• Stew

    From Dave Drum@1:229/452 to NANCY BACKUS on Friday, May 03, 2019 11:48:54
    NANCY BACKUS wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-

    I think Daddy managed to get a deal on the pre-cut... he might have cut
    it down himself at some point, but by the time I was helping cook, he
    was getting the pre-cut stuff, as I never had to cut it down, that I
    remember, anyway.... Cutting up the veggies for the stew, yes.... We
    made it with canned tomatoes and their juice, instead of the thicker
    gravy.... Probably it went farther that way....

    Seldom had 'maters (as such) in beef stew. Tomato paste, yes. And
    tatties, carrots, peas (in season), onion, sometimes a neep (not
    often). And I often omit the tomato entirely.

    I rarely add the tomatoes now when I make stew, although I've done
    once in a while.... Growing up, it was carrots, potatoes and
    bay leaf... maybe parsley flakes, too.... Now, I'll usually add
    celery and fresh garlic to that... not so often the bay leaf, and
    don't have parsley flakes on hand either.... and will also add
    whatever happens to be on hand to toss in as well at times... :)

    I don't often add celery because I stock it so seldom. Bay leaf is a
    staple item in my cabinet. And *always* onion. Don't think I've ever
    bought a container of parsley flakes. Fresh parsley - both flat and
    curly leaf .... of course

    And, of course, my general-purpose add-in .... dry "onion soup" mix. An inexpensive additive which works on many levels in many things. But,
    oddly, not for making onion soup.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Tenure Track French Onion Soup
    Categories: Soups, Vegetables, Cheese, Wine, Bread
    Yield: 2 Servings

    2 lg Vidalia-type onions; halved,
    - sliced 1/4" thick
    3 tb (to 4) butter
    Kosher salt & white pepper
    White wine; to cover onions
    Beef stock; homemade is best
    1 Leftover baguette; sliced
    - 1/4" thick
    1 c Shredded Gruyere or Fontina
    - cheese or a combination

    I'm taking a little break from stressing out about my future
    to bring you a new series, Ph.Dishes (yes, I really am that
    clever), in which I share with you something awesome that I
    just cooked, suitable for the scientist's wallet. Tonight I
    made French Onion Soup, something that literally everyone in
    the world likes.

    Cut the onions in half, and then slice them to 1/4 inch.
    Save the outer peelings in a freezer bag for future chicken
    or beef stock, an excellent trick I learned from my good
    friend LM. Toss the onions in a large stock pot or dutch
    oven with as much butter as you are comfortable with, but at
    least 3 tablespoons if you're really serious about this.

    Cook the S*** out of the onions on med-low heat, adding a
    hearty dash of kosher salt and a little white pepper and
    stirring only occasionally, maybe once every 5-10 min. This
    is going to take at least half an hour and most likely
    around 45 minutes or an hour if you want them really super
    caramelized, so it's a good idea to make yourself a cocktail
    while you wait.

    When you can't stand it anymore and have absolutely got to
    move on with your life, pour some white wine into the pot,
    enough to cover the onions. Turn the heat up and de-glaze
    the pan, stirring until the wine reduces and thickens,
    around 5 minutes.

    Add the beef stock, enough so that you are pleased with the
    broth-to-onions ratio, plus a little extra to account for
    evaporation. Bring to a boil and turn down the heat,
    simmering for 15 min. Set your oven to broil, and move a
    rack to the top shelf. You may want to make yourself a salad
    here, so that you'll have some actual vegetables with your
    dinner, not just some butter-soaked onions that have had
    every last trace of nutrients beaten out of them.

    Slice your baguette 3/4 in, but it's not like you need to
    break out a ruler or anything. Also, it's totally OK if the
    baguette is a little stale--it's just going to soak up all
    that oniony goodness! Place 2 or more ceramic bowls on a
    cookie sheet and pour the soup in each one, stopping when
    the distance between the soup surface and top edge of the
    bowl equals the thickness of your baguette slices. Lay
    however many baguette slices are required to cover the soup
    on top, and then, with a heavy hand, cover everything with
    cheese.

    Slide the whole sheet into the oven, and broil until the
    cheese is browned and bubbly. Don't burn yourself on the
    rack; I did this, and I can tell you first hand--that S***
    is HOTTT!!!

