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    From MICHAEL LOO@1:123/140 to RUTH HAFFLY on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 10:15:52
    unrealistic. Not that I read or watched any of the
    manifestations other than stumbling through Winnie
    Ille Pu.
    My first year Latin teacher made reference to that book but AFAIR, she
    never brought it to class. I finally read the WtP books my freshman year
    of college, over one of the breaks when I stayed at school.

    It wasn't really a first-year book, as I recall,
    as it had a very advanced vocabulary.

    It's customary - and most prefer - to use salt
    on their steaks before cooking.
    So there's probably some salt on the steaks we cook. My dad probably
    used onion salt and pepper.

    One issue I have with the midrange steakhouses
    that I like and can afford is that they use
    something like onion salt and pepper at the
    very least on their meat. Sometimes they go so
    far as to use a Montreallike seasoning.
    Sometimes I forget to tell them to hold it.

    I'll remember not to marinate anything in apple
    juice and corn syrup, too. We have quite a few
    dietary things going on in the echo.
    Part of the not so fun part of getting older.
    One adapts.
    Yes, and sometimes end up eating better than when we were younger.

    Depends on what you mean by eating better; there used
    to be news stories about elders buying dog food
    because they couldn't afford real food - but now, I
    found shopping with friends with cats, cat food costs
    more than burger meat or chicken! As far a eating
    more healthily, it's hard to sat what that means.

    Eh, it's reasonably full of good stuff to
    start with.
    OK, just don't let the nooks and crannies get over filled
    with junk > ML> > stuff.
    Why not?
    Your choice. (G)
    As I said, it's an imperfect figure of speech.
    So let it go at that.

    Neh, part of my role in life is to challenge
    factoids and truisms. And witty statements
    that don't make any sense, though I am guilty
    of perpetuating some of these.

    Anything that's spoonable over another food or
    scoopable with a scoop is salsa.
    I know, technically it is but this didn't look like anything I'd
    consider worth spooning or scooping.

    With some tweaking it might have been made usable.
    Of course, one can say that of about any recipe.

    pocketbook might be a solution for someone
    short of cash, for example, but it doesn't
    work in the greater scheme of things.
    Not a smart idea from the get go.
    Sometimes, as they say, it's the lesser of
    two weevils.
    Depends on what follows the initial act.

    In the case I mentioned, getting away with it
    might be the short-term followup, in which
    case there might be incentive to contine in
    that line of work forever. Not everyone is like
    Zimmern, who blasted himself out of a life of
    drug addiction and crime and made sonmething at
    least interesting and entertaining of himself.

    use to get the occasional nonperishable, though,
    picking up obscure classical albums with cut-out
    cut-out notches, that sort of thing.
    We've not seen anything like that.
    They're probably a lot scarcer than before, and I
    don't think they were ever that common. Plus you weren't
    looking for them.
    No, I wasn't nor, most likely will, even now.

    On the other hand I may, even though I don't
    have any device that plays records, tapes,
    moviecassettes, or CDs.

    It's definatly a smoker's cough. And no, I want to keep my head, not have it bitten off.
    Perhaps not even thinking about it is the way to go.
    Basically that's what I'm doing. Just know that some day we'll get the
    news that the smoking has caught up to her.

    Who knows. No sense hoping for that day either.

    Tastes change. There are people alive who remember
    the days when chicken was a sign of the good life.
    Dad used to tell us that his mom would serve chicken for Sunday
    dinner > as beef was less expensive and eaten more during the week. Until current techniques of factory farming were
    invented, no doubt that was the case.
    He never said when/if his mom switched to anything else and can't ask
    him now.

    When the food and drug industries are involved,
    few if any are incorruptible.
    And we reap the consequences.

    But some of them get away with it forever, see
    above. But I understand the attorneys general of
    a number of states are fighting pricefixing among
    the drug companies, which is a start.

