• 749 more various heal

    From MICHAEL LOO@1:123/140 to NANCY BACKUS on Wednesday, May 16, 2018 12:10:44
    What does one do to insulate oneself from
    the effects. Not asking for me, of course,
    but a friend.
    Other than not being surprised when it happens, the only thing we did to insulate ourselves was to not be living up to the fullness of the
    income, so that when things fell apart, we were in a reasonably ok position... house and cars paid off, living in the city so lower taxes
    than the suburbs, no college debt from our college or our son's... and
    used to living on a lot less than we used to have coming in.... also
    had some savings and such to fall back on....

    I'm afraid that my friend who is facing this
    was not so foresightful, choosing perhaps to
    take more after me.

    One consoles oneself by that the useless stuff
    keeps people busy who would otherwise be causing
    trouble and inefficiency. Or almost as bad,
    starving in the gutter.
    Perhaps...

    Efficiency is not everything and amounts to
    cruelty in a lot of cases.

    It sounds from all reports that Tops was never
    particularly toppy, more bottomlike.
    When they first arrived in Rochester, many years ago, they were decent enough... the very first one was fairly near us and we shopped there
    fairly often, along with other grocery stores... including, after a
    while, Wegmans... :)

    The downside of Wegmans or any other business
    that sets the bar too high for others.

    Back then I was more shopping the sales, which
    was easier to do back then.... :) But they didn't stay at that level of competence, and gradually we found that their fresh offerings just
    didn't stack up to what we expected... For a while, we did still go

    Shopping the sales makes sense for those on
    a budget. Might tend to skew one's diet, though.

    there to stock up on certain name brand items when they'd have them on
    sale, but then it seemed as though they never had what we wanted in
    stock when we'd go... The original store had closed by then (moved to a bigger location, a bit further away), and lots more had opened around
    town, but we were finding the problems at just about any store of theirs after a while...

    And so the slide begins.

    True. Generally all that shows is at the basic level... when that goes bad, chances are the behind the scenes is much worse....
    Leading to the pessimist's motto - things are
    never as good as they look.
    Not always the case, though... just often enough to lend credence...

    As in real life, people choose evidence based
    on their predilections.

    That's where one might go for the old doc
    rather than the young hotshots who seem to
    think that things always go as they should.
    Depends on the docs... I've had older ones that are pretty hidebound,
    and younger ones that are more willing to pay attention to the
    exceptions... As well as, of course, older docs that have learned
    something over the years about how things really are, and young ones
    that haven't figured out anything yet... (G)

    That last sentence pretty much describes my
    general attitude towards the profession.

    Possibly... the ones that fed off the backs of our books in Mississippi might not have tasted too bad, unless they have some sort of nastiness inherent in their shells....
    There are I believe scent glands; what I was
    most intrigued by was the egg cases, which might
    make a crunchy and innocuous snack if fried.
    When you get around to trying that, let us know how it was... ;)

    Of course, if it happens.

    I'm not sure which this was - for the reporter
    it was bad in the short term, but who knows in
    the bigger picture.
    She might have been better off without that job, you think...?
    Okay, we're thinking in the USA's relative freedom
    context. Envision someone who is fired from a job
    due to government intervention. What enterprise is
    going to risk hiring her?
    I guess she'd have to emigrate here.... ;/

    It's hard to emigrate if your government has
    you on a list, which is certainly the case for
    her now.

    Vegetarian Makhani (Buttery Vegetable Curry)
    Categories: Indian, New Yorker, main
    Serves: 4

    h - for the Vegetables
    2 1/2 oz vegetable makhanwala mix
    - sub Parampara˙s Vegetable Jaipuri Mix
    15 oz frozen or canned mixed peas and carrots
    4 oz milk
    1/2 c red onion, diced
    1/4 c fresh red pepper, diced
    2 Tb vegetable oil
    1 ts mustard seeds
    h - for the Rice
    3 c precooked white rice
    1/2 c red onion, diced
    2-3 Tb vegetable oil
    3/4 ts cumin seeds
    1/2 ts mustard seeds
    h - Optional for rice
    1/4 ts red chili powder
    1/4 ts fenugreek leaves
    1/8 ts asafaotida

    To prepare vegetables
    Place oil in frying pan over medium heat. Add
    mustard seeds, onion, and red pepper.