    When the cheese is satisfactorily amazing-looking (trust me,
    you will just know), remove the cookie sheet and let the
    soups cool at least 15 min. You HAVE to do this, or you will
    have no taste buds left at all, I swear. Eat your salad; it
    will distract you.

    Have 15 minutes gone by? Did you eat all your vegetables?
    You're sure? OK, dig in. Bon Appetit!

    Posted by Dr Becca, PhD

    From: http://dr-becca.blogspot.com

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Dave Drum on Saturday, May 04, 2019 02:36:02
    On 05-03-19 11:48, Dave Drum <=-
    spoke to Nancy Backus about Stew <=-

    And, of course, my general-purpose add-in .... dry "onion soup" mix.
    An inexpensive additive which works on many levels in many things. But, oddly, not for making onion soup.

    I think that has been discussed in the echo before. No one has admitted
    to actually making soup with it -- but it is a staple in many kitchens.
    Gail adds it to pot roasts.

    This does not look like it has any where near the heat level that I
    associate with Vindaloo dishes. OTOH, I have seen statements that
    vindaloo really means potato and vinegar, which this certainly has.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05

    Title: Chick-Pea Vindaloo
    Categories: Main dish, Indian, Vegetable
    Yield: 4 Servings

    1 tb Olive oil
    1 md Onion(s), thinly sliced
    2 ts Ginger, minced
    2 Garlic clove(s), minced
    1 ts Ground cumin
    1 ts Turmeric
    1 Cinnamon stick
    2 Green cardamon pods
    1 Bay leaf
    1/4 ts (to 1/2 tsp)
    -cayenne pepper
    -or to taste
    2 c Mushrooms, thinly sliced
    2 Tomatoes, peeled, seeded,
    -and chopped (1 1/2 cups)
    3 tb (to 4 tbs)
    -wine or cider vinegar
    2 c Cooked chickpeas
    2 Potatoes, peeled
    -and diced (2 cups)
    2 c (to 3 cups)
    -vegetable stock
    1 tb Tomato paste
    1/2 c Non-fat yogurt
    Salt and pepper

    1. Heat the oil in a large saut‚ pan. Cook the onion over medium heat
    for 2 minutes. Stir in the ginger, garlic, cumin, turmeric, cinnamon
    stick, cardamon pods, bay leaf, and cayenne and cook for 2-3 minutes
    longer, or until the onion is very soft.

    2. Increase the heat to high and stir in the mushrooms and tomatoes.
    Cooke for 2-3 minutes, or until most of the mushrooms liquid has
    evaporated. Stir in the vinegar and bring to a boil.

    3. Stir in the chickpeas, potatoes, 2 cups vegetable stock, the tomato
    paste, yogurt, salt and pepper. Simmer for 10 minutes, or until the
    potatoes and chickpeas are tender. Add stock as necessary to keep the
    stew moist. Just before serving, correct the seasoning, adding
    vinegar, salt or cayenne. The dish should be highly seasoned. Serve
    over basmati rice with dollops or yogurt and sprigs of cilantro.

    High-Flavor, Low-Fat Vegetarian Cooking by Steven Raichlen pg 171

    From: Ian Hoare Date: 12-02-96
    Cooking

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  • From Dave Drum@1:229/452 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, May 04, 2019 11:39:46
    Dale Shipp wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    And, of course, my general-purpose add-in .... dry "onion soup" mix.
    An inexpensive additive which works on many levels in many things. But, oddly, not for making onion soup.

    I think that has been discussed in the echo before. No one has
    admitted to actually making soup with it -- but it is a staple in many kitchens. Gail adds it to pot roasts.

    I tried once - following the package directions. Spit it across the
    room. eeeewwwwwwww .....

    This does not look like it has any where near the heat level that I associate with Vindaloo dishes. OTOH, I have seen statements that vindaloo really means potato and vinegar, which this certainly has.

    Indian cooking is as regional as American cooking. Goanese dishes tend
    to be spicier than, say, Bengali versions. Vindaloo is a south Indian
    dish (Goa is in south India).

    Korma is a Mughlai dish from northern India. And much more mild than the Madras/Goa stuff.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Chicken Korma A'la Eve
    Categories: Poultry, Vegetables, Dairy, Curry
    Yield: 4 servings

    1 md Onion; chopped
    1 cl Garlic; crushed
    500 g Diced lean chicken
    1 tb Curry powder
    1 tb Flour
    1 ts Ground cinnamon
    200 ml Chicken stock
    300 ml Natural yoghurt
    2 tb Chopped fresh coriander
    Salt & pepper
    1 tb Oil

    Heat oil in large wok or fry pan.

