• 163 travel was crusty etc

    From MICHAEL LOO@1:123/140 to RUTH HAFFLY on Saturday, March 30, 2019 22:59:34
    Since computers can crunch numbers/data so much faster than people
    can, > it makes sense to use them. As I understand, Watson (the
    computer that > beat the all over top 2 Jeopardy players, is now used for medical
    research/analysis.
    I've got a couple uneasinesses about that.
    First, I have a similar suspicion with respect
    to them that you have regarding seeing-eye
    automation - lack of insight. and if they do
    eventually get insight, that's scarier still.
    Choice between a rock and a hard place or the devil & the deep blue sea.

    If you want to put it that way, yes.

    The other issue is that computers are hackable.
    That's very scary, knowing that so much can be compromised so fast.

    So I've always hated the idea of glass cockpits and
    am thinking that airplane systems could be hacked to
    amazing effect. This 737 Max thing is kind of getting
    to me.

    metrics. > ML> And then there are those of us who seldom measure
    at all. It's amusing that someone who basically can't
    see does most of his measuring by the eyeball method.
    If it works for you, don't belittle your methodology.
    That was a joke.
    It's also half serious--whatever works best for you, go for it. Just
    don't try to make something that calls for small, precise measurements
    unless you know how much your "pinch" really is.

    Mine wasn't.

    Though I'm pretty apprehensive about what happens to
    the rest of the flying fleet if Boeing goes down.
    Maybe it'll be reincarnated as a maintenance provider.
    I'm not even going to think about the possible ramifications to the air travel industry.

    It's kind of not so remote for me.

    But take your ordinary wonderful, wholesome apple. It
    contains 0.3 grams of fat. That's not zero, but it may
    be advertised as such, by the arcane rules.
    Close enough to fat free to be labeled as such.
    Yeah, and there are lots of foods that qualify for
    the labeling that really aren't. It shouldn't be
    this way.
    Do you think your wheel is squeaky enough to get the grease that will
    change the whole food labelling industry?

    My wheel isn't very squeaky, never was.

    Among other things. Fat is also a major player
    in our basic metabolism. If you don't eat enough
    of it, your body compensates in various ways,
    including making it, and if you even so don't have
    enough, you die.
    Can't win for losing.
    Can't win by losing, either.
    Unless it's unwanted pounds.

    Even so.

    It's another word that is wrongly applied to food.
    The question arises what constitutes right and
    wrong in this context. If there's such a thing.
    Personal choice, probably. I'd say that adore would apply to animate
    objects (people, animals, etc) but inanamate objects (food, drink, etc)
    would not be "adorable".

    The Catholics have even stricter criteria for
    the term, going back to the etymology, which
    is also why I'm disinclined to use it at all.

    AFAIK, the Raleigh TSA does well in that regard. Every so often the
    news > will have a story on "This is what the TSA confiscated in X months
    locally".
    And then you get stories about "our reporter took a
    hand grenade through security without being stopped."
    Not so many of those, actually.

    The studies show that substantially more
    contraband gets through than is caught. Not
    customarily as big or threatening as a
    grenade, but let's just say that we can
    be thankful that the typical smuggler of
    weapons is merely clueless rather than
    malevolent.

    Speaking of which, I was going out the security exit
    at Phoenix when in my peripheral vision I noted
    someone zip in the exit, which triggered an alarm.
    I was glad to be leaving the airport rather than
    trying to catch a flight.
    I'd agree with you there. It's been a while since we flew in/out of Sky Harbor--that was the one we'd use when we were in HI and our girls were (both) in AZ. Hawaiian had an overnight flight from Honolulu to Sky Harbor--very convenient for us.

    And it seems likewise that this particular
    transgressor was not significantly dangerous.

    RICH BLUEBERRY MUFFINS
    A couple of teaspoons of ground cinnamon makes them even better.
    To me, blueberries are delicate enough to
    require that other distracting flavor be kept
    out of the way.
    IIRC, the cinnamon was in the recipe in my James Beard cook book. I'd probably use a teaspoon, maybe less, of it, just to play off the
    blueberry taste.

    I'm very much a purist when it comes to
    blueberries. Cranberries, not so much,
    the sky's the limit.

    ---------- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v7.05

    Title: Festive Cranberry Loaf
    Categories: Breads, Fruits, Nuts
    Servings: 4

    2 c Unbleached flour; sifted 1 c Sugar
    1 1/2 ts Baking powder 1 ts Salt
    1/2 ts Baking soda 1/4 c Shortening
    1 Egg; lg, beaten 3/4 c Orange juice; fresh
    1 ts Orange rind; grated 1 c Raw cranberries;
    coarse chop
    1/4 c Walnuts; chopped 1 ts Unbleached flour

    Sift the 2 cups of flour, sugar, baking powder, salt and baking soda into
    a
    bowl then, using a pastry blender, cut the shortening in until crumbs
    form.
    Combine the egg, orange juice and orange rind and add to the crumb
    mixture
    all at once, stirring until just moistened. Combine the coarsely chopped
    cranberries, walnuts and 1 tb of flour and add the mixture to the batter.
    Pour into a greased and waxpaper lined loaf pan 8 1/2 X 4 1/2 X 2
    1/2-inch
    loaf pan. Bake in a preheated 350 degree F. oven for 1 hour or until a
    cake tester or wood pick inserted in the center comes out clean. Cool in
    the pan for 10 minutes before turning out to cool to room temperature.
    Wrap
    the loaf in aluminum foil and let stand over night for better slicing.
    Source: a file called BREADS.MMF

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to MICHAEL LOO on Monday, April 01, 2019 12:55:16
    Hi Michael,

    computer that > beat the all over top 2 Jeopardy players, is
    now used > ML> for medical
    research/analysis.
    I've got a couple uneasinesses about that.
    First, I have a similar suspicion with respect
    to them that you have regarding seeing-eye
    automation - lack of insight. and if they do
    eventually get insight, that's scarier still.
    Choice between a rock and a hard place or the devil & the deep blue
    sea.

