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    From MICHAEL LOO@1:123/140 to RUTH HAFFLY on Tuesday, May 14, 2019 11:19:24
    I think that complete international cooperation is
    eventually necessary for our species survival. As of
    now, it is a utopian idea that, like socialism, relies
    too much on human perfectability in the near run. The
    So society has a long ways to go before we reach utopia--if we ever
    will.

    Society can't be perfectible until humans are. Whether
    humans are or not is probably offtopic for here, as it
    treads on both religious and political ground.

    understandings of the day. As with the United States,
    one may add, but we started with a relatively clean
    slate and instead of allowing for multiple cultures
    as was necessary in Europe just ran roughshod over
    the one that preceded the colonials.
    Which we're still fighting those battles, to some extent.

    To a very great extent, though one hopes that
    the long-term trajectory is positive.

    on the Isles, a military-based attempt to reconstruct a
    British empire, or reliance on Europe for basically alms,
    making Britain exactly the vassal state it's trying to get
    away from being (which many pretend it is). The fact is
    that unless England is completely reruralized, there is no
    way it can sustain itself (Ireland and even Scotland are
    not at capacity, not sure about Wales).
    And the sun will set on the British Empire.

    Unless the Brits are smarter than they appear.

    Probably so, but in reality, it doesn't seem to work that well. If
    half > of us cooked one day, the other half another day, we'd still
    end up with > lots of left overs. (G)
    But it would be a start. At Lydia's I tried to stay out
    of it, sous-ing (not sousing as I originally wrote) only,
    but the occasional something obtruded, and I ended up
    being part of the problem.
    Fact is, we all like to cook and eat. Seems that no matter what we cook,
    we generate left overs which have to be used up, either as is, or incorporated into a new dish which in itself may generate more left
    overs. Then there are the "experiments" like comparing canned German
    potato salad to home made and using up the juices from the canned in
    some other dish...................all in all, lots to eat. (G)

    Efficient budgeting is possible. I recently made
    several meals where everyone was satisfied but there
    were scanty to no leftovers. I admit that in the echo
    picnic situation that might be a near-impossibility.

    I'm presuming that you would have gone doctor
    shopping if that were not the case.
    Probably not as Steve was still active duty. Military medical care
    was > less than having to pay out of pocket civilian care. We only saw one
    bill for all the surgery, radiation, MTI, etc and that was because
    Hah, that happened to me with the social security
    number, and it was a mess.
    Somtimes you get it right the first time, other times, it's a royal
    mess.

    ?? In this case it's been a royal pain.

    I'm going in Wednesday; still doing well on the healing now.
    Fingers crossed.
    The hole is almost all filled in now--down to an even smaller dressing.
    By the time I see the doctor again in early June, the hole should be all filled in. Got a good work out in therapy Friday, now that it can be
    worked with no danger of infection or incision line coming open.

    I wonder whether Swisher's abdominal would would
    have healed better or faster with a honey dressing.

    see or hear. Of course, I never had the urge
    to encounter New Guinea headhunters, either.
    Same here. (G)
    I might almost rather see the headhunters.
    As long as they've been well fed beforehand. (G)

    I might almost rather see the headhunters.

    Pretty much, though mamma bears tend to take
    the the best defense is a good offense view rather
    than the sacrifice oneself for the future one.
    True, they'd rather do in the threat.

    Mama bears are a bit of an exception. More typical
    is the mama grouse or duck who pretends to be
    injured to draw a predator's attention away from
    the kids.

    sign > to put in our front door window to indicate how much milk we wanted; if > Mom wanted ice cream or anything else, she'd tell the
    milk man when when > he delivered & he'd get it off the truck.
    We had a regular order with Thompson's Honor Dairy and
    an insulated metal milkbox outside the back door.
    We had the milk box too. But, once Mom started working, the milk man
    would come inside and put the milk into the fridge. Small town, nobody
    at that time locked doors so he could do that.

    Sometimes I too am nostalgic for those days.

    You can use fresh ground flour over the picnic week end.
    Does that mean I'll have to hull and scrub the wheat
    by hand?
    No, we sift it and then run it thru the mill.

    Yeah, but for that recipe and most recipes I make
    white flour is a given.

    We've had various starters going over the years. The current one has been going not quite 3 years; Steve's sister gave us some that she'd originally gotten from King Arthur Flour. We turned it into a whole wheat version. (G)
    Is there a reliable way of keeping it going without
    getting weird in a few years?
    Use it often, keep it in the fridge when not using it.

    The yeasts still mutate, and often the mutations
    make them weaker or worse tasting - anyhow, less
    useful for the baker.

    Grilled Chicken Salad With Citrus Honey Dressing
    categories: KfP, main, cold
    servings: 4

    h - Grilled Chicken
    2 chicken breasts
    2 c white wine
    1 bn fresh basil, roughly chopped
    2 ts garlic powder
    2 Tb extra virgin olive oil
    1 ts salt, pink Himalayan
    2 ts turmeric
    h - Citrus Honey Dressing
    1 grapefruit, juice squeezed
    1 orange, juice squeezed
    3 Tb vinegar
    1/8 c extra virgin olive oil
    1 ts salt, pink Himalyan
    1/2 c fresh mint, chopped
    h - Lettuce Salad
    4 oz butter lettuce
    1 sm beet, peeled and cut into thin strips
    1 lg zucchini, peeled into strips
    1 orange, cut into thin slices
    1 grapefruit, cut into thin slices
    1 c peeled pistachios

    Mix all Grilled Chicken ingredients in a baking dish.
    Add chicken and marinate overnight (or at least 4 hr).
    Place a grill pan on high heat, grill 7 min per side
    but turning after 4 min to get diamond grill marks.
    Don˙t slice until ready to serve! Serve warm or room
    temperature.