    Fry onion until soft, add the garlic and the chicken
    until the chicken changes colour.

    Sprinkle the curry and flour over the chicken.

    Toss the chicken so that it is completely covered.

    Add the cinnamon and cook for 1 minute.

    Gradually add the stock, stirring well and season to
    taste with salt and pepper.

    Simmer gently for 10 minutes until sauce thickens.

    Remove pan from heat, stir in the yoghurt and coriander
    and serve immediately.

    Serve with rice and chutney.

    RECIPE FROM: https://theoat.com

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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to DAVE DRUM on Tuesday, May 07, 2019 14:42:00
    Quoting Dave Drum to Nancy Backus on 05-03-19 11:48 <=-

    Seldom had 'maters (as such) in beef stew. Tomato paste, yes. And
    tatties, carrots, peas (in season), onion, sometimes a neep (not
    often). And I often omit the tomato entirely.

    I rarely add the tomatoes now when I make stew, although I've done
    once in a while.... Growing up, it was carrots, potatoes and
    bay leaf... maybe parsley flakes, too.... Now, I'll usually add
    celery and fresh garlic to that... not so often the bay leaf, and
    don't have parsley flakes on hand either.... and will also add
    whatever happens to be on hand to toss in as well at times... :)

    I don't often add celery because I stock it so seldom.

    Ever since the gout hit, I make sure I keep celery in stock... and
    haven't had any trouble managing to use it all before it goes bad any
    more.... it gets put into all sorts of things, and onion/garlic/celery
    is a basic building block for much of my cooking... all from fresh...

    Bay leaf is a staple item in my cabinet. And *always* onion. Don't
    think I've ever bought a container of parsley flakes. Fresh parsley
    - both flat and curly leaf .... of course

    I do have bay leaf, and dried minced onion, but rarely use them... And I
    don't use parsley, though I might if I had some, so don't think to get
    it fresh....

    And, of course, my general-purpose add-in .... dry "onion soup" mix.
    An inexpensive additive which works on many levels in many things. But, oddly, not for making onion soup.

    Haven't had that on hand for ages.... used to use it once in a while for
    making dips... never made onion soup, from a mix or from scratch,
    though... but have had it at a restaurant from time to time.... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to NANCY BACKUS on Wednesday, May 08, 2019 06:17:00
    NANCY BACKUS wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-

    I don't often add celery because I stock it so seldom.

    Ever since the gout hit, I make sure I keep celery in stock... and
    haven't had any trouble managing to use it all before it goes bad any more.... it gets put into all sorts of things, and onion/garlic/celery
    is a basic building block for much of my cooking... all from fresh...

    Add some bell pepper and you could become a Cajun cook. Bv)= I used
    to suffer gout-like symptoms when I was pounding up and down the nation's highways. My salvation was Doan's Pills - which work like Lasix/furosemide
    and keep the kidleys/system flushed out. Now that the doc has me taking a
    pee pill with my morning dope I don't have a problem any longer. Oddly,
    the furosemide - even without the Part D insurance - is le$$ than the
    OTC Doan's Pills.

    Bay leaf is a staple item in my cabinet. And *always* onion. Don't
    think I've ever bought a container of parsley flakes. Fresh parsley
    - both flat and curly leaf .... of course

    I do have bay leaf, and dried minced onion, but rarely use them... And
    I don't use parsley, though I might if I had some, so don't think to
    get it fresh....

    I have two varieties of bay leaf - Turkish and Californian. The Turkish
    variant is milder. If I need onion I use fresh. One of my gadgets comes
    in handy (two actually) for onions. The mandolin and the "As Seen On TV"
    onion chopper (dicer really). Parsley grows like weeds around here so
    it's easy to have fresh during the growing season. And it dries easily.

    And, of course, my general-purpose add-in .... dry "onion soup" mix.
    An inexpensive additive which works on many levels in many things.
    But, oddly, not for making onion soup.

    Haven't had that on hand for ages.... used to use it once in a while
    for making dips... never made onion soup, from a mix or from scratch, though... but have had it at a restaurant from time to time.... :)

    I'd just as soon have "beef tea" TBH. Onion Soup is so hard to get
    right - or at least to get right enough that I'll like it. Sort of
    like meatloaf. I've never managed to make a meatloaf that I was happy
    with. Same for onion soup. Although I have had some of each that I
    liked .... a few widely separated times.

