I was unclear ... he might have cared about the
financial consequences (and who doesn't), but he
didn't care about the historical record.

Ok, I'll go along with that...

And it's not quite clear whose idea these shenanigans were.

True.

I like to blame the publishers, but you
already knew that.

Dvorak was a great composer and a nice guy, but the aw
shucksishness of his reputation is a public relations
fiction - when he said he was just a country bandleader,
his modesty was disingenuous in the extreme - he knew full
well he was the greatest Czech composer since Myslivicek
at least and in the same league as Brahms and Tchaikovsky.

And I'm sure he had an idea of the influence he was having on other composers....

Hard for anyone, let alone himself, to ignore, as he
taught at the conservatory in Prague and later New York.
His most eminent pupil, Josef Suk, married his daughter.

but now the Suzuki and other methods have
integrated into an uneasy amalgamation that
seems to do more good than harm.

There are good aspects of each of the different methods... I can see it possible to do more good than harm... :)

It's matured to the degree that no longer
does it turn out cute little robots, so that's
a good thing. My friend Laura, whom I've
described here, outgrew her Suzukiness and
became a pretty good musician.

Indeed a good thing... :)

I'm glad to have been a small part of her
well-rounding-out as a violinist.

What your system likes isn't necessarily the same
as what it can take. Perhaps HFCS is not a great
idea, but you're not going to die from it unless
there was something else seriously wrong.

Or it pushed something into becoming seriously wrong...

I can't think that way. There are all these
butterfly effect and for-want-of-a-nail
theories, but one could apply that to just
about anything.

I wasn't really going there.... more that I have seen empirically the
link between HFCS and diabetes, for instance... almost as certain as the
link between steroids and diabetes....

There are those who say, and I'm inclined to
believe them, that it's more the temptation and
the opportunity to overdo it that makes HFCS
dangerous. Same with white sugar. Pleasing high
concentrate carbs.

Sure, but it's generally easy to see if the
machine isn't taking care of the silly little
details - harder with bigger things.

True.... some things are harder to really take in the big picture....

Wherein I think lies the danger of letting
machines do any important work or that
requires any kind of judgment.

... Good food is very often, even most often, simple food.

Assuming the raw materials are good,
that's likely true.

Indeed, it's important to have good raw materials to start with... :)

Less good food is not altogether insuperable.

... Hearts are still red muscle meat, a sort of gateway offal.

So they are.

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Title: Leftover Turkey or Chicken Hash
Categories: Canadian, Chicken
Yield: 4 Servings

2 tb Butter; melted or chicken
-fat (up to 3T)
1 Onion; thinly sliced
1/2 c Celery; diced
2 c Turkey; cooked,diced
-(up to 3 cups)

MMMMM---------------------------SAUCE--------------------------------
2 tb Turkey or chicken fat
-(I would use butter)
3 tb Flour
2 1/2 c -Water
1/2 ts Savory
1/2 ts Salt
1/2 ts Pepper
1/4 c Cream

MMMMM------------------------HOT BISCUITS-----------------------------
2 c Flour; all purpose
1 tb Baking powder
1 ts Salt
3/4 c Cream
2 Eggs; beaten

La fricasee fatuguee

Heat in frying pan 2-3 Tbsp melted butter or turkey or chicken fat.
Add thinly sliced onion and diced celery. Heat 5-8 minutes over low
heat, stirring often. Add 2-3 cups cooked turkey. Cook 5 minutes
over low heat.

Sauce: Brown the chicken fat (I would use butter) and flour well
before adding water. Add savory, salt and pepper to taste. When sauce
is smooth and creamy, add 1/4 cup cream and any remaining turkey or
chicken gravy. Pour over turkey. Simmer 15 minutes, then serve with
hot biscuits and pickled beets.

Hot Biscuits: Sift together in bowl, flour, baking powder (no error in
amount) and salt. Mix together cream with 2 beaten eggs. Add to flour
and mix just enough to moisten; the dough is rather soft and should
remain lumpy. Stir as little as possible. Drop by spoonfuls on a
greased cookie sheet. Cook 16 minutes at 400F.

from Mme. Benoit, "In days that followed Christmas, every bit of the
turkey was used - the bones for soup, the skin, diced and crisped in
the oven til browned, then served, instead of butter, on toasted
homemade bread. So, when it came time to make hash from all the
little bits and pieces, the children felt that the poor turkey must
be tired (fatiguee), hence the name.

Source: _My Grandmother's Kitchen_ by Mme. Benoit

From: Michael Rollins

Collected by Jim Weller

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Quoting Michael Loo to Nancy Backus on 01-02-19 18:37 <=-

I was unclear ... he might have cared about the
financial consequences (and who doesn't), but he
didn't care about the historical record.

Ok, I'll go along with that...

And it's not quite clear whose idea these shenanigans were.

True.

I like to blame the publishers, but you
already knew that.

Yup. :)

Dvorak was a great composer and a nice guy, but the aw
shucksishness of his reputation is a public relations
fiction - when he said he was just a country bandleader,
his modesty was disingenuous in the extreme - he knew full
well he was the greatest Czech composer since Myslivicek
at least and in the same league as Brahms and Tchaikovsky.

And I'm sure he had an idea of the influence he was having on other composers....

Hard for anyone, let alone himself, to ignore, as he
taught at the conservatory in Prague and later New York.
His most eminent pupil, Josef Suk, married his daughter.

Yes, I know. And in New York, was a proponent of American composers
using American musical idioms in their works... :)

but now the Suzuki and other methods have
integrated into an uneasy amalgamation that
seems to do more good than harm.

There are good aspects of each of the different methods... I can see it possible to do more good than harm... :)

It's matured to the degree that no longer
does it turn out cute little robots, so that's
a good thing. My friend Laura, whom I've
described here, outgrew her Suzukiness and
became a pretty good musician.

Indeed a good thing... :)

I'm glad to have been a small part of her
well-rounding-out as a violinist.

It's a nice feeling to know that one has been a help.... :)

What your system likes isn't necessarily the same
as what it can take. Perhaps HFCS is not a great
idea, but you're not going to die from it unless
there was something else seriously wrong.

Or it pushed something into becoming seriously wrong...

I can't think that way. There are all these
butterfly effect and for-want-of-a-nail
theories, but one could apply that to just
about anything.

I wasn't really going there.... more that I have seen empirically
the link between HFCS and diabetes, for instance... almost as
certain as the link between steroids and diabetes....

There are those who say, and I'm inclined to
believe them, that it's more the temptation and
the opportunity to overdo it that makes HFCS
dangerous. Same with white sugar. Pleasing high
concentrate carbs.

It certainly makes things worse to overdo on them.... Once I'm a little
better stablilized, I may experiment with drinking my beloved Cherry
Coke again and see if there still seems to be the direct relationship
between the two.... the raised BGs and the HFCS ingestion...

Sure, but it's generally easy to see if the
machine isn't taking care of the silly little
details - harder with bigger things.

True.... some things are harder to really take in the big picture....

Wherein I think lies the danger of letting
machines do any important work or that
requires any kind of judgment.

Exactly.

... Good food is very often, even most often, simple food.

Assuming the raw materials are good,
that's likely true.

Indeed, it's important to have good raw materials to start with... :)

Less good food is not altogether insuperable.

True, but it takes a bit more effort... and/or skill... ;)

... Hearts are still red muscle meat, a sort of gateway offal.

So they are.

Too bad so many aren't even willing to try them... ;)

ttyl neb

... Nothing's impossible for those who don't have to do it.

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