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    From MICHAEL LOO@1:123/140 to RUTH HAFFLY on Saturday, May 04, 2019 09:50:48
    Borders are funny things, especially in hotly-contested
    Europe. China in a way was luckier, being mostly unified
    for a very long time, though the outlying areas have
    always been disputed, as outlying areas always are.
    Europe was a long time organising into countries--lots of city-states
    and territories until well into the 19th century.

    And is still in that same flux.

    what the > general consensus/amount of leftover food, is that we could go to the > Italian place on Sunday.
    Sounds good. One thing about leftovers is that we
    all like to be generaous and so make more than we
    ought, with the inevitable result.
    That's part of the fun of these events--how well can we shoe-horn things
    into the fridge? (G)

    I still think curbing our generosity from the
    start is practically speaking the way to go.

    Very few conditions are so acute as to justify
    messing with a schedule, which would likely cause
    disappointment and depression that would be a risk
    factor in itself.
    Yes, and the doctor was good about working around things like that.
    After I got the diagnosis, he postponed surgery until after we made a
    trip up to NY and attended our first picnic--at the Shipp's in MD, in
    2007.

    I'm presuming that you would have gone doctor
    shopping if that were not the case.

    As above, no sense stressing.
    No, and as of the check yesterday, he's still satisfied with the
    rate of > progress. Said that I can come in, in 2 weeks now.
    All the better.
    Very much so!

    I used to go from LA to Fresho, and the LAX airport
    being so huge, the taxi and wait time was far longer
    than the flight, with the joke made more than once
    from the cockpit, we're on our way driving to Fresno.
    Probably seemed like it at times.

    No doubt the pilots had heard the complaints
    before and were trying to defuse the situation
    with humor.

    You could have looked like a New Guinea headhunter or
    something if you'd used lots of that paint.
    Or a member of the rock group KISS.

    A group I never saw nor had the desire to
    see or hear. Of course, I never had the urge
    to encounter New Guinea headhunters, either.

    For their offspring. If you have someone else to
    protect, sure.
    It works. (G)
    Species preservation, I guess.
    Probably so.

    Nobody wants to see one's offspring damaged,
    and the instinct is strong enough to make a
    parent (of many species, not just ours) be
    willing to sacrifice all if necessary for
    their sake.

    Remember > "FOTR"? He was a milk man--sold cups of it door to door in town.
    Fiddler, as most of those things, was a pipe dream.
    Semi in the range of possibility tho.

    We've gone a goodly distance from the American-style
    farm with lots of goodies at the fingertips to a
    landscape where the milkman is the lucky one.

    Title: Quick Sally Lunn
    4 c Cake flour; sifted
    I'd sub whole wheat pastry flour.

    My only concession to the healthiness thing has been
    to avoid brominated flour, though the noodles I made
    a few days ago used the stuff, because it was all that
    was available.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v7.07

    Title: Sourdough Bread
    Categories: Breads
    Servings: 3

    6 c Bromated Flour
    1/4 c (See note Below) Sugar
    1 1/2 ts (Or Less) Salt
    AFTER COMBINING THESE THREE
    -INGREDIENTS ADD,
    1 c Of Your . . . Sourdough
    -Starter
    1/2 c (We use Puritan Canola) Oil
    1 1/2 c Warm Water

    QTY MEASUREMENT PREPARATION INGREDIENT

    Keep starter in refrigerator except after feeding. Feed starter every 3
    to
    5 days. To feed, remove your glass container from the refrigerator, mix
    the above "TO FEED STARTER" ingredients, and add to your starter and
    stir.