    If a restaurant has a good French Onion soup chances are the rest of
    their offerings are going to be more than acceptable.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Celery Potage
    Categories: Five, Soups, Vegetables, Poultry, Udd
    Yield: 8 Servings

    2 qt Chicken Broth
    1/2 Stalk (not rib) celery;
    - chopped small *
    1 lg Onion; chopped
    6 cl Garlic; peeled, squished
    Salt & Pepper

    Put two quarts of chicken broth (1 48 oz can and 1 16
    oz can) and add chopped celery, onion and garlic in the
    crock pot. Add salt and pepper.

    Turn unit on to low and go to work.

    When you come home get out the immersion blender (Cajun
    motorboat) and puree potage until as smooth as you like.
    Soup will be thick and creamy.

    Taste for seasoning and add S&P as needed.

    You can add a couple diced potatoes to this to stretch
    it out a bit, if you like. If you use tatties - add
    more salt.

    * I first built this dish when I had a half stalk
    (bunch) of celery in the ice box that was past using
    in salads or anything requiring crunch - but, was too
    good to bin.

    Dish, recipe and MM by Dave Drum - 12 June 2002

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  • From Bill Swisher@1:261/1466 to Nancy Backus on Thursday, May 09, 2019 15:09:02
    Quoting Nancy Backus to Dave Drum <=-

    ... Pasteurization is murder! Won't someone think of the bacteria?

    You should look into the TTL, aka hop limit, on packets. I once proposed we get a mascara smeared Sally Stuthers to do a fund raiser for the poor packets...

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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to DAVE DRUM on Saturday, May 11, 2019 16:52:00
    Quoting Dave Drum to Nancy Backus on 05-08-19 06:21 <=-

    I don't often add celery because I stock it so seldom.

    Ever since the gout hit, I make sure I keep celery in stock... and
    haven't had any trouble managing to use it all before it goes bad any
    more.... it gets put into all sorts of things, and onion/garlic/celery
    is a basic building block for much of my cooking... all from fresh...

    Add some bell pepper and you could become a Cajun cook. Bv)=

    I thought they used the bell pepper where I use the celery... And I'm
    not all that enamored of bell pepper anyway, especiall green... ;)

    I used to suffer gout-like symptoms when I was pounding up and down
    the nation's highways. My salvation was Doan's Pills - which work like Lasix/furosemide and keep the kidleys/system flushed out. Now that the
    doc has me taking a pee pill with my morning dope I don't have a
    problem any longer. Oddly, the furosemide - even without the Part D insurance - is le$$ than the OTC Doan's Pills.

    Not all that surprising... it's one of the really inexpensive
    generics.... Dunno how expensive brand is... I've not taken it, and when
    I was picking it up for someone else it was always the generic version...

    Bay leaf is a staple item in my cabinet. And *always* onion. Don't
    think I've ever bought a container of parsley flakes. Fresh parsley
    - both flat and curly leaf .... of course

    I do have bay leaf, and dried minced onion, but rarely use them... And
    I don't use parsley, though I might if I had some, so don't think to
    get it fresh....

    I have two varieties of bay leaf - Turkish and Californian. The
    Turkish variant is milder. If I need onion I use fresh. One of my
    gadgets comes in handy (two actually) for onions. The mandolin and the
    "As Seen On TV" onion chopper (dicer really).

    I did buy a veggie dicer from Tupperware at a party my sister gave...
    sort of a mini manual food processor.... I've used it a few times, for
    onions and/or celery... usually I just leave the pieces bigger and don't
    worry about it....

    Parsley grows like weeds around here so it's easy to have fresh
    during the growing season. And it dries easily.

    Haven't bothered growing my own herbs for years...

    And, of course, my general-purpose add-in .... dry "onion soup" mix.
    An inexpensive additive which works on many levels in many things.
    But, oddly, not for making onion soup.

    Haven't had that on hand for ages.... used to use it once in a while
    for making dips... never made onion soup, from a mix or from scratch,
    though... but have had it at a restaurant from time to time.... :)

    I'd just as soon have "beef tea" TBH. Onion Soup is so hard to get
    right - or at least to get right enough that I'll like it. Sort of
    like meatloaf. I've never managed to make a meatloaf that I was happy with. Same for onion soup. Although I have had some of each that I
    liked .... a few widely separated times.

