• Margarine

    From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to All on Monday, November 19, 2018 19:55:00
    Howdy!,

    I cut a slice of Margarine off the other day and noticed it wasn't
    all colored Yellow.

    Only the outside of the bar was Yellow, inside it was white.

    That reminded me of seeing my Dad in the late 1940's or early 1950's
    pulling a plastic bag out of the Margarine package and squeezing the bag
    until the Orange spot in it, colored all of the contents to make it look
    more like the color of Butter.

    There is another Brand of Margarine in the freezer and I'm wondering if
    all of the Margarine Brands color only the outside of the Sticks in the Margarine package?

    I'll find out when I start using that other Brand if it also is colored
    on the outside of the Margarine Bars.


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  • From Dave Drum@1:229/452 to Ed Vance on Tuesday, November 20, 2018 14:24:08
    Ed Vance wrote to All <=-

    I cut a slice of Margarine off the other day and noticed it wasn't
    all colored Yellow.

    Only the outside of the bar was Yellow, inside it was white.

    Some margarines (especially the (ahem) *budget* brands) will get a deeper yellow on the outside for the quarter-pound bar and be a very pale, almost white in the centre. Flavour remains the same as the colour is provided
    by carotene or annato dyes.

    That reminded me of seeing my Dad in the late 1940's or early 1950's pulling a plastic bag out of the Margarine package and squeezing the
    bag until the Orange spot in it, colored all of the contents to make it look more like the color of Butter.

    That was a work-around as the dairy industry, running scared, managed to
    lobby enough politicians to deny the selling of coloured margarine. But
    nothing prohibited the selling of a dye packet simultaneously. That was
    better than having it dyed pink - as was required in some jurisdictions.

    In New Zealand Margarine could not be sold to the public from 1908 until
    1974. To get it before 1974, you needed a doctor's prescription (!!!!).
    When the ban was ended, the dairy industry asked for another concession
    -- that Margarine manufacturers be forced to colour it blue.

    In Quebec you couldn't even get coloured margarine until 2008. The
    province's cabinet agreed in late June 2008 that the time was right to
    change a 21-year-old law that forced margarine producers to colour their product white if they wanted to sell their wares in Quebec.

    There is another Brand of Margarine in the freezer and I'm wondering if all of the Margarine Brands color only the outside of the Sticks in the Margarine package?

    I'll find out when I start using that other Brand if it also is colored
    on the outside of the Margarine Bars.

    Why not buy butter. It's natural (not Frankenfood) and probably more
    healthy. The only time I use oleo is when I am cooking Kosher and there
    is meat involved.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Salami & Eggs
    Categories: Beef, Eggs
    Yield: 3 Servings

    2 tb Parve margarine or schmaltz
    2 sm Onions; chopped
    6 oz (150 g) salami; cubed
    6 lg Eggs; lightly beaten
    Fresh ground black pepper
    Fresh chives; chopped

    In a skillet, melt schmaltz or margarine over low heat.

    Add onions. Saute over medium heat until translucent.

    Stir in salami.

    Pour eggs over salami and onions. Stir over low heat
    until soft curds form. Be sure to remove from heat
    before the eggs get dry.

    Season with pepper.

    Garnish with chives, and serve with toasted bagel.

    Recipe by Itzhak Perlman on an Emeril show in TVFN

    From: http://kosherfood.about.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Archives

    MMMMM

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  • From Janis Kracht@1:261/38 to Dave Drum on Tuesday, November 20, 2018 23:39:42
    Hi Dave,


    That reminded me of seeing my Dad in the late 1940's or early 1950's
    pulling a plastic bag out of the Margarine package and squeezing the
    bag until the Orange spot in it, colored all of the contents to make it
    look more like the color of Butter.

    That was a work-around as the dairy industry, running scared, managed to lobby enough politicians to deny the selling of coloured margarine. But nothing prohibited the selling of a dye packet simultaneously. That was better than having it dyed pink - as was required in some jurisdictions.

    I can't remember when I used margerine last, but pink would have made me ill I'm sure :)

    In New Zealand Margarine could not be sold to the public from 1908 until 1974. To get it before 1974, you needed a doctor's prescription (!!!!).

    That is kind of insane, but I guess they were just plain serious about protecting their dairy farmers.

