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    From MICHAEL LOO@1:123/140 to RUTH HAFFLY on Wednesday, February 13, 2019 16:22:52
    I thought flights of over a certain time length had to include something more than a snack, maybe not quite a full meal. Must be
    that > the rules have been twisted after I stopped flying on a semi That's certainly not the case at least since
    deregulation and probably never was. What the
    airlines are required to do is get the buyer
    from point A to point B safely. There's not
    even any provision for timeliness or comfort.
    Guess one airline started with food, others followed suit. Then, after

    More or less, but that took a long time.

    9/11, one started reducing food service, and again, others followed,
    claiming security costs and such like. Mxkey see, mxkey do.

    Not quite - 9/11 wasn't to blame for everything.
    Deregulation, on the other hand ... .

    The only thing that made the airlines offer
    food and drink was competitive pressure. The
    question is of course is whether government
    should meddle with the market. I wouldn't mind
    if it did here and there.
    At least standardise what should be offered--a meal on flights of over 3 hours, a certain level of snacks, i.e. not only amount, but quality--not
    just a tiny bag of pretzels and half a small can of drink but fruit,
    cheese and crackers, yogurt or such like.

    There's no incentive for standardizing anything,
    either. The carriers will go their ways cautiously,
    each looking carefully at the effects of anything
    anyone else does and then applying their own metrics.
    It's a long, slow, seemingly chaotic process. But
    then that's what the free market is all about.

    that was quite a bit of food. How long was the flight?
    Eleven hours more or less.
    A goodly amount of food for that time frame.
    And if I'd been upgraded (I ended up something like
    #6 in line for the last seat), there would have
    been even more food (and possibly, though not
    necessarily, better).
    Burping full?

    Close on projectile vomiting full.

    Use more, get rid of it faster? (G)
    Easier to regulate the garlickiness with
    a weaker product.
    Probably so--use either the whole jar or just a dusting, depending
    on > your fondness for garlic.
    Or somewhere in between.

    OK, I made bread today. Since I didn't have enough whole wheat
    flour, I > used a couple of cups of oat flour. It didn't rise as high
    as if I'd
    used all wheat, but, decently enough. Should taste just as good as
    100% > whole wheat bread.
    I had to bite my tongue there.
    Fresh meat?

    Someone's got to do it.

    It's a game of cost and benefit. Some patients
    don't consider obnoxiousness and arrogance a major
    cost - some might even consider it a benefit.
    Not as far as we're concerned. That's a fast turn off--no dealing with
    that doctor any more.

    We're pretty much in agreement on that, but
    not everyone is.

    About 20 degrees below normal.
    Pretty much (not quite) balancing out the southern
    hemisphere.
    Seems so. We're back into the low 60s today, may get into the 70s
    later > this week. But, some colder weather appears to be in the
    longer range > forecast.
    At Glen's, this month the temperatures have been
    mostly higher than average, but I spake too soon -
    the numbers are taking a dive for the rest of the
    month, to the degree that it's supposed to be
    actually nice there (70s).
    We went from the upper 70s a couple of days ago to the 40s today. It'll
    be more of the latter, which are actually, below normal temps, for a few days, then only into the mid 50s. That's normal for us, this time of
    year.

    I can't wait to see what the summer brings.

    Try prereducing it as well.
    OK, by about half?
    There are those who say half, but there will be
    substantial alcohol (maybe a percent) left. Others
    say reduce almost to a sludge, which has adverse
    flavor consequences. Do what's comfortable.
    Trial and error--probably try a lighter red at first, then the fuller
    bodied ones.

    Depends. I tend to use more robust wines for cooking.
    There are those who would say, but use a nice light
    Pinot Noir for bourguignon, but my answer to that is
    that when the recipe was formulated, Burgundy was a
    much fuller and harsher wine than it is now.

    I don't think Americans (not all, but a good many) will want to give
    up > their total use of English.
    Walk down a city street with your ears open
    and reconsider that statement!
    Depends on the city--and we're more small town than big city.

    Any big city in the US.

    He seems a bit of a strange bird anyway.
    As strange as Kellogg and Post? I don't know
    anything about him except that he had a food
    business.
    Same here.
    So were you referring to the younger Oetker,
    who has good reason to be strange (I looked it
    up - he was victim of a kidnapping similar to
    that that the Getty kid endured).
    OK, I didn't know there were 2 of them, nor the kidnapping aspect.
    The one who started the company seems to have
    been a more or less normal businessman.
    But marketing some interesting products.

    Not the original guy. It's becoming clearer that
    you're talking about the offspring.

    The cheese pastry thing seems to be pretty
    common in cold-climate European countries.
    Yes, I remember having a good number of them when we lived in
    Germany. > Not as sweet as American versions of similar, but just as good, if not > better. (G)
    And until recently treacherous for me.
    Fat bombs were our name for some of them. (G)

    Saus prik
    categories: Thai, sauce, condiment
    yield: 3 1/2 c

    1 1/2 c seedless golden raisins
    5 Tb white vinegar
    3 Tb red chili flakes
    8 cloves garlic
    1 ts salt
    2 fresh red chili peppers seeded and sliced
    1 c whole canned tomatoes with juice
    12 oz red plum jam
    9 oz pineapple juice
    4 Tb brown sugar

    Place the first seven ingredients in a food
    processor or blender and blend to an even
    consistency. This will take several minutes
    and requires stopping occasionally to scrape
    down the sides. Place the remaining
    ingredients in a saucepan over medium heat.
    Pour the blended ingredients into the
    saucepan. While stirring, let the mixture
    come to a boil. Reduce heat to simmer and
    cook for 20 min. Store in airtight,
    sterilized jars.

