• 641 extended travel was crusty

    From MICHAEL LOO@1:123/140 to RUTH HAFFLY on Sunday, December 09, 2018 11:46:54
    The plastic bag doesn't weigh as much as paper, a big plus if you're schlepping it on your back in/out of a site. Mice might be able to
    get
    In my experience mice are undaunted by even
    heavy gauge plastic if the goodies within
    are tempting enough.
    Sorry, meant to say cans, not paper. I'm not firing on all cylinders

    One of those things that happens to all of
    us. Cans of course are the time-honored way,
    and we've all seen cupboards lined with rows
    and rows of canned goods, enough to subsist
    on for a year. It may be sensible, though a
    year is a lot.

    right now. We've not had many dealings with mice, thankfully, over the
    years and places we've lived, so I'm just going on thoughts, not
    experience.

    Mice are crafty. You almost expect to find
    little gimp lanyards in their nests.

    into it, if they like the taste of plastic. Don't know what a
    determined > bear would do with it.
    Bear would probably toss the whole package
    down the gullet in one go.
    Quite possibly so.

    But bears don't have to be and are not
    known for being patient.

    Pluto will return, mark my words.
    My mom was in early grade school when it was named a planet so she tells
    on herself--teacher asked the class what Pluto was. Mom piped up "Mickey Mouse's dog".

    Close enough. I'm not sure that the ruler
    of the underworld would have been the
    expected answer, or were people better up
    on classical mythology then?

    I'm thinking the fading in and out of such terms
    as oriental and black is more analogous. Negro,
    which was the polite term when we were growing up,
    seems permanently out, though.
    Except for the organisation United Negro College Fund. But yes, in the
    last 50 or so years, that term has been very much oblitereated from the American vocabulary.

    The rule appears to be if you are one you
    can call yourself one, otherwise, no, you
    use a more polite term.

    Well, Utah is the Beehive state.................(G)
    I didn't get the feeling that so many of the
    bees were fussing, just one big one.
    The drones/worker bees are too busy doing their own thing to be too
    concerned with the correct terminology.

    That may have something to do with it, but
    drones generally aren't given much of a voice
    to begin with.

    It's not a bad thing, and one of the motivators
    in the traditional use of herbs and spices was
    to mask peculiar flavors, not necessarily stale
    or oxidized ones.
    Yes, but it would be interesting to see if the meat is offered in other flavorings. I might, for instance, want an Italian flavored meat pouch,
    to use instead of southwestern.

    If the company expands and goes beyond its current
    niche market, maybe it'll happen.

    And, it only works up to a point. If others are indulging in
    something I > don't care for and a reasonable alternative is readily available, I'll > go for the alternative.
    out of (ergk) politeness, I ate cottage cheese today.
    I have some in the fridge right now. Steve doesn't care for it but it's
    an alternative higher protein/lower carb easy grab for me.

    Other cheeses (and other things altogether) have
    more flavor and better flavor profiles. Myself, I
    have a certain horror of the stuff, though ricotta
    or even farmer cheese don't evoke that disgust.

    not have ML> dairy and meat at the > ML> same meal. > I think some of
    the younger ML> folks on the trip were ML> > ML> somewhat bothered by
    it tho. ML> > ML> None of these things would bother me - I can go
    a month without pork stroganoff, but what do you ML> > ML>
    think the kibbutzim did with the flayed carcasses ML> > ML> after they
    made the pigskin things. ML> > Fried pork rinds? (G)
    That would be literally eating the profits.
    Yes, but they are quite tasty.

    The age-old dilemma - do you keep the good
    stuff or sell it. Successful enterprises do
    the latter.

    Zucchini Stroganoff
    Grilled veggies with a garlic, salt & pepper garnish. No where near stroganoff in my book.
    Nowhere near food in mine!
    Depends on how it's prepared--as a in a quick bread/muffin, its presence isn't that obvious. As a pasta sub, it's all over the place, but a good
    sauce will make it edible. One bbq place in town hat we liked would
    slice it, drege it in a seasoned flour (spicy) and fry it--good stuff.