    When the ban was ended, the dairy industry asked for another concession
    -- that Margarine manufacturers be forced to colour it blue.

    In Quebec you couldn't even get coloured margarine until 2008. The
    province's cabinet agreed in late June 2008 that the time was right to
    change a 21-year-old law that forced margarine producers to colour their product white if they wanted to sell their wares in Quebec.

    I had no idea about this, it's incredible.

    There is another Brand of Margarine in the freezer and I'm wondering if
    all of the Margarine Brands color only the outside of the Sticks in the
    Margarine package?

    I'll find out when I start using that other Brand if it also is colored
    on the outside of the Margarine Bars.

    Why not buy butter. It's natural (not Frankenfood) and probably more
    healthy. The only time I use oleo is when I am cooking Kosher and there
    is meat involved.

    Yes, have to agree... though the only thing I do not always use butter for is greasing cake pans... for that, I grab a small amount of Crisco I keep in the cuboard, or say for bread, I use extra-virgin olive oil.

    I made an angel food cake tonight, it's Ron's birthday... he was happy :)

    ===
    Angel Food Cake From The Joy of Cooking:

    Preheat oven to 350F

    II. For a 10-inch tube pan

    Sift, then measure:

    1 cup cake flour
    (I use allpurpose flour, but remove 1 Tablespoon of flour from the
    measuring cup)

    Add and resift 6 times:
    1/2 cup sugar or confectioners' sugar

    Combine:

    1 1/2 cups egg whites [I just used a whole dozen]
    2 1/2 Tb. cold water
    1 1/2 teaspoon cream of tartar
    1 scant teaspoon vanilla
    1 teaspoon almond extract
    1/2 teaspoon salt

    Beat, until stiff, but not dry. Stop while the mixture is still glossy.

    Fold in, about 2 tablespoons at a time:
    1 cup sifted sugar

    Fold in the dry ingredients lightly--a little at a time--with a rubber scraper.

    Fold in:
    (3/4 cup blanched, thinly sliced, toasted almonds) [optional]
    Bake the batter in an ungreased tube pan for about 45 minutes.

    ===

    I dispensed with the toasted almonds... we don't like crunch in our angelfood cake :)

    Take care,
    Janis

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ed Vance on Wednesday, November 21, 2018 03:42:00
    On 11-20-18 13:24, Dave Drum <=-
    spoke to Ed Vance about Margarine <=-


    That reminded me of seeing my Dad in the late 1940's or early 1950's pulling a plastic bag out of the Margarine package and squeezing the
    bag until the Orange spot in it, colored all of the contents to make it look more like the color of Butter.

    I remember that in the early 1950's as well. Even though my grandmother
    in Georgia has a cow and churned her own butter, there was at least
    occasional margaring in the house.

    Between 1963 and 1967 we lived in Madison Wisconsin. At that time it
    was illegal to sell colored margarine in the stores. Consequently as
    you drove south to the Wisconsin / Illinois border, as soon as you
    crossed over the line you saw a *LOT* of stands selling brand names of
    colored margarine. Imperial, Blue Bonnet, etc.


    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05

    Title: CARROT AND RED LENTIL SOUP WITH ASIAN SPICES - HOUSE BEAU
    Categories: .hb, Soups
    Yield: 6 Servings

    2 T Butter
    1 1/2 T Grated fresh ginger
    1/4 t Cayenne pepper
    1/4 t Allspice
    1/4 t Curnin
    1/2 t Curry
    1/2 t Ground coriander seeds
    3/4 c Sliced onions
    3/4 c Peeled and sliced parsnips
    4 c Scrubbed and sliced carrots
    1/2 c Sliced celery
    1/2 t Kosher salt
    1/4 t Freshly ground black pepper
    1/4 c Red lentils
    1/4 c Basmati rice
    7 c Water, or vegetable stock
    3/4 c Coconut milk
    2 T Lime juice
    Mixture of shredded coconut,
    -chopped flat-leaf parsley,
    -and red lentils for garnish

    In a 3-quart saucepan, melt the butter over a low flame. Stir in the
    ginger and spices and cook for 1 minute. Add the onions, parsnips,
    carrots, and celery. Season to taste with salt and pepper. Raise the
    flame to medium and cook for 10 to 12 minutes, until the vegetables
    are soft but not browned.

