• 400 extended travel was + come, let etc

    From MICHAEL LOO@1:123/140 to RUTH HAFFLY on Friday, May 17, 2019 11:36:52
    In the case in point, well, you just don;t want to
    bring it up.
    OK, by the time I see him again, I'll probably have long forgotten
    this > conversation.
    Recommended course of action.
    OK, delete the above and I won't remember the conversation.

    Forgetting is easy these days.

    some > yellow and zuchinni squash at the market today--checked out a number of > each of them before putting aside the ones I ended up buying. I didn't > sniff them tho. I do the same in grocery stores. Well, zucchini don't have much of a smell, and
    what there is is nauseating anyway. With other
    produce, fruits especially and herbs, fragrance
    is an important criterion.
    Wisest action would be to ask "Ok if I sniff it?" and see what the
    vendor says but I don't think there would be any objections.

    Every situation is different. I am impressed, though,
    both negatively and positively, by the old Chinese
    ladies who don't care and take a sniff or a squeeze
    no matter what the grocer says.

    So sorting for pre-1982 pennies, which should
    be automatable, would make sense.
    Automation would help but I've not seen coin machines that sort by date
    or metal content.

    There is such machinery, but it's expensive. I read
    somewhere that the breakeven for a substantial
    penny-sorting operation would be a copper penny
    having a metal worth 3 to 4c - right now it's down
    to about 2c.

    Some would be happy to miss it and not fuss at all, others would
    howl > all "season" about it. I missed it a bit while we were in HI
    but not
    that much, overall.
    Eventually everyone will regret the situation, because
    not only will many useful crops be given a boost, pests
    will as well, including ones that cause disease and
    destruction - and yes, I'm looking at you, fungi.
    Yes, much as we gripe about the cold, it does have its benefits.

    Goes both ways, as does almost everything. It'll
    all boil down, if you will, to our hardiness as
    a species, but we can help ourselves out by
    embracing conservation and renewal technologies
    and weaning ourselves from the old ones.

    CoW, and maybe white sugar.
    Raw sugar wouldn't work?
    The dish would be substantially different.
    Just buy a small quantity and I'll let someone else take it home. Same
    with white flour.

    I'll buy the economy size and let someone take
    it home. Most of the echo people use conventional
    stuff without compunction.

    I've heard of it--Christopher Reeves' wife went the same way, at a
    much > younger age. Did this friend's father smoke? Second hand smoke
    is just > as lethal as first hand--that's why I try to stay clear of anyone
    smoking.
    In those cases it may not have had anything to
    do with smoke, first or secondhand.
    I still try to keep clear of it.

    And barbecues and fireplaces?

    You may have the opportunity. Do you happen to
    have a machete lying round the house?
    No, but we have cleavers.
    One can try with a cleaver, if it's really
    sharp and really heavy. Unfortunately, I can't
    see using a cleaver without wasting all the
    water and much of the jelly inside. But we shall
    see what we shall see.
    Sorry, Steve wasn't in the Army during the Viet Nam era so no jungle
    fighting with macheties. The cleaver is the closest kitchen tool we have
    to it.

    Machete warfare never struck me as a US Army type
    of operation - I associate the knives more with
    trailblazing, jungle clearing, and so on.

    Probably in our situation the best way to cleave a
    green coconut would be in a tub of some sort to
    catch liquids. In which case a cleaver or hatchet
    would do.

    It didn't trigger a yuckdar but we thought the food wasn't quite as
    good > as our favorite Chinese place.
    There are some pretty obvious wwtt ones, but on
    the whole a new restaurant will have enough
    intriguing about it to warrant curiosity - after
    all, it attracted enough investor interest.
    This one has been around for a while. It's closer to where we live than
    the one we usually go to, which is probably why Steve went there. We'll
    go back to our favorite, even if it is a bit further away.

    I was thinking of such enterprises as Odette Bery's
    obviously suicidal Pudding It First, a food store that
    sold only pudding. One might be able to make a go of a
    fair stall or a street cart selling only one course
    like that, but a storefront that pays utilities and rent,
    just wwtt? To give her her due, she had other less
    harebrained and more successful businesses too.

