• 362 picnics was overflow + travel was was overflow and o

    From MICHAEL LOO@1:123/140 to RUTH HAFFLY on Saturday, May 11, 2019 06:33:54
    Europe was a long time organising into countries--lots of
    city-states > and territories until well into the 19th century.
    And is still in that same flux.
    The EU sounded like an interesting concept originally but in reality,
    it's been not the ideal it hoped to be. It could have worked in some
    aspects but unifying other areas was not the best of ideas. At least
    they didn't try to enforce a common language. (G)

    I think that complete international cooperation is
    eventually necessary for our species survival. As of
    now, it is a utopian idea that, like socialism, relies
    too much on human perfectability in the near run. The
    EU is, as many institutions, as good as people could
    come up with given the constraints and the imperfect
    understandings of the day. As with the United States,
    one may add, but we started with a relatively clean
    slate and instead of allowing for multiple cultures
    as was necessary in Europe just ran roughshod over
    the one that preceded the colonials.

    When European unity was suggested I saw it as another
    effort by Germany to take over the world, which in some
    senses it may be. The ironic thing is that if the UK
    leaves, the alternatives are pretty grim - mass poverty
    on the Isles, a military-based attempt to reconstruct a
    British empire, or reliance on Europe for basically alms,
    making Britain exactly the vassal state it's trying to get
    away from being (which many pretend it is). The fact is
    that unless England is completely reruralized, there is no
    way it can sustain itself (Ireland and even Scotland are
    not at capacity, not sure about Wales).

    That's part of the fun of these events--how well can we shoe-horn
    things > into the fridge? (G)
    I still think curbing our generosity from the
    start is practically speaking the way to go.
    Probably so, but in reality, it doesn't seem to work that well. If half
    of us cooked one day, the other half another day, we'd still end up with
    lots of left overs. (G)

    But it would be a start. At Lydia's I tried to stay out
    of it, sous-ing (not sousing as I originally wrote) only,
    but the occasional something obtruded, and I ended up
    being part of the problem.

    Yes, and the doctor was good about working around things like that. After I got the diagnosis, he postponed surgery until after we made
    a > trip up to NY and attended our first picnic--at the Shipp's in MD, in > 2007.
    I'm presuming that you would have gone doctor
    shopping if that were not the case.
    Probably not as Steve was still active duty. Military medical care was
    less than having to pay out of pocket civilian care. We only saw one
    bill for all the surgery, radiation, MTI, etc and that was because
    whoever coded the SSN# was wrong by one digit. It didn't match what was
    on file--when I saw it was wrong, I called the help # on the bill & gave
    them the correct #. They then said our balance was $0.

    Hah, that happened to me with the social security
    number, and it was a mess.

    All the better.
    Very much so!
    I'm going in Wednesday; still doing well on the healing now.

    Fingers crossed.

    than the flight, with the joke made more than once
    from the cockpit, we're on our way driving to Fresno.
    Probably seemed like it at times.
    No doubt the pilots had heard the complaints
    before and were trying to defuse the situation
    with humor.
    Sounds likely.

    Or a member of the rock group KISS.
    A group I never saw nor had the desire to
    see or hear. Of course, I never had the urge
    to encounter New Guinea headhunters, either.
    Same here. (G)

    I might almost rather see the headhunters.

    Species preservation, I guess.
    Probably so.
    Nobody wants to see one's offspring damaged,
    and the instinct is strong enough to make a
    parent (of many species, not just ours) be
    willing to sacrifice all if necessary for
    their sake.
    The mamma bear mentality?

    Pretty much, though mamma bears tend to take
    the the best defense is a good offense view rather
    than the sacrifice oneself for the future one.

    We've gone a goodly distance from the American-style
    farm with lots of goodies at the fingertips to a
    landscape where the milkman is the lucky one.
    Yes, and I can remember milk being delivered. Tarms would haul it to
    local dairies where it would be processed, then sent out. We had a sign
    to put in our front door window to indicate how much milk we wanted; if
    Mom wanted ice cream or anything else, she'd tell the milk man when when
    he delivered & he'd get it off the truck.