    Stir in the lentils and rice, mixing until well combined with the
    vegetables. Add the water and bring to a boil. Lower the heat, cover
    the pot, and simmer for 30 minutes until the vegetables and rice are
    tender. Puree the soup in a blender until smooth.

    Return the soup to the saucepan, bring to a boil, and stir in the
    coconut milk and lime juice. Cook for 1 more minute and ladle into
    soup bowls. Garnish top with mixture of coconut, red lentils, and
    parsley. Serves 6 to 8.

    House Beautiful/November/94 Scanned & edited by Di Pahl & <gg>

    MMMMM



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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Janis Kracht on Wednesday, November 21, 2018 08:23:00
    Janis Kracht wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    That reminded me of seeing my Dad in the late 1940's or early 1950's
    pulling a plastic bag out of the Margarine package and squeezing the
    bag until the Orange spot in it, colored all of the contents to make it
    look more like the color of Butter.

    That was a work-around as the dairy industry, running scared, managed to lobby enough politicians to deny the selling of coloured margarine. But nothing prohibited the selling of a dye packet simultaneously. That was better than having it dyed pink - as was required in some jurisdictions.

    I can't remember when I used margerine last, but pink would have made
    me ill I'm sure :)

    I eat out a lot - and I know that the "buttery spread" ain't really
    butter.

    In New Zealand Margarine could not be sold to the public from 1908
    until 1974. To get it before 1974, you needed a doctor's prescription (!!!!).

    That is kind of insane, but I guess they were just plain serious about protecting their dairy farmers.

    The dairy lobby is huge and well-funded (a lot of it from gummint sources
    like subsidies).

    When the ban was ended, the dairy industry asked for another concession
    -- that Margarine manufacturers be forced to colour it blue.

    In Quebec you couldn't even get coloured margarine until 2008. The province's cabinet agreed in late June 2008 that the time was right to change a 21-year-old law that forced margarine producers to colour their product white if they wanted to sell their wares in Quebec.

    I had no idea about this, it's incredible.

    There is another Brand of Margarine in the freezer and I'm wondering if
    all of the Margarine Brands color only the outside of the Sticks in the
    Margarine package?

    I'll find out when I start using that other Brand if it also is colored
    on the outside of the Margarine Bars.

    Why not buy butter. It's natural (not Frankenfood) and probably more healthy. The only time I use oleo is when I am cooking Kosher and there
    is meat involved.

    Yes, have to agree... though the only thing I do not always use butter
    for is greasing cake pans... for that, I grab a small amount of Crisco
    I keep in the cuboard, or say for bread, I use extra-virgin olive oil.

    I keep butter-flavour Crisco for my popcorn popper. For greasing pans I'm
    more likely to use lard.

    I made an angel food cake tonight, it's Ron's birthday... he was happy
    :)

    I'm taking this to my Bro's for the annual Turkey Day pig-out. Drunken
    Hines was on sale and I had everything else. It's dead easy, too.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Irresistible Chocolate Cake
    Categories: Cakes, Chocolate, Pudding, Dairy
    Yield: 10 Servings

    18 1/4 oz Box chocolate cake mix
    3 1/2 oz Box instant chocolate
    - pudding mix
    4 lg Eggs
    2 ts (to 3 ts) instant coffee
    - granules
    +=DISSOLVED IN=+
    3/4 c Warm water
    1/2 c Oil
    1/2 c Dairy sour cream

    Set oven @ 350°F/175°C. Lightly grease and flour a 12
    cup fluted tube (Bundt) pan; set aside.

    To prepare cake, combine cake mix, pudding mix, eggs,
    coffee mixture, oil and sour cream in a large bowl;
    beat on high speed for 2 minutes. Pour into the
    prepared pan.

    Bake for 40 minutes or until a toothpick inserted in
    cake comes out clean; cool 10 minutes.

    Invert cake onto serving plate. Cool completely. Spread
    with icing (your choice - I like chocolate).

    Source: Recipe card from Grandma's Kitchen, MM
    Publications Int'l, Ltd.

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

    MMMMM

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  • From Janis Kracht@1:261/38 to Dave Drum on Friday, November 23, 2018 03:09:30
    Hi Dave,

    I can't remember when I used margerine last, but pink would have made
    me ill I'm sure :)

    I eat out a lot - and I know that the "buttery spread" ain't really
    butter.