    Barbara Hom
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to MICHAEL LOO on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 15:22:24
    Hi Michael,

    from point A to point B safely. There's not
    even any provision for timeliness or comfort.
    Guess one airline started with food, others followed suit. Then,
    after

    More or less, but that took a long time.

    Took a while for the general public to start flying too.


    9/11, one started reducing food service, and again, others followed, claiming security costs and such like. Mxkey see, mxkey do.

    Not quite - 9/11 wasn't to blame for everything.
    Deregulation, on the other hand ... .

    True, but they seemed to come together about the same time frame.

    At least standardise what should be offered--a meal on flights of
    over 3 > hours, a certain level of snacks, i.e. not only amount, but quality--not > just a tiny bag of pretzels and half a small can of
    drink but fruit,
    cheese and crackers, yogurt or such like.

    There's no incentive for standardizing anything,
    either. The carriers will go their ways cautiously,
    each looking carefully at the effects of anything
    anyone else does and then applying their own metrics.
    It's a long, slow, seemingly chaotic process. But
    then that's what the free market is all about.

    At least they haven't banned us bringing our own food aboard---yet!


    that was quite a bit of food. How long was the flight?
    Eleven hours more or less.
    A goodly amount of food for that time frame.
    And if I'd been upgraded (I ended up something like
    #6 in line for the last seat), there would have
    been even more food (and possibly, though not
    necessarily, better).
    Burping full?

    Close on projectile vomiting full.

    I'd have probably declined some of the food service, or maybe not eaten
    all that was on the tray.

    Use more, get rid of it faster? (G)
    Easier to regulate the garlickiness with
    a weaker product.
    Probably so--use either the whole jar or just a dusting,
    depending > ML> on > your fondness for garlic.
    Or somewhere in between.

    That works.

    OK, I made bread today. Since I didn't have enough whole
    wheat > ML> flour, I > used a couple of cups of oat flour. It didn't
    rise as high > ML> as if I'd
    used all wheat, but, decently enough. Should taste just as
    good as > ML> 100% > whole wheat bread.
    I had to bite my tongue there.
    Fresh meat?

    Someone's got to do it.

    Not me. (G)

    It's a game of cost and benefit. Some patients
    don't consider obnoxiousness and arrogance a major
    cost - some might even consider it a benefit.
    Not as far as we're concerned. That's a fast turn off--no dealing
    with > that doctor any more.

    We're pretty much in agreement on that, but
    not everyone is.

    No, some like that kind of "relationship". The orthopedic doctor that
    did my knee, OTOH, talks to us quite a bit. He also took the precaution
    of not putting an ace wrap on my knee so I wouldn't have any contact
    with chemicals in it.

    We went from the upper 70s a couple of days ago to the 40s today.
    It'll > be more of the latter, which are actually, below normal temps,
    for a few > days, then only into the mid 50s. That's normal for us,
    this time of
    year.

    I can't wait to see what the summer brings.

    T'will be interesting. They're predicting a longer spring/summer allergy
    season here because it's been a milder winter. Some trees and grasses
    are already pollenating.

    OK, by about half?
    There are those who say half, but there will be
    substantial alcohol (maybe a percent) left. Others
    say reduce almost to a sludge, which has adverse
    flavor consequences. Do what's comfortable.
    Trial and error--probably try a lighter red at first, then the
    fuller > bodied ones.

    Depends. I tend to use more robust wines for cooking.
    There are those who would say, but use a nice light
    Pinot Noir for bourguignon, but my answer to that is
    that when the recipe was formulated, Burgundy was a
    much fuller and harsher wine than it is now.

    Something for me to experiment with, once I get back on my feet.

    So were you referring to the younger Oetker,
    who has good reason to be strange (I looked it
    up - he was victim of a kidnapping similar to
    that that the Getty kid endured).
    OK, I didn't know there were 2 of them, nor the kidnapping
    aspect. > ML> The one who started the company seems to have
    been a more or less normal businessman.
    But marketing some interesting products.

    Not the original guy. It's becoming clearer that
    you're talking about the offspring.

    OK.

    The cheese pastry thing seems to be pretty
    common in cold-climate European countries.


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    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to MICHAEL LOO on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 15:34:28
    hi Michael,

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    Yes, I remember having a good number of them when we lived in
    Germany. > Not as sweet as American versions of similar, but
    just as > ML> good, if not > better. (G)
    And until recently treacherous for me.
    Fat bombs were our name for some of them. (G)

    Saus prik
    categories: Thai, sauce, condiment
    yield: 3 1/2 c

    To be used as a cooking or table sauce or both?

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    Catch you later,
    Ruth
    rchaffly{at}earthlink{dot}net FIDO 1:396/45.28


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