• Re: Ddge 3.99/SR9/SR32 released and avai

    From Rob Cole@1:229/426 to Nick Andre on Tuesday, June 12, 2018 23:54:36
    Even the utilities that make up the "builder", the setup wizard / installer help system compiler and other stuff will not compile on anything newer.

    Ugh, that's an undertaking then. Sigh.

    Rob (Rushfan)

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Vince Coen on Tuesday, June 12, 2018 11:30:16
    On 11 Jun 18 18:52:39, Vince Coen said the following to Nick Andre:

    Your comments regarding the user interface such as KDE or Gnome is, welfoun I am afraid and this is totally down to major updates being rolled out on a new
    distro version without intensive testing before hand along the lines of

    Linux I find is better suited to server-tasks... and even then, it depends.

    Regarding the GUI, if the Linux community hates Windows so much and wants Linux to be "that" Desktop replacement... at least come together and have a GUI that doesn't need the user to do command-line stuff beyond the surface.

    Apple appears to have got it right... I'm not a fan of Mac but looks good.

    DBridge going over to O/S might help a few users but very few as most do no have the programming expertise to provide imput let alone the inclination. May be the (well some one else will do it syndrome) showing up.

    I would love to compile D'Bridge for more modern Os's, however it is very difficult for me to do so. It takes time; and having to really tear apart a lot of things and replace them with modern equivalents.

    Nick

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  • From Rob Cole@1:229/426 to Nick Andre on Tuesday, June 12, 2018 19:57:43
    I would love to compile D'Bridge for more modern Os's, however it is very difficult for me to do so. It takes time; and having to really tear apart a lot of things and replace them with modern equivalents.


    Is it all Turbo/Borland pascal? Is it close to FPC compatible? Are there a bunch of libs that are TPU only?

    Just curious,

    Rob

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Rob Cole on Tuesday, June 12, 2018 21:03:11
    On 12 Jun 18 19:57, Rob Cole said the following to Nick Andre:

    I would love to compile D'Bridge for more modern Os's, however it is very difficult for me to do so. It takes time; and having to really tear apart a lot of things and replace them with modern equivalents.

    Is it all Turbo/Borland pascal? Is it close to FPC compatible? Are there a bunch of libs that are TPU only?

    It is half TP 5.5, half assembler. The code will not port to FPC or even
    TP 7 without a substantial amount of work. There is also a great deal of code to handle dialup modem sessions.

    Even the utilities that make up the "builder", the setup wizard / installer, help system compiler and other stuff will not compile on anything newer.

    Nick

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  • From Vince Coen@2:250/1 to Nick Andre on Monday, June 11, 2018 18:52:39
    Hello Nick!

    Sunday June 10 2018 22:26, you wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    On 11 Jun 18 00:48:08, Benny Pedersen said the following to Roger
    Nelson:

    You still have X, Y, Z and a host of other options. (-:

    opensource is nice :)

    A wise man told me "I'm afraid now this is a knee-jerk response in a
    way you may not like to hear".

    -- large cut ---

    Sorry Benny, I know you post in good fun, and I know I'm fair game but
    every time I see another yay-for-open-source post its just...
    cringeworthy.

    I am a Linux user for my main BBS system as it also runs Mysql, ftp, apache and
    other servers as well as /mf suuport for MVS and others.

    It is on 24/7 actually never needs to be rebooted even after a kernel update (mind you, you will not get the new kernel features if you don't).
    As an AMD 8 core it nver seems to go above 10% load and is usually below 5%. Loading does not include large compiles as I have been known to specifiy using up to 4 cores to help speed it all up :)

    I starting using Linux after IBM threw in the towel on OS/2, I carried on for year or so but the company they passed it to (having rejecting giving it to the
    large community) did swat for the period and the only updates that I have seen since is little regens with a few updated driver and those mostly from the community.

    At this point I gave up and I was using an early release of Warp v5 but with with the old win v3 rubbish in and switched to Linux. for both my main system and the media system that runs with Ubuntu and Mythtv, my laptop and the wife's
    desktop use Windows v10 and v7 respecively and no I have not updated my wife's system as that might be one step too far for her despite she has been using computers since the mid 70's but that might be related to when we got married and I was supporting M/F's (mainframes) and only went into micros in 1976 and then creating a distribution company that supplied Books, Mags, Software and even some hardware before PC's starting appearing (before 1981) that we supported with being the distributor for CPM, MPM and others from DRI and then MSdos and Windows v1, 2, 3.0 (Not sold by us as un-usable) v3.1 which we sold in large number to the new companies making PCs in every different disk format possible and here we had to build a bespoke system that could handle all the different formats for 8, 5.25 and 3.25/3.5 inch disks.


    Your comments regarding the user interface such as KDE or Gnome is, welfounded I am afraid and this is totally down to major updates being rolled out on a new
    distro version without intensive testing before hand along the lines of
    release candidates and I do not mean over 4 weeks (way too short a period).


    With Microsoft unless you are an early adopter it get well tested although not as well as when it gets out in the field as millions of users do help to give it some stick but here the problem is the difficultly of finding who / site wise to send bug reports for the various elements that make a Windows system.

    The major problem with Linux is that it is mostly community led so for those that help test a new distro are doing so very part time and here I will exclude
    people like IBM who mainly play in speific areas.

    So yes Linux does have it's inherent problems and very much so when a new distro comes out and here the major problem is that many of them do NOT have a LTS version - in fact the only ones I can think of are Ubuntu and Redhat (paid for).

    As for pure O/S software, My own Accounting tool along with a range of
    difering system products/tools including some for BBSing have been made O/S and that is more to do with my age to ensure that the software can be used after my departure (but not any time soon).

    The other reason was to encourrage others to help improve them but the reality is that they don't.

    Heck its hard enough to get feedback on them such as bug reports even.

    DBridge going over to O/S might help a few users but very few as most do not have the programming expertise to provide imput let alone the inclination.
    May be the (well some one else will do it syndrome) showing up.

    Nothing new here then.



    Vince

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