    Yeah I forgot about that "buttery spread" you see at places like KFC, et. al. :) Usually when Ron and I have to go to Binghamton to our GP (OMG it's like 45min. away ... I guess were old and would rather stay put haha). We'll grab something for dinner since there are only certain hours we can do such things, end of the day, etc. and dealing with the whole dr. visit thing, getting ready,
    getting out the door, coming back ... and it's dinnertime is big drag :) So we'll pick up some KFC. And they throw in those rolls. And that "buttery spread" stuff... so inadverntantly I guess I _do_ buy margerine ...but I don't remember the last time I ate one of those rolls, nevermind that uh stuff on it.
    :)

    In New Zealand Margarine could not be sold to the public from 1908
    until 1974. To get it before 1974, you needed a doctor's prescription
    (!!!!).

    That is kind of insane, but I guess they were just plain serious about
    protecting their dairy farmers.

    The dairy lobby is huge and well-funded (a lot of it from gummint sources like subsidies).

    Oh yeah...

    Why not buy butter. It's natural (not Frankenfood) and probably more
    healthy. The only time I use oleo is when I am cooking Kosher and there
    is meat involved.

    Yes, have to agree... though the only thing I do not always use butter
    for is greasing cake pans... for that, I grab a small amount of Crisco
    I keep in the cuboard, or say for bread, I use extra-virgin olive oil.

    I keep butter-flavour Crisco for my popcorn popper. For greasing pans I'm more likely to use lard.

    I've never tried butter-flavor Criso.. To make popcorn, we have this red plastic thing for the microwave.. you fill the little cup inside with kernals, then it's just 2 minutes in the microwave:

    https://tinyurl.com/y8pg653s

    my Bro's for the annual Turkey Day pig-out. Drunken

    My daughter and her 3 sons and boyfriend came today.. and they brought their new, 10month old puppy, Isabella (Izzy for short). She is so lovey and cute :) She's white with some sparse black markings, definitely pit bull ears, but more
    of a short (very) lab body.. just like Sophie, one of my dogs.. a true mutt, just like my two haha...

    It was a trip. My girl here Sophie met Izzy nose to nose at one point, checked
    her butt and then wasn't worried a bit after that.. Indie, the male, remained "on guard" but friendly thoughout dinner <g>

    I definitely cooked too much. We started with homemade Ravioli and Marinara sauce (about 4-5 each) and spinach/beet green salad (beet greens from my aerogarden). Then we ate turkey, gravy, stuffing, sweetpotatoes with marshmellows (I can't resist LOL), spaghetti squash with butter and salt, mashed white potatoes and greenbean casserole. For dessert we had too many cakes and pies Lol..

    Was a great Thanksgiving dinner.. :)

    Take care,
    Janis

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  • From Dave Drum@1:229/452 to Janis Kracht on Friday, November 23, 2018 13:26:22
    Janis Kracht wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    I can't remember when I used margerine last, but pink would have made
    me ill I'm sure :)

    I eat out a lot - and I know that the "buttery spread" ain't really
    butter.

    Yeah I forgot about that "buttery spread" you see at places like KFC,
    et. al. :) Usually when Ron and I have to go to Binghamton to our GP
    (OMG it's like 45min. away ... I guess were old and would rather stay
    put haha). We'll grab something for dinner since there are only
    certain hours we can do such things, end of the day, etc. and dealing
    with the whole dr. visit thing, getting ready, getting out the door, coming back ... and it's dinnertime is big drag :) So we'll pick up
    some KFC. And they throw in those rolls. And that "buttery spread" stuff... so inadverntantly I guess I _do_ buy margerine ...but I don't remember the last time I ate one of those rolls, nevermind that uh
    stuff on it. :)

    I can't remember the last time I was in a Kentucky Fried Colonel store.
    It was when they were offering the "Double Down" gimmick.

    In New Zealand Margarine could not be sold to the public from 1908
    until 1974. To get it before 1974, you needed a doctor's prescription
    (!!!!).

    That is kind of insane, but I guess they were just plain serious about
    protecting their dairy farmers.

    The dairy lobby is huge and well-funded (a lot of it from gummint sources like subsidies).

    Oh yeah...

    Why not buy butter. It's natural (not Frankenfood) and probably more
    healthy. The only time I use oleo is when I am cooking Kosher and
    there is meat involved.