    His never did--steaks always had to be well done.
    In general, they do - my earlist encounters with snooty
    restaurant waiters were about ordering beef rare ... of
    course you mean medium, sniffed thefirst one, on my I think
    eighth birthday. Of course not. It's a battle I've fought a
    thousand times, less frequently nowadays. Just bring me
    the cow and I'll cut it off myself, cheesis.
    But that's been in larger towns/cities--Dad was raised in a town near Buffalo, "saw the world" (Pacific theater) in WWII/Reserves until 1950
    and then settled in a small town (population about 800). He had the
    small town (well done) meat and potatoes view of food for pretty much
    his whole life.

    Though in other countries with perhaps smaller
    distances to cover the trappings of civilization
    - both good and bad - can be found scattered
    over the countryside.

    Veggies these days are getting more expensive than
    real food.
    They are real food, IOurO.

    See recipe in next post - it's too long to
    append here comfortably.

    AZ Canteen gazpacho
    cats: vegetarian, soup, celebrity, baseball
    servings: many

    3 lb tomatoes, peeled and seeded
    2 cucumbers, peeled, halved, seeded, coarsely chopped
    1 green bell pepper, coarsely chopped
    1 sm red onion, coarsely chopped
    4 garlic cloves, chopped
    1/4 c chopped parsley
    6 basil leaves
    1 ts dried basil
    1 ts dried oregano
    1/2 c extra-virgin olive oil
    1/4 c red wine vinegar
    1 1/2 Tb Worcestershire sauce
    2 Tb fresh lemon juice
    1 Tb Tabasco
    46 oz tomato juice
    salt
    freshly ground black pepper
    h - garnish
    Finely chopped yellow bell pepper
    snipped chives
    parsley leaves for garnish

    Toss the tomatoes with the cucumbers, green pepper,
    onion, garlic, chopped parsley, fresh and dried
    basil, oregano, olive oil, vinegar, Worcestershire
    lemon juice, and Tabasco. In a blender, puree the
    mixture in batches until nearly smooth. Transfer
    to a large bowl. Stir in the tomato juice and
    season with salt and pepper. Refrigerate 4 hr to
    overnight.

    Season the soup again if necessary and transfer
    to bowls. Garnish with yellow bell pepper, chives
    and parsley leaves and serve.

    The gazpacho can be refrigerated for up to 2 days.

    Andrew Zimmern
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to MICHAEL LOO on Thursday, May 30, 2019 16:07:36
    Hi Michael,

    unrealistic. Not that I read or watched any of the
    manifestations other than stumbling through Winnie
    Ille Pu.
    My first year Latin teacher made reference to that book but AFAIR,
    she > never brought it to class. I finally read the WtP books my
    freshman year > of college, over one of the breaks when I stayed at school.

    It wasn't really a first-year book, as I recall,
    as it had a very advanced vocabulary.

    The teacher I had for first year retired and the one that took over
    wasn't into WtP, just the classic Caesar's Commentaries and such like. I
    didn't do that well in class. What didn't help the first couple of years
    was having a group of NHS caliber students (including my older brother)
    who'd finished French III the year before and wanted something more for
    their academic records. They were all super smart, leaving us average or
    so students in their dust. By the time Latin III rolled around, they'd graduated and there were only 2 of us in the class.

    It's customary - and most prefer - to use salt
    on their steaks before cooking.
    So there's probably some salt on the steaks we cook. My dad probably used onion salt and pepper.

    One issue I have with the midrange steakhouses
    that I like and can afford is that they use
    something like onion salt and pepper at the
    very least on their meat. Sometimes they go so
    far as to use a Montreallike seasoning.
    Sometimes I forget to tell them to hold it.

    We've stopped going to those chain steakhouses, sticking with Texas
    Roadhouse.

    juice and corn syrup, too. We have quite a few
    dietary things going on in the echo.
    Part of the not so fun part of getting older.
    One adapts.
    Yes, and sometimes end up eating better than when we were younger.

