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    From MICHAEL LOO@1:123/140 to RUTH HAFFLY on Monday, December 31, 2018 17:45:12
    It doesn't matter to Rosemary, as with many
    things about the kitchen. These things combine
    to make a space where it's now difficult for
    Not fun working in a space that doesn't "flow" well. Our daughter

    It's a challenge. Were I doing it for money,
    I'd walk off the gig, but insofar as I do it
    for friends, that's not an option.

    Rachel's house in LV had a big kitchen. Fridge was across from the stove
    but there was a good sized counter top between the stove and sink. It
    was a good spot for the dirty dishes that pile up in food prep (as she
    used it) but would have been better to find another place for them. She
    did a lot of her prep work on the end of the (large) island that was
    furthest from the stove and and fridge. They bought the house set up
    that way; I think I would have tried to make a better work set up had it
    been my kitchen. The kitchen in her new house is more compact, better
    working flow.

    Mmm, nice; the only thing I'd add though is
    that one shouldn't let used stuff pile up -
    either wash them in your copious spare time
    or get someone else to. That's the way to
    deal with well-meaning folks who offer What
    can I do to help? - get them to do the cleanup.
    You know and I know that they want you to say
    Oh, there's something just not right with this,
    please taste it and fix it, but, hah, fat chance.

    me to work to my satisfaction, but my
    preferences are secondary.
    And it sounds like she's not that much of a cook so it probably doesn't matter to her how it's set up.

    People who try to impress me with their
    culinary prowess generally don't, She tried
    once or twice, but we both knew that her
    husband (who was offered the chance to be
    the editor of the American edition of Larousse
    Gastronomique, the one that that Jennifer Harvey
    Lang ended up with) cooked better than she and
    possibly better than I, and she was more of an
    Eat than a Cook, and not that much of that at
    that. Women who try to win me through my
    stomach invariably fail. There was the one,
    who eventually became a moderately esteemed
    conductor, who proudly served me a gray steak
    that might as well have been boiled. Aagh. Then
    there was the blintz lady. And the one who
    served me baked squash for dinner, which might
    have worked, until I stepped in her dog's poop in
    the dining room. Which had been there a week. Oh,
    the joys of being a single nonabusive nongay male.

    Because she doesn't much care about food the
    way her husband did. I was really friends with
    him, but he died, and I sort of inherited
    Rosemary. Not that was a bad thing, of course.
    No, but when that fridge dies, you might be able to have some input into
    its replacement.

    Possible, though I suspect that unfortunate
    appliance may outlive us both.

    Compost in general is a good thing for
    aspiring gardeners (and harvesters).
    Yes, and building up the yard. There's very little topsoil and it's of a
    very poor quality (We keep finding things in it that shouldn't be, like
    glass fragments.) so Steve has been working on building it up. What will
    also help is that we had some trees taken out, others trimmed so the
    yard will get a lot more sunlight.

    What does the bedrock look like?

    We had three caramel custards last week, the
    richest (at Commander's) being best.
    Sounds yummy. I'd have maybe tried to restrict myself to one or two,
    trying to make sure that if it were only one, I'd get it at Commander's.

    Good choice. There are a few dishes that I'd
    always been happy to spend the pills on, caramel
    custard/creme brulee/flan being among them.

    The original plan was to put the butcher block
    island back, but Rosemary likes the open feel of
    the kitchen without it, and when she cooks, the
    I can understand. When Steve was putting down the new flooring, we had a
    lot of stuff moved to the one side. It did open up more space but the
    butler is needed. Bought it for the house on Pearce Ave. as the kitchen
    had very little storage. This one has more, but we still need the butler (basically, it's an island on wheels). We park it under the hanging pot
    rack so we don't bump our heads (as much) on the pots.

    The real appeal of this island was that at
    close to 100 lb and no wheels, it was a
    real table workplace for tasks that required
    real table stability.

    dishes are of the simplest, so not a lot of
    space is needed.
    No, but even then, an adequate prep space is important.

