• 9 was overflow + Co

    From MICHAEL LOO@1:123/140 to NANCY BACKUS on Tuesday, February 26, 2019 11:04:50
    And plenty of people happily eating them.... :)
    Which left me with mixed feelings, as I
    wanted more for myself. The solution would
    have been to make an impossibly large batch,
    but I'd thought that the offering was enough
    (a rule of thumb is to make enough for 4,
    which in my admonitions for the echo picnics
    is amended to 2 to 4, but as I recall that
    dish would have fed 8-10 as a main course).
    I think the usual suggestions at our dinners is to make for 12... Partly taking into account the fact that not everyone is making that sort of
    dish, probably....

    If there's substantial participation, that
    guarantees lots of extra food, a situation
    one may or may not want (depending on the
    disposition of the leftovers).

    One has been known to make the comparison with
    the fabled jeweler Cardillac, who would create
    and sell pieces but then rob their in his mind
    undeserving new owners of them, but that's not
    quite apt, because I actually don't mind others
    enjoying the fruits of my labors (just so they
    don't get in my way of doing so myself). It may
    be the only Cardillac syndrome I don't have.
    (Is that perhaps a play on cardiac...?) You just should have taken a
    proper serving to begin with... :)

    Well, in one version of the story he gets lynched,
    and another has him killed by one of his intended
    victims, but none that I know has him confronted
    by the authorities and put under Cardillac arrest.

    The fun may not all be intentional on the
    part of either the writer, the consumer, or
    the manufacturer.
    Point.
    It's serendipitous, as are many of the disasters
    that also befall (if a disaster can be said to
    be serendipitous).
    Unplanned, anyway.... ;)

    Unplanned, unintended.

    In fact, it's like the old knockoffs that were
    essentially identical in appearance but not
    necessarily in function.
    Which I was careful not to get.... Basically, then, it's a new knockoff,
    but thinks to get away with using the good name of the original... Not unlike the Scottissue you and Ruth have been discussing... it's not been
    the same since KimberleyClark took it over.... been going downhill ever since.....

    Funny, because another of its products, Kleenex
    has a good reputation that the company seems
    eager to protect.

    For sure. ties in with our issues about
    corporate squeezing of every possible dollar.
    And their failing to recognize that quality would actually produce more dollars rather than less....
    But it doesn't. If it actually did, they'd
    do it.
    No, only if it was perceived to do so... Instead, people will
    eventually just stop buying it, and there will be less dollars
    produced.....

    The length of the view probably has a lot to do
    with it: with long-term positions being less
    frequent, there's incentive to go for the quick
    turnover and cash flow, and the loss of
    reputation, let someone else deal with that.

    Nice to hear a success story now and then.... :)
    It is. Not without bumps in the road, but
    it's been a half-century survival, better
    than a lot of enterprises.
    Indeed.

    Turns out that for the last decades it's been
    run by Barnes & Noble as well, though it's still
    a cooperative, returning the profits to the
    membership as described before.

    ... Burgers with no onion rings is like a movie with no popcorn.
    And potatoes and onions cost not much different,
    so why do the burger places offer fries as the
    default?
    Good question... and probably the answer also lies in perceptions.... as
    they charge way more for the onions....

    To be fair, you have to change the oil more
    frequently for onions, and it's hard to reuse
    it for frying something else afterward. Spuds
    are low on the flavor chain, so the oil can get
    reused for a wider variety of other things.
    They are even sometimes used to correct somewhat
    spoiled grease.

    Ooooooo.... that DOES sound good..... (G)
    Easily doable with a few extra hands to help with
    stuff like shredding cheese.
    So a good picnic project... :)
    As Ruth also noted.
    I saved that into my 'picnic' file... ;)

    Just do a timely reminder. Actually, it should
    be quite easy, if the hosts can assure a ready
    supply of pork belly.

    Oh, for sure, but I'm still not a filing the
    edges off person, even if my way involves a
    little more heartache now and then.
    The brave face often only masks the heartache...
    Did I write that sentence? Weird.
    You're in a weird frame of mind, perhaps....? :)

    Doesn't much matter, it's still true.

    I've kept up with 3 or 4 in each class with
    a few others fading in and out. The high school
    crop was only 54, though; college had 1600
    entering freshmen, most of whom graduated.
    No idea how many potential college classmates I have... RIT was pretty
    big even back then.... High school, even though I was only there for my senior year, I've ended up paying more attention to, since I've been
    involved in planning and going to the reunions.... 350+ in my class... I
    know more of them now than I did when I was in school, thanks to the reunions....

    That's one purpose of reunions - affinities
    become easier to find with age when the
    adolescent concerns fall away.

    Boiled Bamboo Shoot, Ham and Leek with Milk
    Categories: Japanese, main, odd
    Serves: 4

    1 boiled bamboo shoot(root part)
    1 Japanese leek
    3 sl ham
    1 knob ginger
    1 c soup stock - sub 2 Tb granulated chicken stock
    - dissolved in 1 c hot water
    1 c milk
    1/2 c fresh cream
    1 1/2 Tb cornstarch
    - dissolved in 1 1/2 Tb water
    salt
    white pepper

    Cut the bamboo shoot and Japanese leek into thin
    2" strips. Cut the ham and ginger into thin strips.