    Ginger shrimp
    Categories: minor celebrity, main, shellfish
    Serves: 4

    1 lb shrimp, with shells
    1 sm cucumber
    1 c white wine, basil, or tarragon vinegar
    2 ts cumin seeds
    2 Tb peeled and grated fresh ginger
    2 garlic cloves, crushed
    1 c oil
    1 lb bean sprouts
    1 sm bn watercress for garnish

    Peel the cucumber and cut it in half lengthwise.
    Remove the seeds and slice it thin. Place a layer
    of cucumber slices in a colander, lightly sprinkle
    with salt, cover with another layer, salt, and
    continue until all of the cucumber is used up.
    Leave for 1 hr, then run under cold water for 2 min.
    Drain well, pat dry, then put the slices in vinegar.
    Refrigerate.

    Remove the little feelers from the underside of the
    shrimp. With sharp kitchen scissors or sharp prep
    knife, make an incision down the back of the shrimp,
    leaving the shell on. Devein shrimp.

    In a 350F oven, toast the cumin seeds for 7 to 10 min.
    Let cool. Coarsely grind in a blender.

    Mix the cumin, ginger, garlic and oil together to make
    a marinade. Place a layer of shrimp in a nonreactive
    dish. Spoon the marinade over them and repeat this
    procedure until all the shrimp and marinade are used
    up. Marinate at least 4 up to 8 hr in the refrigerator.
    Remove 30 min before serving to achieve room temp.

    Preheat the broiler. Place the shrimp with the marinade
    on the bottom part of a broiler pan and broil until
    they turn pink on top. Turn the shrimp over and broil
    another 2 min, until they turn light golden brown.

    Meanwhile, arrange the bean sprouts on a platter. Cover
    with the sliced cucumber. Arrange the shrimp on top and
    spoon the juices from the broiler pan over. Garnish
    with the watercress. Shrimp can be served in the shell,
    or shell can be removed.

    Odette Bery
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to MICHAEL LOO on Saturday, May 18, 2019 14:14:45
    Hi Michael,

    OK, delete the above and I won't remember the conversation.

    Forgetting is easy these days.

    Quite so.

    some > yellow and zuchinni squash at the market today--checked
    out a > ML> number of > each of them before putting aside the ones I ended up > ML> buying. I didn't > sniff them tho. I do the same in grocery stores. > ML> Well, zucchini don't have much of a smell, and
    what there is is nauseating anyway. With other
    produce, fruits especially and herbs, fragrance
    is an important criterion.
    Wisest action would be to ask "Ok if I sniff it?" and see what the vendor says but I don't think there would be any objections.

    Every situation is different. I am impressed, though,
    both negatively and positively, by the old Chinese
    ladies who don't care and take a sniff or a squeeze
    no matter what the grocer says.

    Sometimes it's the only way to judge produce. I always sniff a melon at
    the stem end.

    So sorting for pre-1982 pennies, which should
    be automatable, would make sense.
    Automation would help but I've not seen coin machines that sort by
    date > or metal content.

    There is such machinery, but it's expensive. I read
    somewhere that the breakeven for a substantial
    penny-sorting operation would be a copper penny
    having a metal worth 3 to 4c - right now it's down
    to about 2c.

    So one penny would be your 2c worth?

    Some would be happy to miss it and not fuss at all, others
    would > ML> howl > all "season" about it. I missed it a bit while we
    were in HI > ML> but not
    that much, overall.
    Eventually everyone will regret the situation, because
    not only will many useful crops be given a boost, pests
    will as well, including ones that cause disease and
    destruction - and yes, I'm looking at you, fungi.
    Yes, much as we gripe about the cold, it does have its benefits.

    Goes both ways, as does almost everything. It'll
    all boil down, if you will, to our hardiness as
    a species, but we can help ourselves out by
    embracing conservation and renewal technologies
    and weaning ourselves from the old ones.

    Or reverting back to some of the even older ways.


    CoW, and maybe white sugar.
    Raw sugar wouldn't work?
    The dish would be substantially different.
    Just buy a small quantity and I'll let someone else take it home.
    Same > with white flour.

    I'll buy the economy size and let someone take
    it home. Most of the echo people use conventional
    stuff without compunction.

    Different ways of cooking/eating.


    I've heard of it--Christopher Reeves' wife went the same way,
    at a > ML> much > younger age. Did this friend's father smoke? Second hand smoke > ML> is just > as lethal as first hand--that's why I try
    to stay clear of > ML> anyone
    smoking.
    In those cases it may not have had anything to
    do with smoke, first or secondhand.
    I still try to keep clear of it.

