• 367 ice cream was: +

    From MICHAEL LOO@1:123/140 to NANCY BACKUS on Sunday, May 12, 2019 09:21:14
    One can take the tack that those who are fooled
    deserve to be fooled, but to me that's sort of
    arid as well as passing a buck that should be
    addressed by culture as a whole.
    I think that might be the case in a few instances, but generally agree
    that is pretty much a cop out instead of dealing with it as it should be dealt with...

    When bad decisions are celebrated all kinds of places,
    how does one prevent them, that is the question.
    Whether it's nobler to suffer the slings and arrows of
    outrageous idiocy or to take arms against a sea of
    troubles, and by opposing end them?

    Convenience ruled... but might not again...?
    It was a strange hotel and a strange restaurant in
    the strange hotel. Next time, probably not there.
    After all, Xochi is in the Marriott Marquis a few
    blocks away, and though the rooms there cost maybe
    $50 more, it might be worth it.
    Sounds like...

    There are many days when $50 is a lot of money to me.

    I could see him trying to pad his bottom line.
    In which case perhaps it would have been reportable...?
    To whom?
    Corporate...?
    Which might punish him by cutting him into the
    profit-sharing scheme. Thinking corporate will be
    on the side of the consumer is, well, unrealistic.
    Point taken... ah, well....

    One wonders whether there was a time when the larger
    companies actually attempted to build market based on
    kindness or even fairness.

    by busy celebrity musicians (Marcus Thompson and
    Irina Muresanu are the two I referenced in this
    conversation), which adds to prestige value but
    doesn't add to the effectiveness. It's not that they
    are lazy or don't mean well, just that there are other
    demands on their time.
    So, understandable... but not conducive to having the necessary
    quorum...

    So we fake a quorum - we're not required to make
    reports on our activities more than annually anyhow,
    and we figure that meetings with more members than
    required outnumber the ones with fewer, so there.

    The proliferation of tape recorders was a
    terrible thing.
    Capturing for posterity as they did, all the glitches....
    I eventually learned to play it safe for the microphone,
    but that seemed a little pointless.
    Seems like that inhibits the musicality....

    It feeds into a uniformitarian mindset that was started
    by editable sound and visual media. Instead of recordings
    simulating live performances, live performances now try
    to simulate recordings.

    Which explains the chamorro recipes attached to my messages... ;)
    Yeah - the first time we went, they gave us just the
    English menu, in which the word came out as "garnished,"
    so the text read something like garnished of pork
    with garnished of red onions and sauce sauce. That's
    to say not really instructive.
    And one couldn't exactly ask the waiter for details, since there was the language barrier there, too...

    One could try and did. Luckily there was mutual
    amusement rather than outrage, but unluckily there was
    no usable information forthcoming from the interactions.

    For afters we had two offerings sourced from an esteemed local patisserie whose name I forget.
    A chocolate mousse was surprisingly not very chocolaty though quite dark. The texture was a little on the gelatinized side. I'd
    grade it a
    pass to high pass; next time I'd give it a pass altogether.
    A caramel cinnamon cheesecake was of fine, fluffy texture, bright flavor, and not too sweet. Magna cum laude.
    Should you return, you'll know which to get... :)
    There's plenty on the menu that would appeal to me; for
    Lilli not so much.
    I was thinking primarily of the afters, there.... ;)

    It's possible we or I will return, but with dessert
    offerings it's difficult to predict a day in advance,
    much less years, pastry shops being what they are.

    Often when I go out I order one Haxe
    for two, which is generally understood. At the late
    lamented Barfusser in Nuremberg, that got a smile and
    an understanding nod from the otherwise poker-faced
    waiter, who looked with dismay on our colleagues who
    despite our cautioning them not to ordered the set
    dinner for 6 for 4 people (and ended up leaving more
    than half of it).
    Too bad they couldn't take it with them for later.... There are a number
    of places around here that we regularly see that sort of overordering...
    not so bad if one is expecting to take home to eat the next day or at
    least for another meal... but definitely a bummer when good food gets
    left behind....

    In Europe doggy bags are a newish thing and still kind
    of looked askance at. The natives generally solve the
    problem by not ordering more than they can eat. Anyhow,
    it's not like we had any place to take our leftovers.

    ... There is no feast that does not come to an end.
    I might say that, but it's funny for you to say that.
    Why would you say that... I have yet to know of any unending feast... at least here on earth... ;)

    One can answer that two ways, both bordering on the
    religious. One is: life is an unending feast in itself,
    though not all the courses are equally good. The other
    is as you say, but it would be offtopic to say so.