    Leave the starter out of the refrigerator un-covered for 8 to 12 hours.
    Return the container to the refrigerator for 3 to 5 days before feeding
    again. Initially I suggest that you feed the starter at least two times
    before you make your first batch of bread. (Just to build up your supply
    and allow it to work well.) To make bread, take the starter out of the
    refrigerator and stir well and measure out one cup of the starter.
    Return
    the container to the refrigerator (cover the container lightly - we lay
    one
    of those small styrofoam (sp) bowls on top of the container). Mix the
    dry
    "TO MAKE BREAD" ingredients, then add the cup of starter, oil and warm
    water. Mix with a wooden spoon. The dough will become stiff, but
    continue
    till you have a nice ball of dough and all the dry flour has been
    absorbed
    into the ball of dough. Knead the ball in the pan 5 or 6 times. Then
    place the dough in another bowl (that has been sprayed with Pam). Turn
    the
    dough over so that both sides have received some Pam on it. Cover the
    bowl
    with a dish towel and let the dough double. Have patience, cause it make
    take several hours, or overnight, plus, before the dough doubles. (In
    the
    summer time we put ours out in the garage after we make it up about 9 PM,
    and the next morning it has really blossomed (more than doubled), but in
    south Texas it gets some hot from May to October. The key is patience!
    Don't sweat it, it due course it will double, or more. After doubling,
    turn the risen dough out on a floured surface and knead (is it knead or
    kneed - who cares - you know what I mean anyway) it sufficiently to
    remove
    most of the air bubbles. Divide the dough and place in bread pans that
    have
    been sprayed with PAM (or whatever) or use the new type that are
    non-stick.

    Let the dough rise again until above the edge of the bread pan an inch or
    two. Again, have patience with the rising - it will make it! A
    suggestion
    would be to always place the dough in the warmest place you can find, but
    don't put it in the oven with the light turned on to create some warmth -
    cause it will develop an undesirable crust on top. When risen
    sufficiently,
    heat your oven to 350 degrees, put the bread pans in and set the timer
    for
    20 to 25 minutes (depending on your oven). I would look at it after
    about
    20 minutes, and if the bottom of the loaf is lightly browned, take 'em
    out.
    We then take the loafs out of the pans and set them on wire racks on your
    counter and lightly brush the top of each loaf. This makes 3 nice
    loaves.
    The dough will also make about 24 nice biscuits.

    Divide the dough into balls twice the size of a golf ball, and flatten
    out
    with the palm of your hand, then fold over and lay in a pan with about 2
    inch sides. Let them rise sufficiently and bake as above. Usually the
    biscuits only take 15 to 17 minutes.

    TO MAKE OTHER TYPES OF BREADS, ADJUST BREAD RECIPE AS FOLLOWS:

    Wheat Bread: 4 Cups Bromated Flour + 2 Cups Wheat Flour

    Oatmeal Bread: 6 Cups Bromated Flour + 1 Cup Oatmeal Flour

    Raisin-Cinnamon-Nut Bread: Add 1 Tbsp Cinnamon, 1/2 Cup Chopped Nuts
    (Walnuts or Pecans) and 1 Cup of Raisins.

    NOTE REGARDING SUGAR IN BREAD MIX:

    When making our bread dough, (not when feeding the starter) we use one
    packet of "Sweet One", low calorie sugar substitute - instead of the 1/4
    cup of granulated sugar. "Sweet One" comes in a box of 50 packets. If
    you
    cannot find it call 1-800-544-8610 (Took this off of the box). We like
    it
    cause it seems to be the only sugar substitute that you can use for
    cooking.

    To soften the bread crust, brush the top of each loaf with margarine.

    From Ed Schwing

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to MICHAEL LOO on Sunday, May 05, 2019 17:43:30
    Hi Michael,

    Borders are funny things, especially in hotly-contested
    Europe. China in a way was luckier, being mostly unified
    for a very long time, though the outlying areas have
    always been disputed, as outlying areas always are.
    Europe was a long time organising into countries--lots of
    city-states > and territories until well into the 19th century.

    And is still in that same flux.