    Heat the oil in a deep frying pan. Add the bamboo
    shoot, ginger, Japanese leek and ham in this order
    to the frying pan and fry quickly.

    Add the soup stock, milk and fresh cream. Season
    with salt and white pepper. When it comes to a
    boil, thicken it with the starch and water mixture.

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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to MICHAEL LOO on Thursday, February 28, 2019 16:29:00
    Quoting Michael Loo to Nancy Backus on 02-26-19 10:04 <=-

    Which left me with mixed feelings, as I wanted
    more for myself. The solution would have been to
    make an impossibly large batch, but I'd thought
    that the offering was enough (a rule of thumb is to
    make enough for 4, which in my admonitions for the
    echo picnics is amended to 2 to 4, but as I recall
    that dish would have fed 8-10 as a main course).
    I think the usual suggestions at our dinners is to make for 12... Partly taking into account the fact that not everyone is making that sort of
    dish, probably....
    If there's substantial participation, that
    guarantees lots of extra food, a situation
    one may or may not want (depending on the
    disposition of the leftovers).

    There's generally enough people not making the main dishes that it's
    good to have the wide margin, especially since visitors are also
    encouraged to stay, should there be such... :) The leftovers, if any,
    go home with the maker/bringer.... or get sent home with some other family/single... When we bring gluten-free bread, we send the leftovers
    home with the family that is more than half with celiac issues... :)

    The fun may not all be intentional on the
    part of either the writer, the consumer, or
    the manufacturer.
    Point.
    It's serendipitous, as are many of the disasters
    that also befall (if a disaster can be said to
    be serendipitous).
    Unplanned, anyway.... ;)
    Unplanned, unintended.

    Right.

    In fact, it's like the old knockoffs that were
    essentially identical in appearance but not
    necessarily in function.
    Which I was careful not to get.... Basically, then, it's a new knockoff,
    but thinks to get away with using the good name of the original... Not unlike the Scottissue you and Ruth have been discussing... it's not been
    the same since KimberleyClark took it over.... been going downhill ever since.....
    Funny, because another of its products, Kleenex
    has a good reputation that the company seems
    eager to protect.

    Yeah... strange indeed...

    For sure. ties in with our issues about
    corporate squeezing of every possible dollar.
    And their failing to recognize that quality would actually produce
    more dollars rather than less....
    But it doesn't. If it actually did, they'd
    do it.
    No, only if it was perceived to do so... Instead, people will
    eventually just stop buying it, and there will be less dollars
    produced.....
    The length of the view probably has a lot to do
    with it: with long-term positions being less
    frequent, there's incentive to go for the quick
    turnover and cash flow, and the loss of
    reputation, let someone else deal with that.

    True... short-sightedness has become rather epidemic....

    Nice to hear a success story now and then.... :)
    It is. Not without bumps in the road, but
    it's been a half-century survival, better
    than a lot of enterprises.
    Indeed.
    Turns out that for the last decades it's been
    run by Barnes & Noble as well, though it's still
    a cooperative, returning the profits to the
    membership as described before.

    So will B&N be pulling out of there, too....?

    ... Burgers with no onion rings is like a movie with no popcorn.
    And potatoes and onions cost not much different,
    so why do the burger places offer fries as the
    default?
    Good question... and probably the answer also lies in perceptions.... as they charge way more for the onions....
    To be fair, you have to change the oil more
    frequently for onions, and it's hard to reuse
    it for frying something else afterward. Spuds
    are low on the flavor chain, so the oil can get
    reused for a wider variety of other things.
    They are even sometimes used to correct somewhat
    spoiled grease.

    Ok, I can see where that could push the price up some, and make them
    less likely to be the default....

    Ooooooo.... that DOES sound good..... (G)
    Easily doable with a few extra hands to help with
    stuff like shredding cheese.
    So a good picnic project... :)
    As Ruth also noted.
    I saved that into my 'picnic' file... ;)
    Just do a timely reminder. Actually, it should
    be quite easy, if the hosts can assure a ready
    supply of pork belly.

    We'll try to remember as the time gets closer... :)

    I've kept up with 3 or 4 in each class with
    a few others fading in and out. The high school
    crop was only 54, though; college had 1600
    entering freshmen, most of whom graduated.
    No idea how many potential college classmates I have... RIT was pretty
    big even back then.... High school, even though I was only there for my senior year, I've ended up paying more attention to, since I've been involved in planning and going to the reunions.... 350+ in my class... I know more of them now than I did when I was in school, thanks to the reunions....
    That's one purpose of reunions - affinities
    become easier to find with age when the
    adolescent concerns fall away.

    Indeed... And it's turned out that there were some pretty decent people
    that made up the class I joined for my senior year.... :)

    ttyl neb

    ... Gravy has 3 of the 4 food groups: salt, grease & crunchy brown bits

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