    If you want to put it that way, yes.

    Do you want a computer programmed to do a rigid, based only on the data
    input by a human (and prone to errors) or a human who can take into
    account variables not available to the machine?

    The other issue is that computers are hackable.
    That's very scary, knowing that so much can be compromised so fast.

    So I've always hated the idea of glass cockpits and
    am thinking that airplane systems could be hacked to
    amazing effect. This 737 Max thing is kind of getting
    to me.

    Steve said something about it this morning, basically on the order of
    looking into alternatives, if needs be. We have the option, given enough
    time, of driving & taking the camper but that wouldn't always be a
    workable choice. Couldn't have parked it for a week in Seattle when we
    went on the cruise. (G)

    metrics. > ML> And then there are those of us who seldom
    measure > ML> > ML> at all. It's amusing that someone who basically can't
    see does most of his measuring by the eyeball method.
    If it works for you, don't belittle your methodology.
    That was a joke.
    It's also half serious--whatever works best for you, go for it. Just don't try to make something that calls for small, precise
    measurements > unless you know how much your "pinch" really is.

    Mine wasn't.

    Mine probably would be. (G)

    Though I'm pretty apprehensive about what happens to
    the rest of the flying fleet if Boeing goes down.
    Maybe it'll be reincarnated as a maintenance provider.
    I'm not even going to think about the possible ramifications to the
    air > travel industry.

    It's kind of not so remote for me.

    I know, but for travel in the States or within Europe, you could switch
    to trains. Don't know if you would want to take a cruise over to Europe
    tho.

    be advertised as such, by the arcane rules.
    Close enough to fat free to be labeled as such.
    Yeah, and there are lots of foods that qualify for
    the labeling that really aren't. It shouldn't be
    this way.
    Do you think your wheel is squeaky enough to get the grease that
    will > change the whole food labelling industry?

    My wheel isn't very squeaky, never was.

    No, but combine it with enough other not very squeaky wheels and you get
    a loud enough one that gets the grease.


    of it, your body compensates in various ways,
    including making it, and if you even so don't have
    enough, you die.
    Can't win for losing.
    Can't win by losing, either.
    Unless it's unwanted pounds.

    Even so.

    Some of them have a tendency to find their way back on.

    It's another word that is wrongly applied to food.
    The question arises what constitutes right and
    wrong in this context. If there's such a thing.
    Personal choice, probably. I'd say that adore would apply to animate objects (people, animals, etc) but inanamate objects (food, drink,
    etc) > would not be "adorable".

    The Catholics have even stricter criteria for
    the term, going back to the etymology, which
    is also why I'm disinclined to use it at all.

    I'm not familiar with it off the top of my head (forgotten 99.99% of my
    high school Latin) but might remember it if I heard it. My definition is
    basic enough that the point can be understood by most everybody.

    And then you get stories about "our reporter took a
    hand grenade through security without being stopped."
    Not so many of those, actually.

    The studies show that substantially more
    contraband gets through than is caught. Not
    customarily as big or threatening as a
    grenade, but let's just say that we can
    be thankful that the typical smuggler of
    weapons is merely clueless rather than
    malevolent.

    Most often it's a case of the contraband being in the luggage from a
    previous trip and not noticed when packing. I try to empty out the
    luggage completely before stowing it away to avoid unexpects surprises
    like that.

    Speaking of which, I was going out the security exit
    at Phoenix when in my peripheral vision I noted
    someone zip in the exit, which triggered an alarm.
    I was glad to be leaving the airport rather than
    trying to catch a flight.
    I'd agree with you there. It's been a while since we flew in/out of
    Sky > Harbor--that was the one we'd use when we were in HI and our
    girls were > (both) in AZ. Hawaiian had an overnight flight from
    Honolulu to Sky
    Harbor--very convenient for us.

    And it seems likewise that this particular
    transgressor was not significantly dangerous.

    Probably in a hurry and didn't pay attention to the signs on the door or
    some other innocent mis step.


    RICH BLUEBERRY MUFFINS
    A couple of teaspoons of ground cinnamon makes them even
    better. > ML> To me, blueberries are delicate enough to
    require that other distracting flavor be kept
    out of the way.
    IIRC, the cinnamon was in the recipe in my James Beard cook book.
    I'd > probably use a teaspoon, maybe less, of it, just to play off the
    blueberry taste.

    I'm very much a purist when it comes to
    blueberries. Cranberries, not so much,
    the sky's the limit.

    Other than craisins, I tend to ignore cranberries in all forms.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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