    I fried some to go with skordalia at one
    of Burt's gatherings, but skordalia makes
    pretty much anything edible.

    Cookie's Chili Powder
    1 Tb cayenne pepper
    5 Tb cumin powder
    1 Tb oregano
    2 Tb basil
    1 Tb salt
    1 Tb garlic powder
    I'd probably mix up a smaller amount to try, then do a larger quantity.

    My only question would be the basil: I'd
    sub thyme for most or all of that.

    SICILIAN-STYLE LAMB CHOPS
    categories: main, Italian, Louisiana, celebrity
    servings: 4

    8 (1-in thick) lamb rib chops
    2 Tb olive oil
    sea salt to taste
    1/2 c diced onions
    6 garlic cloves, slivered
    2 c fresh plum tomatoes ,peeled and seeded
    - or canned imported Italian tomatoes
    1 lg red bell pepper, diced 1ÿ-inch
    1/4 c green olives, pitted and coarsely cut
    3 Tb chopped Italian parsley
    1 ts chopped oregano leaves
    1 ts torn basil
    cracked black pepper to taste
    crushed red pepper flakes to taste

    Season chops on both sides with sea salt. In a
    cast iron skillet, heat oil over high heat.
    Place lamb chops into skillet being careful
    not to overcrowd the pan. Allow to brown
    nicely then turn and brown on other side.
    Transfer browned chops to a plate and keep warm.

    In the same skillet, saute onions and garlic
    5 min or until golden brown. Add tomatoes with
    juice and cook 5 min. Stir in bell peppers,
    olives, parsley, oregano and basil. Season with
    sea salt and black pepper. Reduce heat to
    medium and cook, stirring occasionally, 8 min
    or until bell peppers are tender but firm.
    Sprinkle chops with crushed red pepper flakes
    and return to skillet with sauce. Continue to
    cook about 5 min, turning chops occasionally.
    Place sauce and chops on a warm serving platter.
    Serve 2 chops per person over the pasta of your
    choice. Penne pasta works well with this dish.

    John Folse
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to MICHAEL LOO on Monday, December 10, 2018 14:59:29
    Hi Michael,

    The plastic bag doesn't weigh as much as paper, a big plus if
    you're > ML> > schlepping it on your back in/out of a site. Mice
    might be able to > ML> get
    In my experience mice are undaunted by even
    heavy gauge plastic if the goodies within
    are tempting enough.
    Sorry, meant to say cans, not paper. I'm not firing on all cylinders

    One of those things that happens to all of

    Thanks to rest, antibiotics, cough stuff, lots of liquids, etc I'm
    getting back to a semblence of normal.

    us. Cans of course are the time-honored way,
    and we've all seen cupboards lined with rows
    and rows of canned goods, enough to subsist
    on for a year. It may be sensible, though a
    year is a lot.

    My parents stored a lot of both home canned and commercial canned goods
    in the cellar. Until their last few years, they put up enough food each
    year to feed the family--but we were all gone--so they had a lot to
    carry over each year. Don't know what my brother did with it when he
    moved into the house; had he been smart, most all of it was probably
    thrown out for safety's sake.

    right now. We've not had many dealings with mice, thankfully, over
    the > years and places we've lived, so I'm just going on thoughts, not
    experience.

    Mice are crafty. You almost expect to find
    little gimp lanyards in their nests.

    Possibly so. We only had trouble with mice in HI. Our neighbors let
    their grass grow too long and when they packed out, the mice got into
    the quad-plex thru open doors. A few well placed traps took care of
    them, fast.

    into it, if they like the taste of plastic. Don't know what a
    determined > bear would do with it.
    Bear would probably toss the whole package
    down the gullet in one go.
    Quite possibly so.

    But bears don't have to be and are not
    known for being patient.

    No, and you don't expect them to be so in their own environment.


    Pluto will return, mark my words.
    My mom was in early grade school when it was named a planet so she
    tells > on herself--teacher asked the class what Pluto was. Mom piped
    up "Mickey > Mouse's dog".

