• 598 rote was trading

    From MICHAEL LOO@1:123/140 to NANCY BACKUS on Monday, November 26, 2018 09:15:00
    She must have learned to read fairly well to become concertmaster
    Yeah, and then she became concertmaster of the San
    Jose Symphony but topped out there. The fact that
    she got spewed out into the world of professional
    orchestras when they were bankrupting left and
    right didn't much help.
    Not the best climate to be in, to be sure....

    It hasn't gotten any better, either.

    of an orchestra.... or did she still learn all the music by rote....?
    There's reading and there's reading. She was a
    below average reader. I was an above average
    reader. Given varying amounts of practice our
    level of competency with a particular piece
    would intersect, and with further study she
    would invariably outstrip me.
    And, true, reading is only part of it... :)

    Reading was my forte, if you will, and now of
    course it's not a picnic any more.

    Undoubtedly. Disabled might mean an inability to
    go beyond rote learning at all, but there are
    plenty of delayed students who can get beyond
    that stage at least to some degree.
    I had one Down's student that wanted to learn to read books, but was
    finding it difficult... I took her on as a piano student, and we went
    through the Primer book of John Thompson's Easiest a couple of times...
    she did grasp some of it, but when we went back to the beginning, it was obvious that not all of it retained.... the second time through was
    easier, though... And having learned that symbols meant sounds, she was
    also able to learn to read words some, too... :)

    Interesting case. How far did she progress in both
    directions? I hope enough to get some personal
    satisfaction out of it.

    in a world of unlimited resources, they could be
    exactly replicated, unless it was discovered that
    there were other rules at work.
    Kinda what I was getting at.... the lack of unlimited resources, and
    the possibility of other rules at work....
    If it's important enough, the resources can be
    retargeted to that purpose. Other rules are
    likely to get into the metaphysical.
    If considered important enough, anyway.... ;)

    Dollar value being the commonest metric of
    importance these days, which is a shame.

    A lot of otherwise sane-looking men go all
    goopy over small cute animals.
    The small cute animals really play it for all they are worth, too... ;)
    They know on which side their kibble is buttered.
    Just a bit of a mixed metaphor there... ;)

    You think? Though Annie's cats regularly got
    butter treats.

    Who knows. Some of my friends have grandkids by
    only one of theirs, the others sitting back
    and not taking that responsibility. You don't
    have a backup, though.
    Nope... and so far any grandkids are just talk.... I may live to see
    it, maybe not... ;0
    But you're thinking logically.
    Better than getting hung up emotionally on it... (G)

    There's no point in getting hung up on things
    you can change, much less on things you can't.

    In which case there would be even more booboos for
    the others to fix.
    But you are thinking logically.... ;)
    [g]
    Yeah... we both do... (G)

    What fun is that?

    Baked picnic ham
    categories: holiday, pork, roast, main
    servings: 15 to 20

    9 lb pork picnic shoulder, smoked but not cooked
    1 cn sliced pineapple
    1/2 c light brown sugar
    2 Tb yellow mustard
    Whole cloves, optional

    Line a roasting pan with aluminum foil.
    Place the whole pork shoulder in the pan,
    skin side up. If there is netting around it,
    keep it on. Add 1 c water to the pan. Cover
    the meat with aluminum foil. Place in 350F
    oven on middle rack. Meat should cook about
    18 min/lb.

    Combine the brown sugar and mustard and a
    few tablespoons of juice from the pineapple.
    Stir until it forms a thick paste.

    About 45 min before the pork is done, remove
    the pan from the oven and remove foil. Reduce
    the heat to 250F.

    Carefully cut away the netting from around
    the meat. Carefully remove the layer of skin
    and fat from the meat. Set aside.

    Use a sharp knife and score the meat 1/2" deep
    every 1". Score again at 90 degrees. If using
    cloves, place one clove in each of the squares
    made from the cuts. Drizzle half of the glaze
    over the meat. Use toothpicks to attach the
    pineapple slices to the meat and drizzle
    remaining glaze over.

    Return the meat uncovered to the oven, and bake
    30 to 45 min or until a meat thermometer placed
    in the thickest part of the meat reaches 170F.

