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    From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Richard Menedetter on Monday, June 11, 2018 09:55:00
    In a message on 06-10-18 Richard Menedetter said to Maurice Kinal:

    Good evening Richard,

    I have configured my editor to assume CP850 (DOS Latin1) charset,

    Excuse me for dropping in, but CP850 is named "Multilingual",
    not Latin1, in the litterature I have available.

    Latin 1, or as you call it Latin?, comes in the ISO 8859-? code pages.


    Have a good night,

    Holger


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  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to Holger Granholm on Tuesday, June 12, 2018 10:42:34
    Hi Holger!

    11 Jun 2018 09:55, from Holger Granholm -> Richard Menedetter:

    I have configured my editor to assume CP850 (DOS Latin1) charset,
    Excuse me for dropping in, but CP850 is named "Multilingual",
    not Latin1, in the litterature I have available.

    https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc195064.aspx
    Microsoft calls it "Code Page 850 MS-DOS Latin 1"

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Richard Menedetter on Tuesday, June 12, 2018 12:53:58
    Hallo Richard!

    Microsoft calls it "Code Page 850 MS-DOS Latin 1"

    Given this is the LINUX echo and that the vast majority of linux systems are glibc based, then this should take precedence;

    -={ grep "IBM850//" /usr/lib/gconv/gconv-modules }=-
    alias CP850// IBM850//
    alias 850// IBM850//
    alias CSPC850MULTILINGUAL// IBM850//
    alias OSF10020352// IBM850//
    module IBM850// INTERNAL IBM850 1 module INTERNAL IBM850// IBM850 1

    Looks to me that IBM should be the goto guys as far as what CP850 should be called and the only hit I could come up with that might help settle the issue is;

    https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSQ2R2_9.1.1/com.ibm.etools.cbl.win.doc/topics/rlinfcpg.htm

    However I cannot access it since it requires javascript and I do not have a browser that supports javascript and I have no plans to ever have a browser with javascript capabilities. For the record the Microsoft link you gave worked fine without javascript. Also I have no plans to convert or ever use CP850 so it really doesn't matter what it is really called, or if it even matters in the grand scheme of things. IBM can keep it.

    Stinkin' IBM.

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

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  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Maurice Kinal on Wednesday, June 13, 2018 07:50:50
    Hello Maurice!

    12 Jun 2018 12:53, Maurice Kinal wrote to Richard Menedetter:

    Hallo Richard!

    Microsoft calls it "Code Page 850 MS-DOS Latin 1"

    Given this is the LINUX echo and that the vast majority of linux
    systems are glibc based, then this should take precedence;

    -={ grep "IBM850//" /usr/lib/gconv/gconv-modules }=-
    alias CP850// IBM850//
    alias 850// IBM850//
    alias CSPC850MULTILINGUAL// IBM850//
    alias OSF10020352// IBM850//
    module IBM850// INTERNAL IBM850 1
    module INTERNAL IBM850// IBM850 1