    For dressing, combine all ingredients in a jar.
    Bring to room temperature and shake before serving.

    In a bowl, add lettuce, beets, zucchini, oranges,
    grapefruit and pistachios. Add chicken and dressing
    right before serve.

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to MICHAEL LOO on Wednesday, May 15, 2019 21:54:17
    Hi Michael,

    too much on human perfectability in the near run. The
    So society has a long ways to go before we reach utopia--if we ever will.

    Society can't be perfectible until humans are. Whether
    humans are or not is probably offtopic for here, as it
    treads on both religious and political ground.

    So, another topic to drop.


    understandings of the day. As with the United States,
    one may add, but we started with a relatively clean
    slate and instead of allowing for multiple cultures
    as was necessary in Europe just ran roughshod over
    the one that preceded the colonials.
    Which we're still fighting those battles, to some extent.

    To a very great extent, though one hopes that
    the long-term trajectory is positive.

    We can hope, but I'm not holding my breath on it.

    British empire, or reliance on Europe for basically alms,
    making Britain exactly the vassal state it's trying to get
    away from being (which many pretend it is). The fact is
    that unless England is completely reruralized, there is no
    way it can sustain itself (Ireland and even Scotland are
    not at capacity, not sure about Wales).
    And the sun will set on the British Empire.

    Unless the Brits are smarter than they appear.

    No comment; I've been reading a lot about the era of Henry VIII and
    Queen Elizabeth I recently.

    Probably so, but in reality, it doesn't seem to work that
    well. If > ML> half > of us cooked one day, the other half another
    day, we'd still > ML> end up with > lots of left overs. (G)
    But it would be a start. At Lydia's I tried to stay out
    of it, sous-ing (not sousing as I originally wrote) only,
    but the occasional something obtruded, and I ended up
    being part of the problem.
    Fact is, we all like to cook and eat. Seems that no matter what we
    cook, > we generate left overs which have to be used up, either as is,
    incorporated into a new dish which in itself may generate more left overs. Then there are the "experiments" like comparing canned German potato salad to home made and using up the juices from the canned in some other dish...................all in all, lots to eat. (G)

    Efficient budgeting is possible. I recently made
    several meals where everyone was satisfied but there
    were scanty to no leftovers. I admit that in the echo
    picnic situation that might be a near-impossibility.

    Seems so, and is it really worth trying to do? I'll probably do more of
    my cooking on the front end of this year's gathering, maybe a couple of
    sides for the picnic day itself.

    bill for all the surgery, radiation, MTI, etc and that was
    because > ML> Hah, that happened to me with the social security
    number, and it was a mess.
    Somtimes you get it right the first time, other times, it's a royal mess.

    ?? In this case it's been a royal pain.

    Sorry to hear that.

    I'm going in Wednesday; still doing well on the healing now.
    Fingers crossed.
    The hole is almost all filled in now--down to an even smaller
    dressing. > By the time I see the doctor again in early June, the hole should be all > filled in. Got a good work out in therapy Friday, now
    that it can be
    worked with no danger of infection or incision line coming open.

    I wonder whether Swisher's abdominal would would
    have healed better or faster with a honey dressing.

    Probably so, but too late to know now. The hole in the incision line
    should be all filled in, within a week or so; glad I didn't need a
    restitching or super glue.

    see or hear. Of course, I never had the urge
    to encounter New Guinea headhunters, either.
    Same here. (G)
    I might almost rather see the headhunters.
    As long as they've been well fed beforehand. (G)

    I might almost rather see the headhunters.

    Any trips planned to New Guinea in the near future?

    Pretty much, though mamma bears tend to take
    the the best defense is a good offense view rather
    than the sacrifice oneself for the future one.
    True, they'd rather do in the threat.

    Mama bears are a bit of an exception. More typical
    is the mama grouse or duck who pretends to be
    injured to draw a predator's attention away from
    the kids.

    That seems to be a typical bird ploy; I've read abou other species doing
    it as well.

    sign > to put in our front door window to indicate how much
    milk we > ML> wanted; if > Mom wanted ice cream or anything else,
    she'd tell the > ML> milk man when when > he delivered & he'd get it
    off the truck.
    We had a regular order with Thompson's Honor Dairy and
    an insulated metal milkbox outside the back door.
    We had the milk box too. But, once Mom started working, the milk man would come inside and put the milk into the fridge. Small town,
    nobody > at that time locked doors so he could do that.

    Sometimes I too am nostalgic for those days.

    Parts of them would be nice to re-live, other parts, I'd just as soon
    rather forget.


    You can use fresh ground flour over the picnic week end.
    Does that mean I'll have to hull and scrub the wheat
    by hand?
    No, we sift it and then run it thru the mill.

    Yeah, but for that recipe and most recipes I make
    white flour is a given.

    We can get some, but somebody will take it home.

    We've had various starters going over the years. The current
    one has > ML> > been going not quite 3 years; Steve's sister gave us
    some that she'd > ML> > originally gotten from King Arthur Flour. We turned it into a whole > ML> > wheat version. (G)
    Is there a reliable way of keeping it going without
    getting weird in a few years?
    Use it often, keep it in the fridge when not using it.

    The yeasts still mutate, and often the mutations
    make them weaker or worse tasting - anyhow, less
    useful for the baker.

    Ours has kept well, don't know what we're doing right (or wrong).

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    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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