    Depends on what you mean by eating better; there used
    to be news stories about elders buying dog food
    because they couldn't afford real food - but now, I

    But very often younger people, just starting out, can't afford the
    steaks and things, ending up with hot dogs and pot pies or similar
    budget meals. Or they go out for fast food, which can be just as bad.

    found shopping with friends with cats, cat food costs
    more than burger meat or chicken! As far a eating
    more healthily, it's hard to sat what that means.

    We generally have a better knowledge of nutrition (taught when we were
    younger) and know how to apply it. During the working years we can
    usually afford the better quality foods; it's those elderly that live on
    a below the poverty level income (and sometimes somewhat illiterate)
    that you read or hear about buying/eating pet food.

    Eh, it's reasonably full of good stuff to
    start with.
    OK, just don't let the nooks and crannies get over
    filled > ML> with junk > ML> > stuff.
    Why not?
    Your choice. (G)
    As I said, it's an imperfect figure of speech.
    So let it go at that.

    Neh, part of my role in life is to challenge
    factoids and truisms. And witty statements
    that don't make any sense, though I am guilty
    of perpetuating some of these.

    Fair enough.

    Anything that's spoonable over another food or
    scoopable with a scoop is salsa.
    I know, technically it is but this didn't look like anything I'd consider worth spooning or scooping.

    With some tweaking it might have been made usable.
    Of course, one can say that of about any recipe.

    True, question is, is it worth the time/effort to tweak?

    pocketbook might be a solution for someone
    short of cash, for example, but it doesn't
    work in the greater scheme of things.
    Not a smart idea from the get go.
    Sometimes, as they say, it's the lesser of
    two weevils.
    Depends on what follows the initial act.

    In the case I mentioned, getting away with it
    might be the short-term followup, in which
    case there might be incentive to contine in
    that line of work forever. Not everyone is like
    Zimmern, who blasted himself out of a life of
    drug addiction and crime and made sonmething at
    least interesting and entertaining of himself.

    Not a line that most people pursue, either by choice or life situation.

    use to get the occasional nonperishable, though,
    picking up obscure classical albums with cut-out
    cut-out notches, that sort of thing.
    We've not seen anything like that.
    They're probably a lot scarcer than before, and I
    don't think they were ever that common. Plus you weren't
    looking for them.
    No, I wasn't nor, most likely will, even now.

    On the other hand I may, even though I don't
    have any device that plays records, tapes,
    moviecassettes, or CDs.

    We've got some of the above, have had others from time to time. The
    other day Steve found part of the adapter that we used to use to play
    CDs thru the car's cassette player.

    It's definatly a smoker's cough. And no, I want to keep my
    head, not > ML> > have it bitten off.
    Perhaps not even thinking about it is the way to go.
    Basically that's what I'm doing. Just know that some day we'll get
    the > news that the smoking has caught up to her.

    Who knows. No sense hoping for that day either.

    No, not hoping for the day but figure it's inevitable.

    Tastes change. There are people alive who remember
    the days when chicken was a sign of the good life.
    Dad used to tell us that his mom would serve chicken for
    Sunday > ML> dinner > as beef was less expensive and eaten more
    during the week. > ML> Until current techniques of factory farming
    were
    invented, no doubt that was the case.
    He never said when/if his mom switched to anything else and can't
    ask > him now.

    When the food and drug industries are involved,
    few if any are incorruptible.
    And we reap the consequences.

    But some of them get away with it forever, see
    above. But I understand the attorneys general of
    a number of states are fighting pricefixing among
    the drug companies, which is a start.

    A start, hopefully one that will be taken up and the fight fought to a
    good finish.

    thousand times, less frequently nowadays. Just bring me
    the cow and I'll cut it off myself, cheesis.
    But that's been in larger towns/cities--Dad was raised in a town
    near > Buffalo, "saw the world" (Pacific theater) in WWII/Reserves
    until 1950 > and then settled in a small town (population about 800).
    He had the
    small town (well done) meat and potatoes view of food for pretty
    much > his whole life.