    ----- LATIN begins -----
    alias LATIN1// ISO-8859-1//
    alias CSISOLATIN1// ISO-8859-1//
    alias LATIN2// ISO-8859-2//
    alias CSISOLATIN2// ISO-8859-2//
    alias LATIN3// ISO-8859-3//
    alias CSISOLATIN3// ISO-8859-3//
    alias LATIN4// ISO-8859-4//
    alias CSISOLATIN4// ISO-8859-4//
    alias CSISOLATINCYRILLIC// ISO-8859-5//
    alias CSISOLATINARABIC// ISO-8859-6//
    alias CSISOLATINGREEK// ISO-8859-7//
    alias CSISOLATINHEBREW// ISO-8859-8//
    alias LATIN5// ISO-8859-9//
    alias CSISOLATIN5// ISO-8859-9//
    alias LATIN6// ISO-8859-10//
    alias CSISOLATIN6// ISO-8859-10//
    alias LATIN7// ISO-8859-13//
    alias LATIN8// ISO-8859-14//
    alias LATIN-9// ISO-8859-15//
    alias LATIN9// ISO-8859-15//
    alias LATIN10// ISO-8859-16//
    alias ISO-IR-19// LATIN-GREEK//
    alias CSISO19LATINGREEK// LATIN-GREEK//
    alias LATINGREEK// LATIN-GREEK//
    module LATIN-GREEK// INTERNAL LATIN-GREEK 1 module INTERNAL LATIN-GREEK// LATIN-GREEK 1
    alias ISO-IR-27// LATIN-GREEK-1//
    alias CSISO27LATINGREEK1// LATIN-GREEK-1//
    alias LATINGREEK1// LATIN-GREEK-1//
    module LATIN-GREEK-1// INTERNAL LATIN-GREEK-1 1 module INTERNAL LATIN-GREEK-1// LATIN-GREEK-1 1
    alias CSPC862LATINHEBREW// IBM862//
    alias OS2LATIN1// IBM1004//
    ----- LATIN ends -----

    is much more what is in use on fidonet

    Looks to me that IBM should be the goto guys as far as what CP850
    should be called and the only hit I could come up with that might help settle the issue is;

    ibm breaked alot of codepage imho when the battle was done with compaq and other firms belive to have a solved problem solved, we all know today its not solved, not even for fidonet to see multibyte solutions to a single byte computer system like commodore 64

    https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSQ2R2_9.1.1/com.ibm.et ools.cbl.win.doc/topics/rlinfcpg.htm

    However I cannot access it since it requires javascript and I do not
    have a browser that supports javascript

    who breaked this for you ? :)

    and I have no plans to ever
    have a browser with javascript capabilities.

    +1

    For the record the
    Microsoft link you gave worked fine without javascript.

    if just webmasters do a better job, GDPR would never be needed

    Also I have
    no plans to convert or ever use CP850 so it really doesn't matter what
    it is really called, or if it even matters in the grand scheme of
    things. IBM can keep it.

    +1

    Stinkin' IBM.

    fun things is you showed ibm


    Regards Benny

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  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Benny Pedersen on Wednesday, June 13, 2018 12:17:58
    Hallo Benny!

    is much more what is in use on fidonet

    If you would have grep'ped for LATIN-1 instead the list would have been less (zero) then what is used in fidonet, although I am still not convinced that those who claim to be using it actually are ... especially considering that it doesn't really exist.

    who breaked this for you ? :)

    Nobody. I never used javascript, nevermind IBM's version of javascript. What for? Same with java which last time I looked Google was listing as the number one app producer which probably explains why there are exactly zero Google apps
    here. I use their search engine but that doesn't require javascript or a java application to work ... or at least at my end.

    fun things is you showed ibm

    I seriously doubt they are listening.

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

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  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Maurice Kinal on Wednesday, June 13, 2018 20:48:22
    Hello Maurice!

    13 Jun 2018 12:17, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    If you would have grep'ped for LATIN-1 instead the list would have
    been less (zero) then what is used in fidonet, although I am still not convinced that those who claim to be using it actually are ...
    especially considering that it doesn't really exist.

    if i did that you would have sayed not all use latin :)

    who breaked this for you ? :)
    Nobody. I never used javascript, nevermind IBM's version of
    javascript.

    ibm javascript is what google uses ? :)

    What for? Same with java which last time I looked Google
    was listing as the number one app producer which probably explains why there are exactly zero Google apps here.

    a android app that create javascripts malware ?