    The EU sounded like an interesting concept originally but in reality,
    it's been not the ideal it hoped to be. It could have worked in some
    aspects but unifying other areas was not the best of ideas. At least
    they didn't try to enforce a common language. (G)

    what the > general consensus/amount of leftover food, is that
    we could > ML> go to the > Italian place on Sunday.
    Sounds good. One thing about leftovers is that we
    all like to be generaous and so make more than we
    ought, with the inevitable result.
    That's part of the fun of these events--how well can we shoe-horn
    things > into the fridge? (G)

    I still think curbing our generosity from the
    start is practically speaking the way to go.

    Probably so, but in reality, it doesn't seem to work that well. If half
    of us cooked one day, the other half another day, we'd still end up with
    lots of left overs. (G)


    Very few conditions are so acute as to justify
    messing with a schedule, which would likely cause
    disappointment and depression that would be a risk
    factor in itself.
    Yes, and the doctor was good about working around things like that. After I got the diagnosis, he postponed surgery until after we made
    a > trip up to NY and attended our first picnic--at the Shipp's in MD,
    in > 2007.

    I'm presuming that you would have gone doctor
    shopping if that were not the case.

    Probably not as Steve was still active duty. Military medical care was
    less than having to pay out of pocket civilian care. We only saw one
    bill for all the surgery, radiation, MTI, etc and that was because
    whoever coded the SSN# was wrong by one digit. It didn't match what was
    on file--when I saw it was wrong, I called the help # on the bill & gave
    them the correct #. They then said our balance was $0.

    As above, no sense stressing.
    No, and as of the check yesterday, he's still satisfied with
    the > ML> rate of > progress. Said that I can come in, in 2 weeks
    now.
    All the better.
    Very much so!

    I'm going in Wednesday; still doing well on the healing now.


    I used to go from LA to Fresho, and the LAX airport
    being so huge, the taxi and wait time was far longer
    than the flight, with the joke made more than once
    from the cockpit, we're on our way driving to Fresno.
    Probably seemed like it at times.

    No doubt the pilots had heard the complaints
    before and were trying to defuse the situation
    with humor.

    Sounds likely.


    You could have looked like a New Guinea headhunter or
    something if you'd used lots of that paint.
    Or a member of the rock group KISS.

    A group I never saw nor had the desire to
    see or hear. Of course, I never had the urge
    to encounter New Guinea headhunters, either.

    Same here. (G)


    For their offspring. If you have someone else to
    protect, sure.
    It works. (G)
    Species preservation, I guess.
    Probably so.

    Nobody wants to see one's offspring damaged,
    and the instinct is strong enough to make a
    parent (of many species, not just ours) be
    willing to sacrifice all if necessary for
    their sake.

    The mamma bear mentality?

    Remember > "FOTR"? He was a milk man--sold cups of it door to
    door in > ML> town.
    Fiddler, as most of those things, was a pipe dream.
    Semi in the range of possibility tho.

    We've gone a goodly distance from the American-style
    farm with lots of goodies at the fingertips to a
    landscape where the milkman is the lucky one.

    Yes, and I can remember milk being delivered. Tarms would haul it to
    local dairies where it would be processed, then sent out. We had a sign
    to put in our front door window to indicate how much milk we wanted; if
    Mom wanted ice cream or anything else, she'd tell the milk man when when
    he delivered & he'd get it off the truck.


    Title: Quick Sally Lunn
    4 c Cake flour; sifted
    I'd sub whole wheat pastry flour.

    My only concession to the healthiness thing has been
    to avoid brominated flour, though the noodles I made
    a few days ago used the stuff, because it was all that
    was available.

    You can use fresh ground flour over the picnic week end.

    Title: Sourdough Bread
    Categories: Breads
    Servings: 3

    We've had various starters going over the years. The current one has
    been going not quite 3 years; Steve's sister gave us some that she'd
    originally gotten from King Arthur Flour. We turned it into a whole
    wheat version. (G)


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    Catch you later,
    Ruth
    rchaffly{at}earthlink{dot}net FIDO 1:396/45.28


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