    Close enough. I'm not sure that the ruler
    of the underworld would have been the
    expected answer, or were people better up
    on classical mythology then?

    IIRC, Mom said she was in first grade; not many first graders would be
    up on classical mythology.

    I'm thinking the fading in and out of such terms
    as oriental and black is more analogous. Negro,
    which was the polite term when we were growing up,
    seems permanently out, though.
    Except for the organisation United Negro College Fund. But yes, in
    the > last 50 or so years, that term has been very much oblitereated
    from the > American vocabulary.

    The rule appears to be if you are one you
    can call yourself one, otherwise, no, you
    use a more polite term.

    And doubly watch what you say when you're south of the Mason-Dixon line.

    Well, Utah is the Beehive state.................(G)
    I didn't get the feeling that so many of the
    bees were fussing, just one big one.
    The drones/worker bees are too busy doing their own thing to be too concerned with the correct terminology.

    That may have something to do with it, but
    drones generally aren't given much of a voice
    to begin with.

    No, they are kept busy honey making and not concerned with what's going
    on around them.

    It's not a bad thing, and one of the motivators
    in the traditional use of herbs and spices was
    to mask peculiar flavors, not necessarily stale
    or oxidized ones.
    Yes, but it would be interesting to see if the meat is offered in
    other > flavorings. I might, for instance, want an Italian flavored
    meat pouch, > to use instead of southwestern.

    If the company expands and goes beyond its current
    niche market, maybe it'll happen.

    I'll have to check their web site and see what they offer.

    out of (ergk) politeness, I ate cottage cheese today.
    I have some in the fridge right now. Steve doesn't care for it but
    it's > an alternative higher protein/lower carb easy grab for me.

    Other cheeses (and other things altogether) have
    more flavor and better flavor profiles. Myself, I
    have a certain horror of the stuff, though ricotta
    or even farmer cheese don't evoke that disgust.

    A bad childhood experience?

    do you ML> > ML> > think the kibbutzim did with the flayed carcasses
    after they > made the pigskin things. ML> > Fried pork
    rinds? (G)
    That would be literally eating the profits.
    Yes, but they are quite tasty.

    The age-old dilemma - do you keep the good
    stuff or sell it. Successful enterprises do
    the latter.

    Yes, especially if they know there's money to be made off of what some
    consider waste by products.

    Zucchini Stroganoff
    Grilled veggies with a garlic, salt & pepper garnish. No
    where near > ML> > stroganoff in my book.
    Nowhere near food in mine!
    Depends on how it's prepared--as a in a quick bread/muffin, its
    presence > isn't that obvious. As a pasta sub, it's all over the
    place, but a good > sauce will make it edible. One bbq place in town
    hat we liked would
    slice it, drege it in a seasoned flour (spicy) and fry it--good
    stuff.

    I fried some to go with skordalia at one
    of Burt's gatherings, but skordalia makes
    pretty much anything edible.

    That may have been the Fly Fest which we missed--still in Hi at that
    point.

    Cookie's Chili Powder
    1 Tb cayenne pepper
    5 Tb cumin powder
    1 Tb oregano
    2 Tb basil
    1 Tb salt
    1 Tb garlic powder
    I'd probably mix up a smaller amount to try, then do a larger
    quantity.

    My only question would be the basil: I'd
    sub thyme for most or all of that.

    Use Mexican oregano, cut the salt a bit also.

    SICILIAN-STYLE LAMB CHOPS
    categories: main, Italian, Louisiana, celebrity
    servings: 4

    8 (1-in thick) lamb rib chops
    2 Tb olive oil
    sea salt to taste
    1/2 c diced onions
    6 garlic cloves, slivered
    2 c fresh plum tomatoes ,peeled and seeded
    - or canned imported Italian tomatoes
    1 lg red bell pepper, diced 1ÿ-inch
    1/4 c green olives, pitted and coarsely cut
    3 Tb chopped Italian parsley
    1 ts chopped oregano leaves
    1 ts torn basil
    cracked black pepper to taste
    crushed red pepper flakes to taste

    That looks good, but we don't have any lamb in the freezer right now.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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