    We had a regular order with Thompson's Honor Dairy and
    an insulated metal milkbox outside the back door.

    My only concession to the healthiness thing has been
    to avoid brominated flour, though the noodles I made
    a few days ago used the stuff, because it was all that
    was available.
    You can use fresh ground flour over the picnic week end.

    Does that mean I'll have to hull and scrub the wheat
    by hand?

    Title: Sourdough Bread
    We've had various starters going over the years. The current one has
    been going not quite 3 years; Steve's sister gave us some that she'd originally gotten from King Arthur Flour. We turned it into a whole
    wheat version. (G)

    Is there a reliable way of keeping it going without
    getting weird in a few years?

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.01

    Title: Fresh Berry Crumb Pie
    Categories: Cyberealm, Mom's best, Pies
    Yield: 1 pie

    MMMMM--------------------CRUMB CRUST/TOPPING:-------------------------
    1 c Hazelnuts or almonds (4 oz)
    2 c Flour
    1/2 c Sugar
    3/4 c (1 1/2 sticks) chilled
    .butter cut into small pats

    MMMMM--------------------------FILLING:-------------------------------
    1/2 c Sugar
    1 1/2 tb Cornstarch
    2 pt Fresh berries

    1. Preheat oven to 350F. To prepare crumb crust/topping, spread nuts
    in a medium baking pan. Roast the nuts, stirring occasionally, until
    toasted, about 10 min.

    2. Remove nuts from the oven and turn out onto a cloth towel. Rub off
    and discard the papery skins. Increase the oven temp to 450F.

    3. In a food processor fitted with the metal blade, process the nuts
    until finely ground, about 10 seconds.

    4. In a large bowl, mix together the nuts, flour, and sugar. Using a
    pastry blender or two knives, cut the butter into the flour mixture
    until coarse crumbs form.

    5. Using fingers, evenly press half of the crumb crust/topping mixture
    into the bottom and sides of an 8 or 9 inch tart pan.

    6. To prepare the filling, in a medium bowl, mix together the sugar
    and the cornstarch. Gently fold in the berries. Spoon the berry
    mixture into the crust, spreading evenly.

    7. Sprinkle the berry mixture evenly with the remaining crumb crust/
    topping mixture.

    8. Bake until topping is golden and bubbly, about 30 minutes.
    Transfer the pan to a wire rack to cool for 10 minutes. Serve warm.

    Typed for you by Linda Fields, Cyberealm BBS and home of Kook-Net
    Watertown, New York 315-786-1120

    MMMMM
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5
    * Origin: Fido Since 1991 | QWK by Web | BBS.FIDOSYSOP.ORG (1:123/140)
  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to MICHAEL LOO on Saturday, May 11, 2019 17:33:15
    Hi Michael,

    Europe was a long time organising into countries--lots of
    city-states > and territories until well into the 19th century.
    And is still in that same flux.
    The EU sounded like an interesting concept originally but in
    reality, > it's been not the ideal it hoped to be. It could have
    worked in some
    aspects but unifying other areas was not the best of ideas. At least they didn't try to enforce a common language. (G)

    I think that complete international cooperation is
    eventually necessary for our species survival. As of
    now, it is a utopian idea that, like socialism, relies
    too much on human perfectability in the near run. The

    So society has a long ways to go before we reach utopia--if we ever
    will.

    EU is, as many institutions, as good as people could
    come up with given the constraints and the imperfect
    understandings of the day. As with the United States,
    one may add, but we started with a relatively clean
    slate and instead of allowing for multiple cultures
    as was necessary in Europe just ran roughshod over
    the one that preceded the colonials.

    Which we're still fighting those battles, to some extent.