    And barbecues and fireplaces?

    Pretty much so. We have a gas fireplace, don't use it a lot but it's
    nice to have if we have an extended winter time power outage. Steve does
    the outdoor cooking; he has a Boston butt on the pellet grill at the
    moment.


    You may have the opportunity. Do you happen to
    have a machete lying round the house?
    No, but we have cleavers.
    One can try with a cleaver, if it's really
    sharp and really heavy. Unfortunately, I can't
    see using a cleaver without wasting all the
    water and much of the jelly inside. But we shall
    see what we shall see.
    Sorry, Steve wasn't in the Army during the Viet Nam era so no jungle fighting with macheties. The cleaver is the closest kitchen tool we
    have > to it.

    Machete warfare never struck me as a US Army type
    of operation - I associate the knives more with
    trailblazing, jungle clearing, and so on.

    Would have been handy in Viet Nam from what I understand. Also some of
    the islands in the Pacific, during WWII.


    Probably in our situation the best way to cleave a
    green coconut would be in a tub of some sort to
    catch liquids. In which case a cleaver or hatchet
    would do.

    OK, I know we have the cleaver, not sure about a hatchet. I know we do
    have an ax. (G)

    It didn't trigger a yuckdar but we thought the food wasn't
    quite as > ML> good > as our favorite Chinese place.
    There are some pretty obvious wwtt ones, but on
    the whole a new restaurant will have enough
    intriguing about it to warrant curiosity - after
    all, it attracted enough investor interest.
    This one has been around for a while. It's closer to where we live
    than > the one we usually go to, which is probably why Steve went
    there. We'll > go back to our favorite, even if it is a bit further
    away.

    I was thinking of such enterprises as Odette Bery's
    obviously suicidal Pudding It First, a food store that
    sold only pudding. One might be able to make a go of a
    fair stall or a street cart selling only one course
    like that, but a storefront that pays utilities and rent,
    just wwtt? To give her her due, she had other less
    harebrained and more successful businesses too.

    Proof was not in the pudding or the eating of same?

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ruth Haffly on Monday, May 20, 2019 02:00:08
    On 05-18-19 14:14, Ruth Haffly <=-
    spoke to Michael Loo about 400 extended travel was + <=-

    And barbecues and fireplaces?

    Pretty much so. We have a gas fireplace, don't use it a lot but it's
    nice to have if we have an extended winter time power outage. Steve
    does the outdoor cooking; he has a Boston butt on the pellet grill at
    the moment.

    I have not used our smoker in quite a while -- we still have a moderate
    amount of smoked pork, smoked brisket, and pastrami in the freezer. I
    will be turning some corned beef into pastrami in a month or two and
    then freezing it for the picnic.

    How big a Boston Butt, and how long does it last the two of you (or is
    it something you take to one of your groups).

    No carb count on this one, but I suspect it might be ok for you.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05

    Title: Spicy Green Beans (Masaledar sem)
    Categories: Indian, Ethnic, Side dish, Spicy
    Yield: 6 servings

    1 1/2 lb Fresh green beans
    10 Whole cloves garlic
    5 tb Vegetable oil
    1 Dried hot red chili
    1 1/4 ts Salt
    1 ts Ground roasted cumin
    1 In cube peeled chopped ginge
    1 1/2 c Water
    2 ts Whole cumin seeds
    2 ts Ground coriander
    3 tb Lemon juice

    Trim the green beans and cut them crosswise at 1/4 in intervals.

    Put the ginger and garlic into the container of an electric blender
    or food processor. Add 1/3 of the water and blend until fairly
    smooth.

    Heat the oil in a wide, heavy saucepan over a medium flame. When hot,
    put in the cumin seeds. Five seconds later, put in the crushed
    chili. As soon as it darkens, pour in the ginger-garlic paste. Stir
    and cook for about a minute. Put in the coriander.

    Stir a few times. Now put in the chopped tomatoes. Stir and cook
    for about 2 minutes, mashing up the tomato pieces with the back of a
    slotted spoon as you do so. Put in the beans, salt and the remaining
    water. Bring to simmer. Cover, turn heat to low and cook for about
    8-10 minutes or until the beans are tender.