    Yes, have to agree... though the only thing I do not always use butter
    for is greasing cake pans... for that, I grab a small amount of Crisco
    I keep in the cuboard, or say for bread, I use extra-virgin olive oil.

    I keep butter-flavour Crisco for my popcorn popper. For greasing pans I'm more likely to use lard.

    I've never tried butter-flavor Criso.. To make popcorn, we have this
    red plastic thing for the microwave.. you fill the little cup inside
    with kernals, then it's just 2 minutes in the microwave:

    https://tinyurl.com/y8pg653s

    I had a similar one but it was clear and you couldn't put butter or
    grease in it .... and it was a beeeyahhhtch to get clean (clear again) sometimes. It went the way of the air popper. If the popcorn is "dry"
    popped it's nearly impossible to salt it properly. And, screw the cardiologists, I want salt on me popcorn. The Butter-flavour Crisco
    does double duty - adds a hint of butter flavour and lets the salt stick
    to the kernels. Bv)=

    my Bro's for the annual Turkey Day pig-out. Drunken

    My daughter and her 3 sons and boyfriend came today.. and they brought their new, 10month old puppy, Isabella (Izzy for short). She is so
    lovey and cute :) She's white with some sparse black markings,
    definitely pit bull ears, but more of a short (very) lab body.. just
    like Sophie, one of my dogs.. a true mutt, just like my two haha...

    It was a trip. My girl here Sophie met Izzy nose to nose at one point, checked her butt and then wasn't worried a bit after that.. Indie, the male, remained "on guard" but friendly thoughout dinner <g>

    I definitely cooked too much. We started with homemade Ravioli and Marinara sauce (about 4-5 each) and spinach/beet green salad (beet
    greens from my aerogarden). Then we ate turkey, gravy, stuffing, sweetpotatoes with marshmellows (I can't resist LOL), spaghetti squash with butter and salt, mashed white potatoes and greenbean casserole.
    For dessert we had too many cakes and pies Lol..

    Was a great Thanksgiving dinner.. :)

    It ain't Thanksgivimg without excesses.

    Brother's was Americana personified. Turkey and ham, sweet potato and marshmallow w/pecans casserole, green bean casserole, oyster dressing,
    regular dressing, mash tatties, crudities and dip, fresh baked rolls,
    etc., etc., etc. And many different desserts from puddings (three kinds)
    to cheese cake (I brought the cheesecake) with stops at pie(s), cakes
    and two kinds of cookies. And not a pumpkin is sight.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Dirty Dave's Double Down
    Categories: Poultry, Pork, Cheese
    Yield: 2 Servings

    4 (4 oz ea) chicken breast
    - cutlets, 1/4" thick
    4 sl Thick-cut bacon; crisp
    - cooked
    2 lg Eggs; beaten
    1 c Flour
    Salt & fresh ground pepper
    Garlic granules
    pn Onion granules; opt
    1 c Italian bread crumbs
    1/4 c Grated Parmesan
    4 sl Pepper jack cheese *

    * or your favourite sandwich cheese.

    Combine the flour, salt and pepper on a plate. Add the eggs
    to another plate and combine with about 1 Tablespoon of
    water. Combine the bread crumbs and the parmesan on a third
    plate.

    Dredge the chicken breasts in the flour mixture first, then
    the egg wash, and finally with the bread crumbs & Parmesan.

    Fry or deep-fry the breaded breasts until the coating is
    nicely crispy. Drain the excess oil on newspaper or paper
    towels. Place a slice of cheese on each breast after you
    have turned it over to let the back side drain - and while
    the chicken puck is still hot.

    Place two strips of the precooked bacon on top of two of
    the cheese covered patties. Top with remaining two breasts
    and chow down.

    Serves two normal people. Or one Dirty Dave

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to Dave Drum on Saturday, November 24, 2018 17:46:00
    11-20-18 13:24 Dave Drum wrote to Ed Vance about Margarine
    Howdy! Dave,

    @MSGID: <5BF430FD.115780.cooking@capitolcityonline.net>
    Ed Vance wrote to All <=-

    I cut a slice of Margarine off the other day and noticed it wasn't
    all colored Yellow.

    Only the outside of the bar was Yellow, inside it was white.