    Fabricate 1" thick pork chops and remove excess fat.
    M's note - there's no such thing as excess fat.
    Yup. :)

    Nit'ir qibe (niter kibbe)
    categories: condiment, Ethiopian
    yield: 1 1/2 c

    1 lb unsalted butter
    1/2 md red onion, coarsely chopped
    1 garlic clove, minced
    3 in piece ginger, peeled and finely chopped
    1 ts fenugreek seeds
    1 ts ground cumin
    1 ts cardamom seeds
    1 ts dried oregano
    1/2 ts ground turmeric
    8 basil leaves

    Ethiopian spiced butter

    Melt the butter in a saucepan over low heat,
    stirring frequently. Skim and discard foam that
    rises to the top. Continue cooking, without
    letting the butter brown, until no more foam
    appears. Add the seasonings and continue
    cooking for 15 min, stirring occasionally.
    Remove from the heat and let stand until the
    spices settle. Strain through a finesieve
    before using.

    Store in the refrigerator in a tightly covered
    container for up to 3 weeks.

    Marcus Samuelsson, The Soul of a New Cuisine

    ... The four seasons are salt, pepper, mustard and vinegar.

    I'd substitute garlic for the mustard, but truth be told,
    one needs many more than four. Maybe a dozen would do it,
    sort of like Tchaikovsky's Seasons. What would they be,
    let's see. for me, salt, pepper, garlic, ginger, cumin,
    sage, thyme, oregano, soy, hot pepper, balsamic, sesame.
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Michael Loo on Monday, May 13, 2019 01:51:04
    On 05-12-19 09:21, Michael Loo <=-
    spoke to Nancy Backus about 367 ice cream was: + <=-

    Too bad they couldn't take it with them for later.... There are a number
    of places around here that we regularly see that sort of overordering...
    not so bad if one is expecting to take home to eat the next day or at
    least for another meal... but definitely a bummer when good food gets
    left behind....

    In Europe doggy bags are a newish thing and still kind
    of looked askance at. The natives generally solve the
    problem by not ordering more than they can eat. Anyhow,
    it's not like we had any place to take our leftovers.

    There are not many restaurants in our orbit that do not make the serving
    size much more than we can eat. There are a few who might offer "senior sizes", but not a lot. Best that we can do is to choose between bring
    half of each entree home, or split an entree (if we find something that
    both of us like equally). The only other alternative is to graze on
    appetizers -- which we do sometimes.


    You may well have had this exact dish at Ian's. Most notable thing
    about the recipe to me is his run-on sentences. I've had eggplant so
    rarely, I could not begin to say how this would taste.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05

    Title: Brinjal Moju (Eggplant Moju)
    Categories: Side dish, Indian, Vegetable
    Yield: 4 Servings

    450 g Eggplant
    100 g Green pepper
    150 g Shallots
    2 Cloves garlic
    3 sl Ginger
    250 ml Oil
    50 ml Vinegar
    1 ts Salt
    1/2 ts Turmeric
    1 ts Ground mustard
    1 ts Sugar

    Slice the eggplant and green pepper lengthways clean the shallots,
    crush the garlic and shred the ginger. Heat the oil and fry eggplant
    slices until browned. Remove, drain and set on one side. In the same
    oil lightly fry the green pepper and shallots and when soft drain and
    set on one side. Pour off most of the oil and add garlic, ginger,
    vinegar, salt, turmeric and mustard to the pan and cook for 2 - 3
    minutes. Add the eggplant slices, green pepper and shallots and cook
    for a further 5 minutes. Just prior to serving stir in the sugar.
    From "A taste of Sri Lanka" by Indra Jayasekera, ISBN #962 224 010 0

    From: Ian Hoare Date: 08-16-96
    Cooking

    MMMMM


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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to MICHAEL LOO on Friday, May 17, 2019 20:16:00
    Quoting Michael Loo to Nancy Backus on 05-12-19 09:21 <=-

    One can take the tack that those who are fooled
    deserve to be fooled, but to me that's sort of
    arid as well as passing a buck that should be
    addressed by culture as a whole.
    I think that might be the case in a few instances, but generally agree
    that is pretty much a cop out instead of dealing with it as it should be dealt with...
    When bad decisions are celebrated all kinds of places,
    how does one prevent them, that is the question.
    Whether it's nobler to suffer the slings and arrows of
    outrageous idiocy or to take arms against a sea of
    troubles, and by opposing end them?

    Hamlet, sorta... And the trick is whether or not opposing them is
    sufficient to end them... one could hope, but....