    Remove the cover. Add the lemon juice, roasted cumin, and a generous
    amount of freshly ground pepper. Turn heat up and boil away all of
    the liquid, stirring the beans gently as you do so.

    From: Carl Berger Date: 05-28-94

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dale Shipp on Monday, May 20, 2019 15:04:05
    Hi Dale,

    And barbecues and fireplaces?

    Pretty much so. We have a gas fireplace, don't use it a lot but it's
    nice to have if we have an extended winter time power outage. Steve
    does the outdoor cooking; he has a Boston butt on the pellet grill at
    the moment.

    I have not used our smoker in quite a while -- we still have a
    moderate amount of smoked pork, smoked brisket, and pastrami in the freezer. I

    Steve volunteered to cook for the VFW meeting the first week of the
    month so decided to do the pulled pork. The meeting had a smaller than anticipated turn out so there were plenty of left overs. They went into
    our freezer after guys took home what they wanted. The pulled pork we
    did for Sunday, our 3rd Sunday regular cook had a meeting in that time
    so asked if we could fill in for her. No problem for us, as we'd not
    cooked for the 2nd Sunday as we always cancel for Mother's Day.

    will be turning some corned beef into pastrami in a month or two and
    then freezing it for the picnic.

    Sounds good, as always. We have an electric slicer so you can either use
    that or a knife and cutting board.


    How big a Boston Butt, and how long does it last the two of you (or is
    it something you take to one of your groups).

    For the Sunday meal, we bought a butt weighing about 8.75 lbs. We fed 7
    adults, 5 youth and 4 children, ages 6 and under with it. Brought home
    maybe about a pound. There wasn't as much fat on this one as we
    sometimes get but enough to give it flavor.

    No carb count on this one, but I suspect it might be ok for you.


    Title: Spicy Green Beans (Masaledar sem)
    Categories: Indian, Ethnic, Side dish, Spicy
    Yield: 6 servings

    Per serving, minimal carbs as there are 5 carbs per half cup of cooked
    beans. The spicing adds minimal carbs but a big punch of flavor.

    1 1/2 lb Fresh green beans
    10 Whole cloves garlic
    5 tb Vegetable oil
    1 Dried hot red chili
    1 1/4 ts Salt
    1 ts Ground roasted cumin
    1 In cube peeled chopped ginge
    1 1/2 c Water
    2 ts Whole cumin seeds
    2 ts Ground coriander
    3 tb Lemon juice

    and cook for about a minute. Put in the coriander.

    Stir a few times. Now put in the chopped tomatoes. Stir and cook
    for about 2 minutes, mashing up the tomato pieces with the back of a
    *************

    This isn't listed in the ingredients, but, like the green beans, it's
    about 5 carbs per half cup of cooked tomatoes.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ruth Haffly on Wednesday, May 22, 2019 02:43:06
    On 05-20-19 15:04, Ruth Haffly <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Boston Butt/smoker <=-

    will be turning some corned beef into pastrami in a month or two and
    then freezing it for the picnic.

    Sounds good, as always. We have an electric slicer so you can either
    use that or a knife and cutting board.

    Do you mean a rotary slicer? Those are pretty good tools, but I
    understand a bit difficult to clean (based on what Sacerdote once said).

    Stir a few times. Now put in the chopped tomatoes. Stir and cook
    for about 2 minutes, mashing up the tomato pieces with the back of a
    *************

    This isn't listed in the ingredients, but, like the green beans, it's about 5 carbs per half cup of cooked tomatoes.

    I hate it when that happens. Sometimes I catch it, sometimes I don't
    (until trying to make it and/or getting the ingredients together).

    I would probably guess either a can of chopped tomatoes, or the
    equivalent volume of fresh.


    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05

    Title: Meat Cakes
    Categories: Diabetic, Meat, Main dish, Fruit, Abm
    Yield: 18 meat loave

    1 1/2 lb Lean ground beef
    1/2 lb Bulk Italian sausage
    1/2 c Minced onion
    1 ts Italian seasoning
    1 ts Salt
    2 ts Worcestershire sauce
    1/2 ts Dried sage
    1 c Unsweetened applesauce
    1/2 c Whole wheat bread crumbs
    1/2 c Unprocessed bran

    Preheat oven to 350 degrees F.
    Mix all ingredients together well.
    Place 1/3 cup (2 oz.) mixture in each of 16 muffin cups.
    Bake at 350F. until done, about 1 hour. Remove from muffin tins.
    Serve hot or cold. Note: Nice for a picnic.
    Yield: 16 meat cakes Nutrient analysis of
    1 meat cake: 1/2 starch/bread exchange; 2 lean meat exchanges;
    150 Calories; 12 g protein; 8 g fat; 8 g carbohydrate; 360 mg sodium;
    41 mg cholesterol.