    Some margarines (especially the (ahem) *budget* brands) will get a
    deeper yellow on the outside for the quarter-pound bar and be a very
    pale, almost white in the centre. Flavour remains the same as the
    colour is provided by carotene or annato dyes.

    I'm sure the flavor would be the same all through the bar, it just surprised
    Me that the Maker didn't color all of the contents.

    As Gomer Pyle would say: "SURPRISE!, SURPRISE!".

    That reminded me of seeing my Dad in the late 1940's or early 1950's pulling a plastic bag out of the Margarine package and squeezing the
    bag until the Orange spot in it, colored all of the contents to make it look more like the color of Butter.

    That was a work-around as the dairy industry, running scared, managed
    to lobby enough politicians to deny the selling of coloured margarine.
    But nothing prohibited the selling of a dye packet simultaneously. That was better than having it dyed pink - as was required in some jurisdictions.
    -Snip-

    In reading Your post it makes me want to look up Margarine on Wikipedia,
    to see what other interesting things I can find out about Margarine.
    Thanks.

    There is another Brand of Margarine in the freezer and I'm wondering if all of the Margarine Brands color only the outside of the Sticks in the Margarine package?

    I'll find out when I start using that other Brand if it also is colored
    on the outside of the Margarine Bars.

    Why not buy butter. It's natural (not Frankenfood) and probably more healthy. The only time I use oleo is when I am cooking Kosher and there
    is meat involved.

    Somewhere in the back of My mind is the thought that Margarine is better
    to use than Butter.

    Maybe I'm confusing Butter with some references about Lard not being good
    for the body???

    A friend where I worked told Me Chicken isn't any good unless it is cooked
    in Lard.


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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, November 24, 2018 18:10:00
    11-21-18 02:42 Dale Shipp wrote to Ed Vance about Re: Margarine
    Howdy! Dale,

    @MSGID: <5BF53AED.115806.cooking@capitolcityonline.net>
    @REPLY: <5BF430FD.115780.cooking@capitolcityonline.net>
    On 11-20-18 13:24, Dave Drum <=-
    spoke to Ed Vance about Margarine <=-


    That reminded me of seeing my Dad in the late 1940's or early 1950's pulling a plastic bag out of the Margarine package and squeezing the
    bag until the Orange spot in it, colored all of the contents to make it look more like the color of Butter.

    I remember that in the early 1950's as well. Even though my
    grandmother in Georgia has a cow and churned her own butter, there was
    at least occasional margaring in the house.

    Between 1963 and 1967 we lived in Madison Wisconsin. At that time it
    was illegal to sell colored margarine in the stores. Consequently as
    you drove south to the Wisconsin / Illinois border, as soon as you
    crossed over the line you saw a *LOT* of stands selling brand names of colored margarine. Imperial, Blue Bonnet, etc.

    I lived in Kentucky until I got a job in Indiana, so I moved there to be
    nearer to the job.

    I didn't know that other States had Laws about selling Margarine.

    ... If someone else is paying for it, food just tastes a lot better.
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  • From Dave Drum@1:18/200 to Ed Vance on Sunday, November 25, 2018 09:25:00
    Ed Vance wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    I cut a slice of Margarine off the other day and noticed it wasn't
    all colored Yellow.

    Only the outside of the bar was Yellow, inside it was white.

    Some margarines (especially the (ahem) *budget* brands) will get a
    deeper yellow on the outside for the quarter-pound bar and be a very
    pale, almost white in the centre. Flavour remains the same as the
    colour is provided by carotene or annato dyes.

    I'm sure the flavor would be the same all through the bar, it just surprised Me that the Maker didn't color all of the contents.

    As Gomer Pyle would say: "SURPRISE!, SURPRISE!".

    If the margarine was "factory fresh" it would have had the colour evenly distributed. Shelf-life has a *lot* to do with appearance - especially
    in the budget brands.

    That reminded me of seeing my Dad in the late 1940's or early 1950's pulling a plastic bag out of the Margarine package and squeezing the
    bag until the Orange spot in it, colored all of the contents to make it look more like the color of Butter.

    That was a work-around as the dairy industry, running scared, managed
    to lobby enough politicians to deny the selling of coloured margarine.
    But nothing prohibited the selling of a dye packet simultaneously. That was better than having it dyed pink - as was required in some jurisdictions.
    -Snip-

    In reading Your post it makes me want to look up Margarine on
    Wikipedia, to see what other interesting things I can find out about Margarine. Thanks.