    I used to make meatloaf fairly regularly... At one point, I'd make it
    somewhat in bulk, bake one loaf (or two, or a large one, when we had
    more people living here with us), and then make up the rest of the
    mixture into patties, like hamburgers, and freeze them for later....

    If a restaurant has a good French Onion soup chances are the rest of
    their offerings are going to be more than acceptable.

    That can be a pretty good indicator... :) Rohrbach's (a local brewery
    and restaurant) has pretty good French Onion soup... and I don't think
    we've had anything there that wasn't acceptable... It's a favorite
    place for my little sister... especially when there are out-of-town
    family visiting... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to BILL SWISHER on Saturday, May 11, 2019 22:07:00
    Quoting Bill Swisher to Nancy Backus on 05-09-19 15:09 <=-
    Quoting Nancy Backus to Dave Drum <=-

    ... Pasteurization is murder! Won't someone think of the bacteria?

    You should look into the TTL, aka hop limit, on packets. I once
    proposed we get a mascara smeared Sally Stuthers to do a fund raiser
    for the poor packets...

    Ok.... you've totally lost me on that one.... :) Was this meant for
    someone else...? Or do I just not have the context....?

    ttyl neb

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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to NANCY BACKUS on Sunday, May 12, 2019 06:38:00
    NANCY BACKUS wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-

    Add some bell pepper and you could become a Cajun cook. Bv)=

    I thought they used the bell pepper where I use the celery... And I'm
    not all that enamored of bell pepper anyway, especiall green... ;)

    Other than colour I don't taste any difference. I'm am told that the red
    are sweeter that either the green (immature) or yellow (middle stage).
    And they have more beta-carotene. <SHRUG> I do not taste any enhanced sweetness. But, I do know that red does spoil/go soft much more readily
    than the green.

    Whatever. I use bell peppers a lot. And once my raised be planter is in
    place will plant bell peppers next to jalapenos to get my own Mexi-bells.

    I used to suffer gout-like symptoms when I was pounding up and down
    the nation's highways. My salvation was Doan's Pills - which work like Lasix/furosemide and keep the kidleys/system flushed out. Now that the
    doc has me taking a pee pill with my morning dope I don't have a
    problem any longer. Oddly, the furosemide - even without the Part D insurance - is le$$ than the OTC Doan's Pills.

    Not all that surprising... it's one of the really inexpensive
    generics.... Dunno how expensive brand is... I've not taken it, and
    when I was picking it up for someone else it was always the generic version...

    Before I got into the generic version the "real deal" Lasix was still
    under my (at that time) $10 co-pay for a month's supply.

    Bay leaf is a staple item in my cabinet. And *always* onion. Don't
    think I've ever bought a container of parsley flakes. Fresh parsley
    - both flat and curly leaf .... of course

    I do have bay leaf, and dried minced onion, but rarely use them... And
    I don't use parsley, though I might if I had some, so don't think to
    get it fresh....

    I've got a jar of minced garlic that I've never opened. If I'm not using
    fresh alliums in my cooking I resort to onion or garlic granules. When
    making chilli I habitually use the granules - mostly because they are
    a known and repeatable flavour profile. Fresh is liable to be all over
    the map on sweetness, pungency and strength.

    I have two varieties of bay leaf - Turkish and Californian. The
    Turkish variant is milder. If I need onion I use fresh. One of my
    gadgets comes in handy (two actually) for onions. The mandolin and
    the "As Seen On TV" onion chopper (dicer really).

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Stuffed Peppers
    Categories: Beef, Vegetables, Rice
    Yield: 6 Servings

    6 lg Green peppers; cored
    1 lb Ground beef
    1 c Rice; cooked
    28 oz Can tomato sauce *
    2 ts Salt
    1 cl Garlic; minced
    2 tb Onion; chopped
    1 qt Water; salted

    * or a jar of good, inexpensive marinara sauce - UDD

    Cut a slice in stem end of peppers. Remove seeds and
    wash thoroughly. Bring 3/4 cup salted water per pepper
    to boil, add peppers and cook for 5 minutes.

    Remove peppers.

    Set oven @ 350°F/175°C.

    Cook beef, garlic and onion in skillet till onion is
    tender. Drain off fat and stir in salt, rice and half
    the tomato sauce.

    Heat mixture.