    Source: The Complete Diabetic Cookbook by PJ Palumbo,MD and Joyce Daly
    Margie, MS

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  • From Dave Drum@1:229/452 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, May 22, 2019 11:54:40
    Dale Shipp wrote to Ruth Haffly <=-

    Do you mean a rotary slicer? Those are pretty good tools, but I understand a bit difficult to clean (based on what Sacerdote once
    said).

    The commercial sizes like the Hobart he bought can be a bit .... bear.

    Mostly because of the size of the blade and other parts and the weight
    of the unit. Home rotary slicers are noisier than the commercial guys.
    And they disassemble fairly easily so the blade, guards, tray, etc may
    be washed - either in the sink or in the dishwasher. I used to use mine
    for slicing vegetables before I got my nice mandoline. Still use it to
    slice meats. For instance that nice chunk of smoked beef you sent home
    with me from the last picnic I attended.

    BTW - don't count on me for this year's festivities. If I do manage to
    come it will be a last minute thing .... much like my first picnic in
    Alabama.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Mandolin's Grilled Tiger Prawns
    Categories: Five, Seafood, Herbs, Citrus
    Yield: 4 Servings

    12 Tiger prawns; heads on,
    - shells intact
    1 ts Paprika
    1 ts Dried oregano
    6 tb Extra virgin olive oil
    Salt
    1 Lemon; in 4 wedges to serve

    Using a sharp pair of scissors, carefully cut through
    the shell of each prawn from the backside, starting at
    the tail and going through the body, stopping before
    the head and exposing the vein.

    Carefully remove the vein and rinse the prawns in cold
    water, keeping the shells and heads intact and
    essentially "butterflying" them.

    Place 1/2 teaspoon paprika and 1/2 teaspoon oregano in
    a bowl with the olive oil and mix well. Pour over the
    prawns and leave to marinate for 15 minutes.

    In the meantime, preheat the grill to medium and season
    the prawns with sea salt. Grill the prawns for about 4
    minutes on each side, moving them around so that the
    shells don't burn.

    Continue grilling until the flesh is opaque. Divide the
    prawns between four plates and sprinkle with the rest
    of the paprika and oregano.

    Drizzle with olive oil and serve with lemon wedges.

    By Sheridan Rogers

    RECIPE FROM: http://www.sheridanrogers.com.au

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, May 22, 2019 16:05:21
    Hi Dale,

    will be turning some corned beef into pastrami in a month or two and
    then freezing it for the picnic.

    Sounds good, as always. We have an electric slicer so you can either
    use that or a knife and cutting board.

    Do you mean a rotary slicer? Those are pretty good tools, but I understand a bit difficult to clean (based on what Sacerdote once
    said).

    Ours is a platform with an enclosed blade on one side-looks like an L
    opened up but it folds into a more compact space. The blade is
    adjustable for paper thin to thick slices and can be removed for easy
    cleaning. I just Googled Oster food slicer--the first video that came up
    is what ours looks like.


    Stir a few times. Now put in the chopped tomatoes. Stir and cook
    for about 2 minutes, mashing up the tomato pieces with the back of a
    *************

    This isn't listed in the ingredients, but, like the green beans, it's about 5 carbs per half cup of cooked tomatoes.

    I hate it when that happens. Sometimes I catch it, sometimes I don't (until trying to make it and/or getting the ingredients together).

    I try to have all my ingredients together before starting to cook. But,
    for this recipe, I was looking to see what the heavy hitters in the carb department might be. Saw tomatoes listed in the preparation instructions
    but not in the list of ingredients.


    I would probably guess either a can of chopped tomatoes, or the
    equivalent volume of fresh.

    Probably so, and the fresh equivalent would be 2 or 3 (depending on
    size) skinned and chopped.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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