    Though in other countries with perhaps smaller
    distances to cover the trappings of civilization
    - both good and bad - can be found scattered
    over the countryside.

    And very often ways to cook creatively so as to feed families a lot more economically than we do here in the States.


    Veggies these days are getting more expensive than
    real food.
    They are real food, IOurO.

    See recipe in next post - it's too long to
    append here comfortably.


    CONTINUED IN NEXT MESSAGE <<

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to MICHAEL LOO on Thursday, May 30, 2019 16:30:29
    Hi Michael,

    CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS MESSAGE <<


    AZ Canteen gazpacho
    cats: vegetarian, soup, celebrity, baseball
    servings: many

    3 lb tomatoes, peeled and seeded
    2 cucumbers, peeled, halved, seeded, coarsely chopped
    1 green bell pepper, coarsely chopped
    1 sm red onion, coarsely chopped
    4 garlic cloves, chopped
    1/4 c chopped parsley
    6 basil leaves
    1 ts dried basil
    1 ts dried oregano
    1/2 c extra-virgin olive oil
    1/4 c red wine vinegar
    1 1/2 Tb Worcestershire sauce
    2 Tb fresh lemon juice
    1 Tb Tabasco
    46 oz tomato juice
    salt
    freshly ground black pepper
    h - garnish
    Finely chopped yellow bell pepper
    snipped chives
    parsley leaves for garnish

    A good end of the summer garden soup.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ruth Haffly on Saturday, June 01, 2019 01:27:04
    On 05-30-19 16:07, Ruth Haffly <=-
    spoke to Michael Loo about 451 baseball and oddities <=-


    One issue I have with the midrange steakhouses
    that I like and can afford is that they use
    something like onion salt and pepper at the
    very least on their meat. Sometimes they go so
    far as to use a Montreallike seasoning.
    Sometimes I forget to tell them to hold it.

    We've stopped going to those chain steakhouses, sticking with Texas Roadhouse.

    Texas Roadhouse is a chain. Last time we had a steak there, Gail's was
    way too salty -- but that might have been caused by being near to the
    baked potato which was encrusted in kosher salt. I don't detect any
    such seasoning at Outback -- but know that Michael does.


    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05

    Title: MEAT CAKES
    Categories: Diabetic, Meat, Main dish, Fruit, Abm
    Yield: 18 meat loave

    1 1/2 lb Lean ground beef
    1/2 lb Bulk Italian sausage
    1/2 c Minced onion
    1 ts Italian seasoning
    1 ts Salt
    2 ts Worcestershire sauce
    1/2 ts Dried sage
    1 c Unsweetened applesauce
    1/2 c Whole wheat bread crumbs
    1/2 c Unprocessed bran

    Preheat oven to 350 degrees F.
    Mix all ingredients together well.
    Place 1/3 cup (2 oz.) mixture in each of 16 muffin cups.
    Bake at 350F. until done, about 1 hour. Remove from muffin tins.
    Serve hot or cold. Note: Nice for a picnic.
    Yield: 16 meat cakes Nutrient analysis of
    1 meat cake: 1/2 starch/bread exchange; 2 lean meat exchanges;
    150 Calories; 12 g protein; 8 g fat; 8 g carbohydrate; 360 mg sodium;
    41 mg cholesterol.

    Source: The Complete Diabetic Cookbook by PJ Palumbo,MD and Joyce Daly
    Margie, MS

    Posted by Dar Rains Reposted by John Davis
    Downloaded from the WWW site of Dave & Georgette Burnside
    www.synapse.net/~gemini/mealmast.htm

    MMMMM


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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, June 01, 2019 16:55:02
    Hi Dale,

    One issue I have with the midrange steakhouses
    that I like and can afford is that they use
    something like onion salt and pepper at the
    very least on their meat. Sometimes they go so
    far as to use a Montreallike seasoning.
    Sometimes I forget to tell them to hold it.