    Add 1 c water and the vegetable makhanwala or
    jaipuri mix. Stir to combine. Continue to cook
    5 min. Add peas and carrots. Add milk. Stir to
    combine. Lower heat and allow mixture to simmer,
    covered, until ready to serve.

    To prepare rice
    In a frying pan, place oil over medium heat.
    Add cumin, mustard, and red onion; also optional
    spices. Stir to combine. Add cooked white rice
    and stir to combine. Cook over low heat until
    warmed.

    Serve vegetable makhani on top of spiced rice
    with naan bread as accompaniment.

    source: Couchsurfing Cook
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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to MICHAEL LOO on Friday, May 18, 2018 20:46:00
    Quoting Michael Loo to Nancy Backus on 05-16-18 12:10 <=-

    What does one do to insulate oneself from
    the effects. Not asking for me, of course,
    but a friend.
    Other than not being surprised when it happens, the only thing we did to insulate ourselves was to not be living up to the fullness of the
    income, so that when things fell apart, we were in a reasonably ok position... house and cars paid off, living in the city so lower taxes
    than the suburbs, no college debt from our college or our son's... and
    used to living on a lot less than we used to have coming in.... also
    had some savings and such to fall back on....
    I'm afraid that my friend who is facing this
    was not so foresightful, choosing perhaps to
    take more after me.

    Sounds as though perhaps your friend is seeing the inevitable much
    closer to that point... Richard mentioned that the other thing he did
    was choose the old-fashioned pension option when given the choice to
    move to something more modern... And he also clarified that a lot of
    what we did wasn't done consciously, just the way we lived...

    One consoles oneself by that the useless stuff
    keeps people busy who would otherwise be causing
    trouble and inefficiency. Or almost as bad,
    starving in the gutter.
    Perhaps...
    Efficiency is not everything and amounts to
    cruelty in a lot of cases.

    Indeed... as in just about everything, there's a balance there...

    It sounds from all reports that Tops was never
    particularly toppy, more bottomlike.
    When they first arrived in Rochester, many years ago, they were decent enough... the very first one was fairly near us and we shopped there
    fairly often, along with other grocery stores... including, after a
    while, Wegmans... :)
    The downside of Wegmans or any other business
    that sets the bar too high for others.

    We don't expect all the other grocery stores to measure up to Wegmans,
    but we do expect a certain level of competence and cleanliness... and
    for quite a while, Wegmans was only one of the stores that we'd
    regularly shop at... when we pulled back on how many stores, then the
    quality made a bigger difference...

    Back then I was more shopping the sales, which
    was easier to do back then.... :)
    Shopping the sales makes sense for those on
    a budget. Might tend to skew one's diet, though.

    I was pretty good at keeping the diet unskewed... not being too rigidly committed to only shopping sales... if something I wanted wasn't on sale anywhere, I still might get it... ;)

    But they didn't stay at that level of competence, and gradually we
    found that their fresh offerings just didn't stack up to what we
    expected... For a while, we did still go there to stock up on certain
    name brand items when they'd have them on sale, but then it seemed as
    though they never had what we wanted in stock when we'd go... The
    original store had closed by then (moved to a bigger location, a bit
    further away), and lots more had opened around town, but we were
    finding the problems at just about any store of theirs after a while...
    And so the slide begins.

    Exactly... and so it continues... ;/

    That's where one might go for the old doc
    rather than the young hotshots who seem to
    think that things always go as they should.
    Depends on the docs... I've had older ones that are pretty hidebound,
    and younger ones that are more willing to pay attention to the
    exceptions... As well as, of course, older docs that have learned
    something over the years about how things really are, and young ones
    that haven't figured out anything yet... (G)
    That last sentence pretty much describes my
    general attitude towards the profession.

    I've lately mostly had the experience of the older ones that have
    learned, along with younger ones that pay attention and listen...
    Unfortunately my older docs that I loved have retired, and at least one replacement isn't shaping up all that well...

    I'm not sure which this was - for the reporter
    it was bad in the short term, but who knows in
    the bigger picture.
    She might have been better off without that job, you think...?
    Okay, we're thinking in the USA's relative freedom
    context. Envision someone who is fired from a job
    due to government intervention. What enterprise is
    going to risk hiring her?
    I guess she'd have to emigrate here.... ;/
    It's hard to emigrate if your government has
    you on a list, which is certainly the case for
    her now.

    True... has she re-emerged from the abyss yet...?

    ttyl neb

    ... If life is a bowl of cherries, what am I doing in the pits? E.Bombeck

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