    For a festive glaze: remove the toothpicks,
    pineapple and cloves. Spread a thin layer of
    mustard all over the meat. Sprinkle an even
    coating of brown sugar over. Set oven to BROIL.
    Return the shoulder, uncovered, to the oven and
    broil for 10 min or until it's a nice brown.

    Remove from oven and let stand for 5 min before
    carving. Serve warm.

    Gary M. at keyingredient.com
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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to MICHAEL LOO on Wednesday, November 28, 2018 22:33:00
    Quoting Michael Loo to Nancy Backus on 11-26-18 08:14 <=-

    She must have learned to read fairly well to become concertmaster
    Yeah, and then she became concertmaster of the San
    Jose Symphony but topped out there. The fact that
    she got spewed out into the world of professional
    orchestras when they were bankrupting left and
    right didn't much help.
    Not the best climate to be in, to be sure....
    It hasn't gotten any better, either.

    There's a few orchestras that are on a better footing than that now....

    of an orchestra.... or did she still learn all the music by rote....?
    There's reading and there's reading. She was a
    below average reader. I was an above average
    reader. Given varying amounts of practice our
    level of competency with a particular piece
    would intersect, and with further study she
    would invariably outstrip me.
    And, true, reading is only part of it... :)
    Reading was my forte, if you will, and now of
    course it's not a picnic any more.

    Indeed. Now you have to rely more on memory....

    Undoubtedly. Disabled might mean an inability to
    go beyond rote learning at all, but there are
    plenty of delayed students who can get beyond
    that stage at least to some degree.
    I had one Down's student that wanted to learn to read books, but was
    finding it difficult... I took her on as a piano student, and we went through the Primer book of John Thompson's Easiest a couple of times...
    she did grasp some of it, but when we went back to the beginning, it was obvious that not all of it retained.... the second time through was
    easier, though... And having learned that symbols meant sounds, she was also able to learn to read words some, too... :)
    Interesting case. How far did she progress in both
    directions? I hope enough to get some personal
    satisfaction out of it.

    We never went past that first book, but I believe that just learning
    that she could make music herself was a personal satisfaction... I don't
    know how far she progressed with reading words, but just being able to
    do it some was an achievement.... :)

    in a world of unlimited resources, they could be
    exactly replicated, unless it was discovered that
    there were other rules at work.
    Kinda what I was getting at.... the lack of unlimited resources, and
    the possibility of other rules at work....
    If it's important enough, the resources can be
    retargeted to that purpose. Other rules are
    likely to get into the metaphysical.
    If considered important enough, anyway.... ;)
    Dollar value being the commonest metric of
    importance these days, which is a shame.

    Indeed.

    A lot of otherwise sane-looking men go all
    goopy over small cute animals.
    The small cute animals really play it for all they are worth, too... ;)
    They know on which side their kibble is buttered.
    Just a bit of a mixed metaphor there... ;)
    You think? Though Annie's cats regularly got
    butter treats.

    We didn't/don't do butter so much... but our cats do get the final
    meat/cooking drippings including fats, which they do seem to enjoy...

    I was over at Edith's for a meal, she'd fixed chili and cornbread and a salad... One of her cats was making nice to me... so on a whim, I
    offered a crumb of cornbread which was gobbled up, along with a few
    subsequent ones... so Edith tried offering it... but she put some butter
    on it, thinking to make it even more desirable... the cat turned up her
    nose at that one... You just never know with cats... ;)

    Who knows. Some of my friends have grandkids by
    only one of theirs, the others sitting back
    and not taking that responsibility. You don't
    have a backup, though.
    Nope... and so far any grandkids are just talk.... I may live to see
    it, maybe not... ;0
    But you're thinking logically.
    Better than getting hung up emotionally on it... (G)
    There's no point in getting hung up on things
    you can change, much less on things you can't.

    Exactly. ;)

    In which case there would be even more booboos for
    the others to fix.
    But you are thinking logically.... ;)
    [g]
    Yeah... we both do... (G)
    What fun is that?

    You tell me... ;) Must be why we deviate from that logic stuff from
    time to time... ;)

    ttyl neb

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