    Convenience ruled... but might not again...?
    It was a strange hotel and a strange restaurant in
    the strange hotel. Next time, probably not there.
    After all, Xochi is in the Marriott Marquis a few
    blocks away, and though the rooms there cost maybe
    $50 more, it might be worth it.
    Sounds like...
    There are many days when $50 is a lot of money to me.

    And even more for me... Just agreeing that sometimes the value added
    makes the difference, and might even even out to be less cost overall...

    I could see him trying to pad his bottom line.
    In which case perhaps it would have been reportable...?
    To whom?
    Corporate...?
    Which might punish him by cutting him into the
    profit-sharing scheme. Thinking corporate will be
    on the side of the consumer is, well, unrealistic.
    Point taken... ah, well....
    One wonders whether there was a time when the larger
    companies actually attempted to build market based on
    kindness or even fairness.

    I'd like to think, possibly, there had been... and even that it might
    again happen... :)

    by busy celebrity musicians (Marcus Thompson and
    Irina Muresanu are the two I referenced in this
    conversation), which adds to prestige value but
    doesn't add to the effectiveness. It's not that they
    are lazy or don't mean well, just that there are other
    demands on their time.
    So, understandable... but not conducive to having the necessary
    quorum...
    So we fake a quorum - we're not required to make
    reports on our activities more than annually anyhow,
    and we figure that meetings with more members than
    required outnumber the ones with fewer, so there.

    Sounds perfectly reasonable to me... :)

    The proliferation of tape recorders was a
    terrible thing.
    Capturing for posterity as they did, all the glitches....
    I eventually learned to play it safe for the microphone,
    but that seemed a little pointless.
    Seems like that inhibits the musicality....
    It feeds into a uniformitarian mindset that was started
    by editable sound and visual media. Instead of recordings
    simulating live performances, live performances now try
    to simulate recordings.

    Thus missing the point.... ;0

    Which explains the chamorro recipes attached to my messages... ;)
    Yeah - the first time we went, they gave us just the
    English menu, in which the word came out as "garnished,"
    so the text read something like garnished of pork
    with garnished of red onions and sauce sauce. That's
    to say not really instructive.
    And one couldn't exactly ask the waiter for details, since there was the language barrier there, too...
    One could try and did. Luckily there was mutual
    amusement rather than outrage, but unluckily there was
    no usable information forthcoming from the interactions.

    That's what I meant....

    Should you return, you'll know which to get... :)
    There's plenty on the menu that would appeal to me; for
    Lilli not so much.
    I was thinking primarily of the afters, there.... ;)
    It's possible we or I will return, but with dessert
    offerings it's difficult to predict a day in advance,
    much less years, pastry shops being what they are.

    Point taken.

    Often when I go out I order one Haxe
    for two, which is generally understood. At the late
    lamented Barfusser in Nuremberg, that got a smile and
    an understanding nod from the otherwise poker-faced
    waiter, who looked with dismay on our colleagues who
    despite our cautioning them not to ordered the set
    dinner for 6 for 4 people (and ended up leaving more
    than half of it).
    Too bad they couldn't take it with them for later.... There are a number
    of places around here that we regularly see that sort of overordering...
    not so bad if one is expecting to take home to eat the next day or at
    least for another meal... but definitely a bummer when good food gets
    left behind....
    In Europe doggy bags are a newish thing and still kind
    of looked askance at. The natives generally solve the
    problem by not ordering more than they can eat. Anyhow,
    it's not like we had any place to take our leftovers.

    True, so all the more reason to have ordered sensibly...

    ... There is no feast that does not come to an end.
    I might say that, but it's funny for you to say that.
    Why would you say that... I have yet to know of any unending feast... at least here on earth... ;)
    One can answer that two ways, both bordering on the
    religious. One is: life is an unending feast in itself,
    though not all the courses are equally good. The other
    is as you say, but it would be offtopic to say so.

    Actually I was asking why you'd say that it would be funny for me to say
    that rather than for you to say it.... :)

    ... The four seasons are salt, pepper, mustard and vinegar.
    I'd substitute garlic for the mustard, but truth be told,
    one needs many more than four. Maybe a dozen would do it,
    sort of like Tchaikovsky's Seasons. What would they be,
    let's see. for me, salt, pepper, garlic, ginger, cumin,
    sage, thyme, oregano, soy, hot pepper, balsamic, sesame.

    Not sure I'd come up with twelve for me... your first four (sparing on
    the salt), turmeric, hot pepper, maybe sesame... clove, cinnamon.
    alllspice and bay for spiced meats...

    And speaking of T's Seasons, I recently finally heard Dvorak's The
    Amercan Flag... I'd not really missed anything... (G)

    ttyl neb

    ... Jumbo shrimp? Let us examine this concept more closely.

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