    Stuff each pepper and stand upright in baking dish.
    Pour rest of tomato sauce over peppers. Bake, covered
    45 minutes. Uncover and bake 15 minutes.

    From: http://www.recipesource.com

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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to NANCY BACKUS on Sunday, May 12, 2019 06:41:00
    NANCY BACKUS wrote to BILL SWISHER <=-

    Quoting Bill Swisher to Nancy Backus on 05-09-19 15:09 <=-
    Quoting Nancy Backus to Dave Drum <=-

    ... Pasteurization is murder! Won't someone think of the bacteria?

    You should look into the TTL, aka hop limit, on packets. I once
    proposed we get a mascara smeared Sally Stuthers to do a fund raiser
    for the poor packets...

    Ok.... you've totally lost me on that one.... :) Was this meant for someone else...? Or do I just not have the context....?

    'Twas a facetious comment - a jape, if you will. Tongue-in-cheek.

    The word facetious comes from the French facétie for "joke," and has
    come to describe a joke with a little drop of sarcasm. It used to imply
    "funny and witty". Also, one of the few English words containing the
    vowels a, e, i, o, u in order.

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    Title: Homemade Ketchup *
    Categories: Condiments, Vegetables, Herbs
    Yield: 3 cups

    12 oz Tomato paste
    2 tb Dark brown sugar
    1/2 ts Dry ground mustard
    1/2 ts Kosher salt
    1/8 ts Ground allspice
    1/8 ts Cayenne pepper; or more
    1/8 ts Ground cloves
    1/8 ts Ground turmeric
    1/4 c Cider vinegar
    2/3 c (to 1 c) water; or more

    * using Store-Bought ingredients

    Measure and add all of the ingredients into a large
    mixing bowl.

    Use a whisk and stir until the sugar is completely
    dissolved.

    Store in an airtight container and refrigerate
    overnight for the flavors to develop.

    This homemade ketchup recipe should last for up 3
    weeks in the fridge.

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.simplyscratch.com

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  • From Bill Swisher@1:261/1466 to Nancy Backus on Sunday, May 12, 2019 07:46:00
    Quoting Nancy Backus to Bill Swisher <=-

    Ok.... you've totally lost me on that one.... :) Was this meant for someone else...? Or do I just not have the context....?

    Sorry, bad computer humor, poor little orphaned packets with an arbitrary lifespan.

    The TTL value is part of a TCP/IP packet, it stands for "Time To Live". Basically it's purpose is to keep packets from bouncing around forever. Every time a packet gets to a router it decrements the number and sends it on. When the TTL hits zero, the packet becomes a small pile of bits on the floor behind the equipment. Often mistaken for dust.

    The point being is that it's a preassigned number, with 64 being the "normal" initial value. On a lark I took a quick peek, it appears there are 8 routers between this computer and Washington State. As a rule every trip out of Alaska
    is just a short jet flight through Seattle to start with, 1450 miles and 3:30 on the clock. Internet traffic is no different. Could be worse, when I moved here in 1980 our data, where I worked, took 2 hops via geosynchronous satellites. That's almost half a second, one way, at the speed of light. That
    protocol required a handshake every second, so the Devil can be in the details.
    I won't go into unbalanced phone circuits and the echo they create.

    Sorry.


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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to BILL SWISHER on Tuesday, May 14, 2019 21:04:00
    Quoting Bill Swisher to Nancy Backus on 05-12-19 07:46 <=-

    Ok.... you've totally lost me on that one.... :) Was this meant for
    someone else...? Or do I just not have the context....?

    Sorry, bad computer humor, poor little orphaned packets with an
    arbitrary lifespan.

    OK, all you quoted was the tagline on a message from me to Dave Drum...
    Are you saying that was all of the message that arrived at your end...?
    And/or of the packet...? (See, I told you I needed the context...[g])

    The TTL value is part of a TCP/IP packet, it stands for "Time To
    Live". Basically it's purpose is to keep packets from bouncing around forever. Every time a packet gets to a router it decrements the number and sends it on. When the TTL hits zero, the packet becomes a small
    pile of bits on the floor behind the equipment. Often mistaken for
    dust.

    And that's all that was left of the packet....?