    I use their search engine
    but that doesn't require javascript or a java application to work ...
    or at least at my end.

    bravo, html does not need anything other then aweb on amiga, or some other textmode browser on amiga will do

    fun things is you showed ibm
    I seriously doubt they are listening.

    i wont care if thay do, and learn :)

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

    indeed


    Regards Benny

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  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Benny Pedersen on Wednesday, June 13, 2018 21:10:47
    Hallo Benny!

    if i did that you would have sayed not all use latin :)

    No but instead I would have wondered what your msged uses as LATIN-1 given that
    it doesn't really exist including the list you provided. ;-)

    ibm javascript is what google uses ? :)

    Not that I am aware of. As for java I think they were using Oracle's version which they bought from Sun when they went out of business. I know there was a lawsuit against Google ages ago over licencing issues.

    a android app that create javascripts malware ?

    Again not that I am aware of. I don't use any javascript up to including any javascript apps from Google.

    bravo, html does not need anything other then aweb on amiga, or
    some other textmode browser on amiga will do

    Agreed. Here I mostly use the links browser but still occasionally use lynx. Not as much as I use to but I still have it available.

    i wont care if thay do, and learn :)

    Sure why not? ;-)

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Richard Menedetter on Wednesday, June 13, 2018 09:40:00
    In a message on 06-12-18 Richard Menedetter said to Holger Granholm:

    GM Ricsi,

    Excuse me for dropping in, but CP850 is named "Multilingual",
    not Latin1, in the litterature I have available.

    https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc195064.aspx
    Microsoft calls it "Code Page 850 MS-DOS Latin 1"

    Well, this is the first time I see Latin 1 mentioned in connection with
    a DOS (PC8, PC-DOS, ASCII or High ASCII) code page.

    What does M$ call CP437 then????


    Have a nice day,

    Holger


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  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to Holger Granholm on Thursday, June 14, 2018 09:42:58
    Hi Holger!

    13 Jun 2018 09:40, from Holger Granholm -> Richard Menedetter:

    https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc195064.aspx
    Microsoft calls it "Code Page 850 MS-DOS Latin 1"
    Well, this is the first time I see Latin 1 mentioned in connection
    with a DOS (PC8, PC-DOS, ASCII or High ASCII) code page.

    I have seen it multiple times.

    What does M$ call CP437 then????

    You would have been able to answer your own question with the link I sent you above:

    "Code Page 437 MS-DOS Latin US"

    That is an alias I did not hear/read before either ;)

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Richard Menedetter on Friday, June 15, 2018 20:53:00
    In a message on 06-14-18 Richard Menedetter said to Holger Granholm:

    Hi Ricsi,

    https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc195064.aspx
    Microsoft calls it "Code Page 850 MS-DOS Latin 1"

    What does M$ call CP437 then????

    You would have been able to answer your own question with the link I
    sent you above:

    "Code Page 437 MS-DOS Latin US"

    Heh, heh, I have never trusted M$ and the only reason I have a couple of Windows machines is that they have been thrown at me.

    That is an alias I did not hear/read before either ;)

    Nor have I.
    Latin any number doesn't belong to the ASCII, DOS or PC8 code pages.


    CU L8ER, Sam, OH0NC

    aka Holger


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  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Holger Granholm on Sunday, June 17, 2018 15:28:52
    Hello Holger!

    15 Jun 2018 20:53, Holger Granholm wrote to Richard Menedetter:

    Heh, heh, I have never trusted M$ and the only reason I have a couple
    of Windows machines is that they have been thrown at me.

    and thats not just a bad excuse ? :)

    That is an alias I did not hear/read before either ;)
    Nor have I. Latin any number doesn't belong to the ASCII, DOS or PC8 code
    pages.

    +1

    CU L8ER, Sam, OH0NC

    on radio i only have 11m band


    Regards Benny

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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Benny Pedersen on Monday, June 18, 2018 09:11:00
    In a message on 06-17-18 Benny Pedersen said to Holger Granholm:

    Hi Benny,

    CU L8ER, Sam, OH0NC

    on radio i only have 11m band

    I have been a licensed radio amateur since 1951 but I have also used CB equipment for commercial communication with my business.


    Regards,

    Holger


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