    We've stopped going to those chain steakhouses, sticking with Texas Roadhouse.

    Texas Roadhouse is a chain. Last time we had a steak there, Gail's

    I know, we've been to TRs in AZ, FL, GA, NC, NY, and OK, maybe states as
    well. I was thinking of Lone Star and Outback, both places which
    overseason their steaks. Logan's and Bonanza seems to get it about right
    but neither of them are near us. Also, it seems every times we've been
    to Golden Corral recently and I've gotten the steak from the buffet,
    I've gotten more gristle than steak. (OTOH, Steve usually gets a better
    piece.)

    was way too salty -- but that might have been caused by being near to
    the
    baked potato which was encrusted in kosher salt. I don't detect any

    Possible, depending on what other side she had, that it crowded the
    potato. First time we were at TR, I didn't realise they salted the
    potato so added some before tasting it. Now I remember and don't add
    extra. (G)


    such seasoning at Outback -- but know that Michael does.

    I noticed it. Haven't been to an Outback in years but do recall that
    their steaks were heavy on the seasoning. Good meat, but too strong on
    the seasoning.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ruth Haffly on Monday, June 03, 2019 01:45:00
    On 06-01-19 16:55, Ruth Haffly <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about chains <=-

    right but neither of them are near us. Also, it seems every times we've been to Golden Corral recently and I've gotten the steak from the
    buffet, I've gotten more gristle than steak. (OTOH, Steve usually gets
    a better piece.)

    Funny thing -- our experience has been similar. Is there a bit of
    sexist discrimination going on there? I get decent steak and Gail gets gristle.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05

    Title: Burger Pizza
    Categories: Ground beef, Italian, Breads
    Yield: 4 Servings

    1/2 lb Ground beef, lean
    2 1/2 Crackers, crushed
    2 tb Onion, finely chopped
    2 tb Celery, finely chopped
    1/2 Egg (or yolk only)
    1/2 ts Worcestershire sauce
    1/2 ts Oregano
    3 Mushrooms, sliced
    Pepperoni slices
    1/2 md Tomato, sliced
    2 tb Green pepper, chopped
    1/4 ts Pepper, freshly ground
    1/2 c Mozzarella cheese, shredded
    1/2 tb Parmesan cheese, grated

    Combine ground beef, cracker crumbs, onion, celery, egg, sauce, spice
    and mix well.

    Use an 8" tinfoil pieplate or similar small pan (regular ground beef
    may need to be drained), pat beef mixture into a patty. Scatter
    mushrooms, pepperoni, tomato and green pepper over. Sprinkle with
    pepper and top with cheeses.

    Bake at 350F 20-25 min until meat is no longer pink.

    4 servings: 2 protein, 1/2 fat & oils 3 g carbohydrate, 16 g protein
    9 g fat (157 calories) Source: Choice Cooking, Canadian Diabetes
    Assoc (1/2 original recipe)

    Posted by Elizabeth Rodier 4/93 Extra can be frozen in portions and
    reheated in the microwave or oven.
    Submitted By "THE ART OF TURKISH COOKING" BY NESET EREN.

    MMMMM


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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dale Shipp on Monday, June 03, 2019 17:56:17
    Hi Dale,

    right but neither of them are near us. Also, it seems every times we've been to Golden Corral recently and I've gotten the steak from the
    buffet, I've gotten more gristle than steak. (OTOH, Steve usually gets
    a better piece.)

    Funny thing -- our experience has been similar. Is there a bit of
    sexist discrimination going on there? I get decent steak and Gail
    gets gristle.

    Coould be--we don't go there that often (I don't usually want to hike
    all over a restaurant for my food) so I've not tested the theory
    recently. I'd much rather go to TR, even tho there isn't the variety of choices.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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