    Much preferablt that way.

    To be honest, I just ask someone else to do it,
    but when it needs to be done in a hurry, I can.
    If I can do something, I usually will. Steve handles a lot that I
    can't. > Anything else, we hire out, if needs be or fall back and
    punt.
    I find that if you punt something, it tends to
    come back and haunt you.
    Not always in our case. Plan B has often worked out much better than
    Plan A would have.

    considered beautiful; I find it affected and vain.
    And matching colors to skin smacks of the same.
    Not so much matching as finding what colors work well with them.
    There's that "well" thing again.
    What word would you use?

    I'd be leery of making a value judgment in
    such a situation. I almost wrote "incapable,"
    but I would be idealizing me.

    co-ordinate clothes so you don't end up with orphans (shirt or
    slacks,
    Most people have said that I look okay in
    green. They lie.
    Depends--if it's a pastel green, it doesn't look as good on me as a
    darker shade. Also, depends on if it's a blue-ish or yellow-ish green;
    one will look better on you than the other.

    See, even here there will be no unanimity,
    Your closest and dearest might share your
    sartorial tastes, but someone from outer
    Timbuctoo or Norway could easily not.

    I almost always pack navy, brown, gray, and
    black.
    Since I rarely wear black or gray, I'll pack blue and either green or
    brown. For instance, for this trip, I packed a dark persimmon colored
    shirt that looks good with either blue jeans or the brown slacks and
    jeans that I also brought.

    So I'd say, in my aesthetic, brown slacks
    just plain don't look good. For me, brown
    shouldn't be a color. I have a lovely pair
    of brown pants that I bought because the
    fabric felt good against my skin, and it was
    on sale. Never wore them, though once in a
    while I still try them on ... and then say, nah.

    Do you find you pack first and think later
    and take along a lot of stuff you don't need?
    We tend to be "night before we leave" packers but I pretty well have a
    good idea of what I'm going to take before pulling it out of the closet.
    i do find that I'm packing some things I don't need but we found out the

    Ideally, that would be my modus operandi, but
    sometimes things prevent that (which of course
    causes anxiety). For this last trip I packed up
    a nice assortment of warm-weather duds and then
    discovered that the weather in Hong Kong was going
    to be 10 degrees cooler than previously forecast,
    so that idea was out the window.

    expensive way that it helps to have some things. For the picnic in
    September, I'd packed a pair of somewhat dressier slacks with a top that
    was a bit more dressed up. Steve hadn't really packed anything dressy so
    when we got word that my aunt had passed away, we needed something appropriate. We ended up buying Steve a pair of dress slacks, a sport
    coat, dress shirt and tie. Bought me a light weigh jacket to go with
    what I had---------------then we ended up missing the funeral because of
    the accident.

    Life, meet irony.

    ---------- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v7.05

    Title: Small Coffee Cakes (Kleina Kaffee Kuchen)
    Categories: Penndutch, Breads
    Servings: 1

    1/2 c Butter and other shortening, 2 Egg
    2 Egg yolk 3 tb Sugar
    1/2 c Cream 2 c Flour, sifted
    1 c Yeast *dissolved in:
    1 c Milk, lukewarm 1/2 ts Salt

    Cream the butter, sugar and salt and add the eggs and egg yolks one at a
    time, beating well after each addition. To the dissolved yeast, add 3
    Tbsp
    of the flour and mix well. Combine with the first mixture. Add the
    remaining flour and cream alternately. Grease and flour muffin tins and
    fill 2/3 full of the dough. Set pans in a warm place until dough has
    risen
    to the tops of the pans. Bake at 400-F about 25 minutes. Source:
    Pennsylvania Dutch Cook Book - Fine Old Recipes, Culinary Arts Press,
    1936.

