• 82 travel was crusty etc

    From MICHAEL LOO@1:123/140 to RUTH HAFFLY on Wednesday, March 13, 2019 11:53:12
    I know, just wanted to see your reaction. Probably depends a lot on
    what > you are making and what's available to go with it.
    More like the latter, though I admit that
    obscure and sometimes arbitrary variables exist.
    It's as good a reason as any. (G)

    Gngngngn (snarl).

    You might like to think that Spectrum is a small
    responsibly-run enterprise, and it may once have
    been that, but now it's just another cog in a
    monstrous agribusiness wheel.
    True, but it's not Crisco or similar.
    Another monstrosity, but I don't see it as all
    that much worse. Is Procter & Gamble worse than
    Hain Celestial? To me they appear comparable.
    Crisco is hydrogenated, the Spectrum isn't.

    I'm not convinced that it makes a difference.
    Trans fat, too. Much of the research implicates
    all palm oils in heart problems, so that lets
    out both those products ... and also, which the
    health nuts don't realize, coconut oil as well.

    It sounds like I'm more anthropocentric than you.
    Sure, all these animals have their place in the
    ecosystem, but to me their main role is to make my
    kitchen a more interesting place, not to eat up my
    vegetables (okay, maybe I don't care so much about
    that).
    It may not be as apparant to a 21st century, urban dweller as it was to
    a 18th century farmer but if there were an over or under balance of
    certain animals, insects or whatever, there would be a noticeable shift.

    Of course, ancient peoples would most likely
    have viewed small mammals in the way I do.
    They might have been more sympathetic to
    birds, which they could have noticed helped
    keep the insect population under control.

    and won't get vandalized by the creatures.
    Sounds good. We got some grapefruit once in AZ that were like
    that. > ML> And these folks are so blase about their
    good fortune. Once in a while Lilli will
    They usually are.
    After a while the novelty palls.
    And, certain drugs that have to be taken preclude grapefruit in the
    diet.

    There are always grapefruit-friendly
    alternatives.

    A vitamin C tablet does the same thing but probably not as appealing
    to > her taste buds. (G)
    It is I who worry about her malnutrition; she
    probably doesn't actually care about scurvy.
    If she eats a fairly well rounded diet, she shouldn't have to worry
    about scurvy.

    Consider whom you're referring to.

    especially the drops.
    Drops are the fully ripe ones, which are most
    appealing to animals that distribute seeds (I'm
    having a hard time imagining the mechanism for
    distributing avocado seeds!). It's not of course
    clear that what's appealing to a critter will
    be optimally tasty for humans. I liked avocado
    drops, but for me a little brown isn't a turnoff.
    A little brown is OK; these avocadoes were the size of softballs so
    there was plenty of useable avocado in them. Generally tho, we tried to
    pick our avocadoes from the tree.

    Was the picking criterion similar to that for
    peaches? I.e., ripe enough that a quick twist
    makes it come off.

    It's an adaptation of a Vietnamese delicacy.
    If your Vietnamese population is small enough,
    its restaurants will serve only the easy sellers,
    pho, banh mi, cha gio, and so on. Dollars to
    doughnuts the kitchen would be able to accommodate
    a special request for caramel pork by a compatriot
    or even a roundeye foreigner.
    Probably so, we've seen a few places in Raleigh that advertise pho.
    IIRC, we did try one when we first moved to the area but I don't
    remember what else was on the menu.

    Menus change, and I was referring to
    off the menu.

    Treacle tart
    categories: celebrity, historical, British, dessert
    yield: 1

    12 oz short crust pastry
    golden syrup
    2 oz breadcrumbs
    1 pn ginger
    - or a little lemon juice

    Make the pastry crust in the proportion of
    8 oz of flour to 5 oz butter, with a pinch
    of salt, and mix with cold water. Line a
    flat metal dish with the pastry. Cover with
    a layer of bread crumbs, then pour in the
    golden syrup. Sprinkle lemon juice or ginger
    over the syrup and cover with the remainder
    of the crumbs. Bake for 30 min in a hot oven.