    Some links to follow: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margarine https://tinyurl.com/yb86svfo
    https://tinyurl.com/ybt6k526
    https://tinyurl.com/y9zlcuk5

    There is another Brand of Margarine in the freezer and I'm wondering if all of the Margarine Brands color only the outside of the Sticks in the Margarine package?

    I'll find out when I start using that other Brand if it also is colored
    on the outside of the Margarine Bars.

    Why not buy butter. It's natural (not Frankenfood) and probably more healthy. The only time I use oleo is when I am cooking Kosher and there
    is meat involved.

    Somewhere in the back of My mind is the thought that Margarine is
    better to use than Butter.

    Follow the middle Tin Yurl "ybt6k526" and get the straight dope.

    Maybe I'm confusing Butter with some references about Lard not being
    good for the body???

    If you're keeping Kosher it's not a good thing. Otherwise it's perfectly
    fine, natural food.

    A friend where I worked told Me Chicken isn't any good unless it is
    cooked in Lard.

    That's just personal prejudice and nostalgia for the was Granny used to
    did it. Bv)=

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    Title: Roger's Fried Chicken
    Categories: Poultry, Cajun, Dairy, Chilies
    Yield: 4 Servings

    1 ts Liquid crab boil
    1 qt (approx) water
    3 1/2 lb Chicken; in serving pieces
    1 lg Egg
    1 c Light cream
    1 c Water
    1/2 ts Garlic powder
    Salt, black & red pepper
    2 c Flour
    2 c Peanut oil

    In a large bowl, combine the crab boil with about 1 quart of
    water. Wash the chicken parts and then submerge the washed
    pieces in the crab boil mixture. Cover the bowl and place it
    in the refrigerator for at least 2 hours.

    In another bowl, combine the egg, light cream, the 1 cup of
    water, garlic powder, and seasoning to taste. Remove the
    chicken from the crab boil mixture. Dip the chicken in the
    egg mixture and the in the flour, coating both sides.

    In a skillet, heat the peanut oil to 350°F/175°C. Add 3
    pieces of chicken to the oil at a time. Turn the pieces and
    remove when the chicken is golden brown on both sides, about
    10 to 12 minutes.

    Recipe from: "Roger's Cajun Cookbook" by Vernon Roger,
    published 1987

    From: David Pileggi

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  • From JIM WELLER@1:123/140 to JANIS KRACHT on Sunday, November 25, 2018 20:21:00

    Quoting Janis Kracht to Dave Drum <=-

    that "buttery spread" you see at places like KFC, et. al. :)

    They don't do that in Canada. Our laws require eating places which
    serve margarine must display in large letters, "We use margarine
    here." Similarly coffee cream must be real cream not Coffee-Mate unless
    boldly labelled otherwise.

    The only time I use oleo is when I am cooking Kosher and there
    is meat involved.

    Many brands of margarine have a little bit of skim milk powder in
    their formula.

    The first of a small batch of camping recipes from local
    restaurateurs:

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    Title: Campfire Australian Sweet Damper
    Categories: Australian, Quickbreads
    Servings: 8

    4 c self raising flour [400g]
    1 TB ground cinnamon
    1 TB brown sugar
    1 ts salt
    75 g dried cherries
    75 g raisins
    2 TB butter
    200 ml Milk
    1 egg

    Add all the dry ingredients together in a bowl and mix. In a
    separate bowl, whip the egg into the milk, melt the butter and stir
    into the milk and egg. Slowly whisk the liquid into the dry
    ingredients and then knead by hand, up to a 100 kneads. If the
    mixture is sticky, add a little more flour; the dough should hold
    together well without breaking up. Wrap in greased foil and bury
    under the coals for 35 to 45 minutes. It's ready when golden brown.
    Serve hot with butter and add syrup or jam to taste.

    Think bannock, Oz-style. Luluz chef Jason Kirby grew up cooking this
    recipe in the Australian outback. The beautiful thing about damper
    is you can flavour it with anything, he tells us.