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to MICHAEL LOO on Tuesday, January 01, 2019 15:13:50
    Hi Michael,

    It doesn't matter to Rosemary, as with many
    things about the kitchen. These things combine
    to make a space where it's now difficult for
    Not fun working in a space that doesn't "flow" well. Our daughter

    It's a challenge. Were I doing it for money,
    I'd walk off the gig, but insofar as I do it
    for friends, that's not an option.

    I know, and I was doing it for a daughter. Our kitchen has a better flow
    but it's much smaller.

    place for them. She > did a lot of her prep work on the end of the
    (large) island that was
    furthest from the stove and and fridge. They bought the house set up that way; I think I would have tried to make a better work set up
    had it > been my kitchen. The kitchen in her new house is more
    compact, better > working flow.

    Mmm, nice; the only thing I'd add though is
    that one shouldn't let used stuff pile up -
    either wash them in your copious spare time
    or get someone else to. That's the way to

    I try to clean as I go or at least stack stuff in the sink until I can
    get it sorted into dishwasher (things go right in it then) and hand
    wash.

    deal with well-meaning folks who offer What
    can I do to help? - get them to do the cleanup.
    You know and I know that they want you to say
    Oh, there's something just not right with this,
    please taste it and fix it, but, hah, fat chance.

    OTOH, there are those that will gladly do the clean up, saying that they
    are not good at tasting. Those are few and far between, but do exist.

    me to work to my satisfaction, but my
    preferences are secondary.
    And it sounds like she's not that much of a cook so it probably
    doesn't > matter to her how it's set up.

    People who try to impress me with their
    culinary prowess generally don't, She tried
    once or twice, but we both knew that her
    husband (who was offered the chance to be
    the editor of the American edition of Larousse
    Gastronomique, the one that that Jennifer Harvey
    Lang ended up with) cooked better than she and
    possibly better than I, and she was more of an
    Eat than a Cook, and not that much of that at
    that. Women who try to win me through my

    She never picked up on things from her husband? Did she not try or did
    he just prefer to do the cooking?

    stomach invariably fail. There was the one,
    who eventually became a moderately esteemed
    conductor, who proudly served me a gray steak
    that might as well have been boiled. Aagh. Then

    GAG! No way to make a good impression. But, my parents would have served
    the same steak as very well done, not quite to the point of charcoal.

    there was the blintz lady. And the one who
    served me baked squash for dinner, which might
    have worked, until I stepped in her dog's poop in
    the dining room. Which had been there a week. Oh,
    the joys of being a single nonabusive nongay male.

    You could write a book about it?

    Because she doesn't much care about food the
    way her husband did. I was really friends with
    him, but he died, and I sort of inherited
    Rosemary. Not that was a bad thing, of course.
    No, but when that fridge dies, you might be able to have some input
    into > its replacement.

    Possible, though I suspect that unfortunate
    appliance may outlive us both.

    Possibly so, but don't dwell on that thought.


    Compost in general is a good thing for
    aspiring gardeners (and harvesters).
    Yes, and building up the yard. There's very little topsoil and it's
    of a > very poor quality (We keep finding things in it that shouldn't
    be, like > glass fragments.) so Steve has been working on building it
    up. What will > also help is that we had some trees taken out, others trimmed so the
    yard will get a lot more sunlight.

    What does the bedrock look like?

    Rocky.


    We had three caramel custards last week, the
    richest (at Commander's) being best.
    Sounds yummy. I'd have maybe tried to restrict myself to one or two, trying to make sure that if it were only one, I'd get it at
    Commander's.

    Good choice. There are a few dishes that I'd
    always been happy to spend the pills on, caramel
    custard/creme brulee/flan being among them.

    A good one is well worth the pills, a bad one, not so.


    The original plan was to put the butcher block
    island back, but Rosemary likes the open feel of
    the kitchen without it, and when she cooks, the
    I can understand. When Steve was putting down the new flooring, we
    had a > lot of stuff moved to the one side. It did open up more space
    but the > butler is needed. Bought it for the house on Pearce Ave. as
    the kitchen > had very little storage. This one has more, but we still need the butler > (basically, it's an island on wheels). We park it
    under the hanging pot > rack so we don't bump our heads (as much) on
    the pots.