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to MICHAEL LOO on Thursday, March 14, 2019 16:40:10
    Hi Michael,

    I know, just wanted to see your reaction. Probably depends a
    lot on > ML> what > you are making and what's available to go with
    it.
    More like the latter, though I admit that
    obscure and sometimes arbitrary variables exist.
    It's as good a reason as any. (G)

    Gngngngn (snarl).

    Sometimes that's the best reason. (G)

    True, but it's not Crisco or similar.
    Another monstrosity, but I don't see it as all
    that much worse. Is Procter & Gamble worse than
    Hain Celestial? To me they appear comparable.
    Crisco is hydrogenated, the Spectrum isn't.

    I'm not convinced that it makes a difference.
    Trans fat, too. Much of the research implicates
    all palm oils in heart problems, so that lets
    out both those products ... and also, which the
    health nuts don't realize, coconut oil as well.

    Can't win for losing sometimes.

    It sounds like I'm more anthropocentric than you.
    Sure, all these animals have their place in the
    ecosystem, but to me their main role is to make my
    kitchen a more interesting place, not to eat up my
    vegetables (okay, maybe I don't care so much about
    that).
    It may not be as apparant to a 21st century, urban dweller as it was
    to > a 18th century farmer but if there were an over or under balance
    of
    certain animals, insects or whatever, there would be a noticeable
    shift.

    Of course, ancient peoples would most likely
    have viewed small mammals in the way I do.
    They might have been more sympathetic to
    birds, which they could have noticed helped
    keep the insect population under control.

    Small mammals have their place in the ecosystem too so I don't write
    them off.

    and won't get vandalized by the creatures.
    Sounds good. We got some grapefruit once in AZ that
    were like > ML> that. > ML> And these folks are so blase about their
    good fortune. Once in a while Lilli will
    They usually are.
    After a while the novelty palls.
    And, certain drugs that have to be taken preclude grapefruit in the diet.

    There are always grapefruit-friendly
    alternatives.

    Yes, and we do buy other citrus.

    A vitamin C tablet does the same thing but probably not as
    appealing > ML> to > her taste buds. (G)
    It is I who worry about her malnutrition; she
    probably doesn't actually care about scurvy.
    If she eats a fairly well rounded diet, she shouldn't have to worry about scurvy.

    Consider whom you're referring to.

    Maybe add some lemon to a glass of water? push comes to shove, the
    vitamin C tablet is the easiest way to get C in the diet.

    especially the drops.
    Drops are the fully ripe ones, which are most
    appealing to animals that distribute seeds (I'm
    having a hard time imagining the mechanism for
    distributing avocado seeds!). It's not of course
    clear that what's appealing to a critter will
    be optimally tasty for humans. I liked avocado
    drops, but for me a little brown isn't a turnoff.
    A little brown is OK; these avocadoes were the size of softballs so there was plenty of useable avocado in them. Generally tho, we tried
    to > pick our avocadoes from the tree.

    Was the picking criterion similar to that for
    peaches? I.e., ripe enough that a quick twist
    makes it come off.

    Basically, the easier it is to pick, the riper it is. We had a picker
    pole (pole with a basket at one end, "tines" hooked over one side of the
    open end of the basket. Raise the pole, snag an avocado in the basket
    and pull. Then lower your pole to get the avocado out of the basket,
    repeat until you have as many as you want. We never did empty the tree
    as it had so many fruit, and a lot of them out of reach of even the
    pole.

    It's an adaptation of a Vietnamese delicacy.
    If your Vietnamese population is small enough,
    its restaurants will serve only the easy sellers,
    pho, banh mi, cha gio, and so on. Dollars to
    doughnuts the kitchen would be able to accommodate
    a special request for caramel pork by a compatriot
    or even a roundeye foreigner.
    Probably so, we've seen a few places in Raleigh that advertise pho. IIRC, we did try one when we first moved to the area but I don't remember what else was on the menu.

    Menus change, and I was referring to
    off the menu.

    Not being that familiar with the cuisine, we don't order off the menu.

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    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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