Yes - the claim has been made (I don't know of any
verifiable credible info on this) that the fool was
one of the more influential figures in a royal court
because of being allowed to air inconvenient truths.

It certainly was anecdotal... I don't now remember whether I read it in
an historical account or in historical fiction, though...

It's a recurring theme in art and literature
- I guess you'd say "lore"; whether that has
anything to do with reality, maybe some scholars
know, but the truth is probably less interesting
than the fiction so doesn't get publicized..

As I wrote (actually) - plagiarism is pawning off
someone else's fiction as one's own; criticism is
pawning of one's own fiction as someone else's.

Reminds me of Fritz Kreisler, and his attributing works he'd written to various long-dead composers... and the hoo-hah that followed the
discovery thereof... ;) The works were good enough to stand on their
own....

They were amusing and tuneful and well crafted,
but they didn't sound anything like the works of
the composers whose names they bore or even of
the period they were supposed to have come from.
And why wasn't the public suspicious when the
manuscript collection contained only one piece
each by a whole lot of unrelated composers. And
only a Sicilienne and no other associated pieces
by Francoeur ,,, a Sicilienne wasn't a standalone
piece (not until the Romantic period, anyway).
I guess the public was in the right mood to be
duped at that particular moment.

There could be still some dairies that home deliver... I've not
researched it much even locally any more... But milk could certainly be part of the home delivered grocery order.... :)

So poking around for Boston I found several dairies
that deliver, but all have expanded their offerings to
general groceries and/or gone to once- to twice-a-week
deliveries to an address.

I think when we were getting milk delivered it was only twice a week,
even back then... probably 30-40 years ago....

I'm sure we got five or six times daily, maybe
eventually cut to three.

It's from Guys and Dolls, and I think Frank Loesser
wrote those lyrics, which continue "Sit down, sit down,
sit down / Sit down, you're rocking the boat!"

OK... context helps.... There's a similar line directed at a John Adams character in a musical about the American Revolution days, as well...

Guys & Dolls is a pretty old show and no doubt informed
that, which I'm guessing is 1776, despite its name a
quite younger show?

Probably... :)

Undoubtedly, you mean?

It's not always a hard and fast limit, though it might be at Doc's...
the message was the same (with only that last parenthesis sometimes missing) at every place I went, whether I read it online or in my packet after downloading... I've sent and received longer messages, both lines- and characters-wise, from Tiny's in the ILink Chat echo....

What was the time frame for that?

Currently. When messages there get to be close to 300 or more lines,
they are getting somewhat unwieldy, and I'll break them into two
messages, each under 200 lines.... but I think they'd still go thru even
if I didn't...

Well, my observation is that there is a sort
of 200 limit, but I like to keep things
under 150. The old rules discouraged anything
over 100 and had the seemingly quixotic limit
of one recipe or at most two very short ones,
which is fine with me as it had the side effect
of keeping things on- but not too on-topic.
Some of the readers may not believe it, but
I'm not treating you all like babies except
when you are.

Grilled Pork on Skewers (Sateh babi)
cat: Indonesian, United Airlines, starter

2 lb lean pork, cubed 1"
garlic salt and pepper to taste
1/2 lemon, juice of
1 Tb ground ginger
3 Tb sweet soy sauce

Combine all ingredients and let sit 1 hr. Put meat
on skewers and grill over moderate charcoal fire
until done. Serve with peanut or soy sauce.

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Quoting Michael Loo to Nancy Backus on 05-31-19 18:33 <=-

Yes - the claim has been made (I don't know of any
verifiable credible info on this) that the fool was
one of the more influential figures in a royal court
because of being allowed to air inconvenient truths.

It certainly was anecdotal... I don't now remember whether I read it in
an historical account or in historical fiction, though...

It's a recurring theme in art and literature
- I guess you'd say "lore"; whether that has
anything to do with reality, maybe some scholars
know, but the truth is probably less interesting
than the fiction so doesn't get publicized..

Dunno.... sometimes truth truly is stranger than fiction... fiction has
to be at least somewhat believable... truth is what it is... :)

As I wrote (actually) - plagiarism is pawning off
someone else's fiction as one's own; criticism is
pawning of one's own fiction as someone else's.

Reminds me of Fritz Kreisler, and his attributing works he'd written
to various long-dead composers... and the hoo-hah that followed the discovery thereof... ;) The works were good enough to stand on their own....

They were amusing and tuneful and well crafted,
but they didn't sound anything like the works of
the composers whose names they bore or even of
the period they were supposed to have come from.

Exactly. Sometimes there was at least a hint of it, though...

And why wasn't the public suspicious when the
manuscript collection contained only one piece
each by a whole lot of unrelated composers. And
only a Sicilienne and no other associated pieces
by Francoeur ,,, a Sicilienne wasn't a standalone
piece (not until the Romantic period, anyway).
I guess the public was in the right mood to be
duped at that particular moment.

Apparently... and then incensed when it did come out... He was right
about one thing, the works would be better received if attributed to
other, established, composers than if he put them out as his own... even
though they did have sufficient merit on their own...

It's from Guys and Dolls, and I think Frank Loesser
wrote those lyrics, which continue "Sit down, sit down,
sit down / Sit down, you're rocking the boat!"

OK... context helps.... There's a similar line directed at a John Adams character in a musical about the American Revolution days, as well...

Guys & Dolls is a pretty old show and no doubt informed
that, which I'm guessing is 1776, despite its name a
quite younger show?

Probably... :)

Undoubtedly, you mean?

Oh, ok... undoubtedly... ;)

It's not always a hard and fast limit, though it might be at Doc's...
the message was the same (with only that last parenthesis sometimes missing) at every place I went, whether I read it online or in my packet after downloading... I've sent and received longer messages, both lines- and characters-wise, from Tiny's in the ILink Chat echo....

What was the time frame for that?

Currently. When messages there get to be close to 300 or more lines,
they are getting somewhat unwieldy, and I'll break them into two
messages, each under 200 lines.... but I think they'd still go thru even
if I didn't...

Well, my observation is that there is a sort
of 200 limit, but I like to keep things
under 150. The old rules discouraged anything
over 100

At one time, that was a real limitation of some bbs systems, as well as
some offline readers, to not be able to deal with any message more than
100 lines... but that's not the case any more... just some offline
readers that still do the breaking of messages to accomodate that....

and had the seemingly quixotic limit
of one recipe or at most two very short ones,
which is fine with me as it had the side effect
of keeping things on- but not too on-topic.

Also keeps things from getting too complicated... :)

Some of the readers may not believe it, but
I'm not treating you all like babies except
when you are.

:)

ttyl neb

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