language ... end even if there were somebody I mostly omit long vocals, so that LATIN(-)1 would be sufficient there.

CU, Ricsi

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Hallo Richard!

ISO is a standards organization that DOES standardize character
encodings.

Yes they do. Not only that they register all the proper aliases, including for
iso-8859-1.

And maybe you too also have the imagination to delete the dash in
your mind.

I am not a tosser nor an editor. As of this writing neither of the computers I
am currently deploying have the imagination to delete anything other than what they are programmed to delete. Both have access to iconv to convert back and forth to utf-8 when required but since the 8 bit encodings cannot be readily identified, as well as misidentification by well meaning FTSC types, they stick
to utf-8 which they can readily identify;

-={ echo "A Møøse once bit my sister ..." | file -b - }=-
UTF-8 Unicode text

The same will not work with 8 bit encodings which is why a kludge is required.
However a kludge is most often wrong or poorly identified such as LATIN-1.

For the record ascii is fine;

-={ echo "A Moose once bit my sister ..." | file -b - }=-
ASCII text

:-)

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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On 2018 Jun 04 14:29:54, you wrote to me:

But maybe you can forward a request to Mikey. Why does he think it
is a good idea to post poems in a language that most participants do
not understand in this echo? I am genuinely wondering.

he's testing UTF-8 to see how it traverses fidonet and to see if it
is properly displayed on the other end...

That is all great.
There are just 3 points I do not understand:
1) why does testing frequency depend on the frequency of mails generated

by

a script that went haywire from a different node

why does the frequency of hearing a fire engine's siren depend on the frequency
of fires?

2) there is a UTF-8 echo where such testing would fit much better than here why not post it there

that echo has a limited horizon... it is not the ones that have and can do UTF-8 that are being tested...

3) why was the test not prepanded by an explanation detailing what the test is all about

why is there not a huge radio and TV broadcast about fire engines before they leave the fire station to go deal with fires?

Also I would assume that such a test will not deliver much news.

that's up to the one running the test and collecting the results...

All sane tossers will push the mail text unmodified.

the tosser are not in question...

Very view editors will display the extended characters correctly.

it isn't just editors in question... apparently you haven't been following maurice and mikey for very long... some of us have been following them for decades ;)

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Hi Maurice!

04 Jun 2018 15:28, from Maurice Kinal -> Richard Menedetter:

However a kludge is most often wrong or poorly identified such as
LATIN-1.

I agree that having widely available UTF-8 support in Fidonet software would be
very nice.
Sadly that is not the case.
Most software used is incapable of displaying UTF-8 characters correctly. (Mostly due to the software being written before UTF-8 was standardized.)

And the kludge
@CHRS: LATIN-1 2
is NOT poorly identified, it is clearly stated that this character set is to be
used:
"ISO 8859-1 (Western European)"

CU, Ricsi

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Hallo Richard!

Most software used is incapable of displaying UTF-8 characters
correctly.

True. However using that as an excuse to hold others back who are willing and capable to do what it takes to progess the network would be a shame to say the least.

(Mostly due to the software being written before UTF-8 was
standardized.)

Not true. UTF-8 has been around for decades now. Definetly long before golded+.

Speaking for myself, I started using UTF-8 for only the last few years and before that only used ascii (the real 7 bit ascii) which for the mostpart I am still using. This particular reply is pure ascii.

is NOT poorly identified, it is clearly stated that this
character set is to be used:
"ISO 8859-1 (Western European)"

I've seen it and have also seen it being misrepresented, buggy (such as the examples I posted lately), and sometimes just plain wrong. Also within this particular ehoarea there might be more CP866 based posters than there are ISO 8859-1 posters, not to mention the true DOS-think CP437 people. :::shudder:::

UTF-8 is the only universal encoding.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Hello Richard!

10 Jun 2018 20:38, Richard Menedetter wrote to Maurice Kinal:

However a kludge is most often wrong or poorly identified such as
LATIN-1.

+1

I agree that having widely available UTF-8 support in Fidonet software would be very nice.

we live with old 8bit standards from commodore 64 still, if computers was 32bit
at the first ones, we would not need any kind of stupid encoding standards :)

Sadly that is not the case.

+1

Most software used is incapable of displaying UTF-8 characters
correctly.

so atleast show it as 7bit would not be a fail

(Mostly due to the software being written before UTF-8 was
standardized.)

fidonet software could indeed be writed to use html, yark ?, i think not if we all rethink why

And the kludge
@CHRS: LATIN-1 2
is NOT poorly identified, it is clearly stated that this character set
is to be used:
"ISO 8859-1 (Western European)"

or keep what is supported in very long time


Regards Benny

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Hi Benny!

10 Jun 2018 23:48, from Benny Pedersen -> Richard Menedetter:

Most software used is incapable of displaying UTF-8 characters
correctly.

so atleast show it as 7bit would not be a fail

It should show it correctly.
The first 127 characters of ASCII and UTF-8 are identical.
And the first 256 characters of UTF8 are defined with backwards compatibility with ISO 8859-1 in mind.

CU, Ricsi

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