    When European unity was suggested I saw it as another
    effort by Germany to take over the world, which in some
    senses it may be. The ironic thing is that if the UK
    leaves, the alternatives are pretty grim - mass poverty
    on the Isles, a military-based attempt to reconstruct a
    British empire, or reliance on Europe for basically alms,
    making Britain exactly the vassal state it's trying to get
    away from being (which many pretend it is). The fact is
    that unless England is completely reruralized, there is no
    way it can sustain itself (Ireland and even Scotland are
    not at capacity, not sure about Wales).

    And the sun will set on the British Empire.

    shoe-horn > ML> things > into the fridge? (G)
    I still think curbing our generosity from the
    start is practically speaking the way to go.
    Probably so, but in reality, it doesn't seem to work that well. If
    half > of us cooked one day, the other half another day, we'd still
    end up with > lots of left overs. (G)

    But it would be a start. At Lydia's I tried to stay out
    of it, sous-ing (not sousing as I originally wrote) only,
    but the occasional something obtruded, and I ended up
    being part of the problem.

    Fact is, we all like to cook and eat. Seems that no matter what we cook,
    we generate left overs which have to be used up, either as is, or
    incorporated into a new dish which in itself may generate more left
    overs. Then there are the "experiments" like comparing canned German
    potato salad to home made and using up the juices from the canned in
    some other dish...................all in all, lots to eat. (G)

    I'm presuming that you would have gone doctor
    shopping if that were not the case.
    Probably not as Steve was still active duty. Military medical care
    was > less than having to pay out of pocket civilian care. We only saw
    one
    bill for all the surgery, radiation, MTI, etc and that was because

    Hah, that happened to me with the social security
    number, and it was a mess.

    Somtimes you get it right the first time, other times, it's a royal
    mess.

    I'm going in Wednesday; still doing well on the healing now.

    Fingers crossed.

    The hole is almost all filled in now--down to an even smaller dressing.
    By the time I see the doctor again in early June, the hole should be all
    filled in. Got a good work out in therapy Friday, now that it can be
    worked with no danger of infection or incision line coming open.

    see or hear. Of course, I never had the urge
    to encounter New Guinea headhunters, either.
    Same here. (G)

    I might almost rather see the headhunters.

    As long as they've been well fed beforehand. (G)

    Species preservation, I guess.
    Probably so.
    Nobody wants to see one's offspring damaged,
    and the instinct is strong enough to make a
    parent (of many species, not just ours) be
    willing to sacrifice all if necessary for
    their sake.
    The mamma bear mentality?

    Pretty much, though mamma bears tend to take
    the the best defense is a good offense view rather
    than the sacrifice oneself for the future one.

    True, they'd rather do in the threat.

    We've gone a goodly distance from the American-style
    farm with lots of goodies at the fingertips to a
    landscape where the milkman is the lucky one.
    Yes, and I can remember milk being delivered. Tarms would haul it to local dairies where it would be processed, then sent out. We had a
    sign > to put in our front door window to indicate how much milk we wanted; if > Mom wanted ice cream or anything else, she'd tell the
    milk man when when > he delivered & he'd get it off the truck.

    We had a regular order with Thompson's Honor Dairy and
    an insulated metal milkbox outside the back door.

    We had the milk box too. But, once Mom started working, the milk man
    would come inside and put the milk into the fridge. Small town, nobody
    at that time locked doors so he could do that.

    My only concession to the healthiness thing has been
    to avoid brominated flour, though the noodles I made
    a few days ago used the stuff, because it was all that
    was available.
    You can use fresh ground flour over the picnic week end.

    Does that mean I'll have to hull and scrub the wheat
    by hand?

    No, we sift it and then run it thru the mill.


    Title: Sourdough Bread
    We've had various starters going over the years. The current one has been going not quite 3 years; Steve's sister gave us some that she'd originally gotten from King Arthur Flour. We turned it into a whole wheat version. (G)

    Is there a reliable way of keeping it going without
    getting weird in a few years?

    Use it often, keep it in the fridge when not using it.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
    rchaffly{at}earthlink{dot}net FIDO 1:396/45.28


    ... 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at.

    --- PPoint 3.01
    * Origin: Sew! That's My Point (1:396/45.28)