    The point being is that it's a preassigned number, with 64 being the "normal" initial value. On a lark I took a quick peek, it appears
    there are 8 routers between this computer and Washington State. As a
    rule every trip out of Alaska is just a short jet flight through
    Seattle to start with, 1450 miles and 3:30 on the clock. Internet
    traffic is no different. Could be worse, when I moved here in 1980 our data, where I worked, took 2 hops via geosynchronous satellites.
    That's almost half a second, one way, at the speed of light. That protocol required a handshake every second, so the Devil can be in the details. I won't go into unbalanced phone circuits and the echo they create.

    It's all magic and/or wizardry.... but I think I get a glimmer of what
    you are saying....

    Sorry.

    No problem.... I just wasn't sure what your bit of humor had to do with anything that I had said.... now maybe I do....? ;)

    ttyl neb

    ... There is a plot afoot to make me think I'm paranoid!

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Bill Swisher on Thursday, May 16, 2019 21:22:20
    Hello Bill,

    12 May 19 07:46 at you wrote to Nancy Backus:

    Sorry.

    I'd tell you a UDP joke but you probably wouldn't get it.

    (I didn't pick the tagline, GoldEd+ did.)

    Later,
    Sean

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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to DAVE DRUM on Friday, May 17, 2019 19:41:00
    Quoting Dave Drum to Nancy Backus on 05-12-19 06:42 <=-

    Add some bell pepper and you could become a Cajun cook. Bv)=

    I thought they used the bell pepper where I use the celery... And I'm
    not all that enamored of bell pepper anyway, especiall green... ;)

    Other than colour I don't taste any difference. I'm am told that the
    red are sweeter that either the green (immature) or yellow (middle
    stage). And they have more beta-carotene. <SHRUG> I do not taste any enhanced sweetness. But, I do know that red does spoil/go soft much
    more readily than the green.

    Well, the red is riper, so would be farther along in the process... To
    me, I do taste a difference, and the red (and orange and yellow) settle
    better for me than the green...

    Whatever. I use bell peppers a lot. And once my raised be planter is
    in place will plant bell peppers next to jalapenos to get my own Mexi-bells.

    Capitalizing on their propensity to cross-pollinate, eh...

    I've got a jar of minced garlic that I've never opened. If I'm not
    using fresh alliums in my cooking I resort to onion or garlic granules.

    I also have a jar of minced garlic... it gets used occasionally... but
    usually fresh nowadays...

    When making chilli I habitually use the granules - mostly because they
    are a known and repeatable flavour profile. Fresh is liable to be all
    over the map on sweetness, pungency and strength.

    I guess that could make sense... Granules aren't in my kitchen, but
    then I also really don't have need for their consistency, either...

    ttyl neb

    ... I am Procrastitron. I will destroy you, eventually.

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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to DAVE DRUM on Friday, May 17, 2019 19:58:00
    Quoting Dave Drum to Nancy Backus on 05-12-19 06:45 <=-

    ... Pasteurization is murder! Won't someone think of the bacteria?
    You should look into the TTL, aka hop limit, on packets. I once
    proposed we get a mascara smeared Sally Stuthers to do a fund raiser
    for the poor packets...
    Ok.... you've totally lost me on that one.... :) Was this meant for
    someone else...? Or do I just not have the context....?

    'Twas a facetious comment - a jape, if you will. Tongue-in-cheek.

    I recognized THAT... but not how the comment had anything at all to do
    with anything there...

    The word facetious comes from the French facétie for "joke," and has come to describe a joke with a little drop of sarcasm. It used to
    imply "funny and witty". Also, one of the few English words containing
    the vowels a, e, i, o, u in order.

    Yup, yup, and yup.....

    ttyl neb

    ... "Sometimes the only answer to death is lunch." -- Jim Harrison

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Dale Shipp on Monday, May 20, 2019 18:53:04
    Re: Re: Stew
    By: Dale Shipp to Dave Drum on Sat May 04 2019 05:36 am

    On 05-03-19 11:48, Dave Drum <=-
    Gail adds it to pot roasts.

    Ok, that quote didnt work! Anyways, on the onion soup and the difference in dried black eyed peas and fresh frozen.

    I use onion soup mix too but in other ways like Gail does. I use about 4 packets a year. I have never used it in a soup as best as I can recall.

    Totally agree that there is a huge difference in taste and mouthfeel with dried black eyed peas and fresh (includes frozen fresh). I honestly preferred dried but that may be a combination of recipies I use and that they adapt to dried better, and me being really not used to seeing them fresh.

    xxcarol
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