    The real appeal of this island was that at
    close to 100 lb and no wheels, it was a
    real table workplace for tasks that required
    real table stability.

    Sounds good to me. Our butler has a leaf that runs the length of it by
    about 18" wide, folds down when not in use, that is handy when we need a
    bit more counter space for a cooling rack or whatever.


    dishes are of the simplest, so not a lot of
    space is needed.
    No, but even then, an adequate prep space is important.

    Much preferablt that way.

    Very much so!


    considered beautiful; I find it affected and vain.
    And matching colors to skin smacks of the same.
    Not so much matching as finding what colors work well with
    them. > ML> There's that "well" thing again.
    What word would you use?

    I'd be leery of making a value judgment in
    such a situation. I almost wrote "incapable,"
    but I would be idealizing me.

    That's where you get a second opinion from someone who you trust to be
    honest in such.


    co-ordinate clothes so you don't end up with orphans (shirt
    or > ML> slacks,
    Most people have said that I look okay in
    green. They lie.
    Depends--if it's a pastel green, it doesn't look as good on me as a darker shade. Also, depends on if it's a blue-ish or yellow-ish
    green;


    CONTINUED IN NEXT MESSAGE <<

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    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to MICHAEL LOO on Tuesday, January 01, 2019 15:26:58
    Hi Michael,

    CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS MESSAGE <<

    one will look better on you than the other.

    See, even here there will be no unanimity,
    Your closest and dearest might share your
    sartorial tastes, but someone from outer
    Timbuctoo or Norway could easily not.

    So the latter person might be more honest as to what looks good or not
    on you.

    I almost always pack navy, brown, gray, and
    black.
    Since I rarely wear black or gray, I'll pack blue and either green
    or > brown. For instance, for this trip, I packed a dark persimmon
    colored > shirt that looks good with either blue jeans or the brown
    slacks and
    jeans that I also brought.

    So I'd say, in my aesthetic, brown slacks
    just plain don't look good. For me, brown
    shouldn't be a color. I have a lovely pair
    of brown pants that I bought because the
    fabric felt good against my skin, and it was
    on sale. Never wore them, though once in a
    while I still try them on ... and then say, nah.

    Sounds like brown may not be a color that works well for you then. What
    about colors like golden yellow or orange? If they don't look good (in
    your opinion or others) on you, then you're not an autumn.


    Do you find you pack first and think later
    and take along a lot of stuff you don't need?
    We tend to be "night before we leave" packers but I pretty well have
    a > good idea of what I'm going to take before pulling it out of the closet. > i do find that I'm packing some things I don't need but we
    found out the

    Ideally, that would be my modus operandi, but
    sometimes things prevent that (which of course
    causes anxiety). For this last trip I packed up
    a nice assortment of warm-weather duds and then
    discovered that the weather in Hong Kong was going
    to be 10 degrees cooler than previously forecast,
    so that idea was out the window.

    Pack clothes you can layer easily.


    expensive way that it helps to have some things. For the picnic in September, I'd packed a pair of somewhat dressier slacks with a top
    that > was a bit more dressed up. Steve hadn't really packed anything dressy so > when we got word that my aunt had passed away, we needed something
    appropriate. We ended up buying Steve a pair of dress slacks, a
    sport > coat, dress shirt and tie. Bought me a light weigh jacket to
    go with
    what I had---------------then we ended up missing the funeral
    because of > the accident.

    Life, meet irony.

    I know, in this case, we were on our way to the funeral but were in the accident. Got to the post internment meal as everybody else was
    finishing--some stayed around to keep us company while we ordered
    something for take out. Also got a ride back to my aunt's house where
    our truck and camper were parked. But, now we're going to always travel
    with something suitable for similar occaisions.


    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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