    From: Campfire Gourmet. Beyond wieners and beans: local chefs give
    us their favourite wilderness cooking recipes

    From: Edge Magazine

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    Cheers

    Jim


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  • From Janis Kracht@1:261/38 to JIM WELLER on Tuesday, November 27, 2018 12:56:10
    Hi Jim,

    that "buttery spread" you see at places like KFC, et. al. :)

    They don't do that in Canada. Our laws require eating places which
    serve margarine must display in large letters, "We use margarine
    here." Similarly coffee cream must be real cream not Coffee-Mate unless boldly labelled otherwise.

    I figured we are probably alone is this nonsense... :( Oh well, I can't imagine most people think that what places like KFC serves is really butter... I hope anyway :) :)

    The only time I use oleo is when I am cooking Kosher and there
    is meat involved.

    Many brands of margarine have a little bit of skim milk powder in
    their formula.

    True, I've seen that.

    The first of a small batch of camping recipes from local
    restaurateurs:

    MMMMM-----Meal-Master - formatted by MMCONV 2.10

    Title: Campfire Australian Sweet Damper
    Categories: Australian, Quickbreads
    Servings: 8

    4 c self raising flour [400g]
    1 TB ground cinnamon
    1 TB brown sugar
    1 ts salt
    75 g dried cherries
    75 g raisins
    2 TB butter
    200 ml Milk
    1 egg

    Add all the dry ingredients together in a bowl and mix. In a

    [...]

    I'd like to try this the next time we camp out ... or heck, maybe at the next barbecue. Not quite the same as camping out, but I could experiment at home :)

    Here's a recipe from http://breadandcompanatico.com/2012/03/25/home-baked-fette -biscottate-or-zwieback/ - interesting home bread baker :)

    ==HOME-BAKED FETTE BISCOTTATE

    You need: 500 g all-purpose flour, 75 g sugar, 1 egg, 1 tea-spoon malt extract (or honey), 12 g fresh yeast (or 5 g instant yeast), 210 g water, 4 table-spoon
    vegetable oil (I used cold-pressed canola), 5 g (1 tea-spoon) salt, 3 table-spoon milk.

    How To: Step 1. Melt the yeast in the water with the malt extract (or honey) and let rest 5 minutes. Combine the flour with the sugar in a large bowl. Add the egg white (and put the egg yolk aside for later use), the oil, and the yeast mixture. Knead for 20 minutes by machine (or 15 by hand), adding the salt
    only before the last 5 minutes of kneading. Let rest for 30 minutes covered with plastic foil. Step 2. Form 3 balls and cover again with plastic foil. Let rest for 15 minutes. Step 3. Flatten each ball with a rolling-pin on a floured surface and shape 3 tight rolls. Seal the roll with your fingers and place seamed side down on 3 mini-loaf pans, covered with baking paper. Let rest, covered with plastic foil for 1 to 2 hours in a lightly warm place. Brush with the egg-yolk combined with the milk. Step 4. Bake for 30 minutes at 190 degrees
    (Celsius) and then lower the temperature to 160, take the loaves out of the forms, and bake for further 15 minutes (they have to look golden brown). Step 5. Let cool covered with a kitchen towel for at least 12 hours (and up to 24 hours, if you wish). Cut into 1 cm wide slices and bake at 160 for about 30 minutes.
    ===

    Take care,
    Janis

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  • From JIM WELLER@1:123/140 to ED VANCE on Tuesday, November 27, 2018 22:40:00

    Quoting Ed Vance to Dave Drum <=-

    Somewhere in the back of My mind is the thought that Margarine is
    better to use than Butter.

    Maybe I'm confusing Butter with some references about Lard not being
    good for the body???

    There was a time when saturated fats and cholesterol were considered
    unhealthy which led people to shy away from both fatty red meats
    and butterfat (butter, cheese and cream, even whole milk).

    Generally speaking the higher the melting point, the more saturated
    the fat. Vegetable oils being low in saturated fats are liquid at
    room temperature (except coconut oil).

    But the hydrogenation process which converts vegetable oil into
    margarine is in fact saturating the oil, so the alleged benefits are
    lost! As well the process creates something called trans fat (as
    opposed to naturally occurring cis fat) which is perhaps more
    unhealthy than saturated fats. So people are subsequently switching
    from margarine (and shortening [same story]) and going back to
    butter.

    Degree of saturated fats in decreasing order: butter, cheese, beef,
    egg yolks, pork, chicken, fish, nuts and most vegetable oils (except
    palm and coconut).

    There's no need to be afraid of lard! It's midrange on that scale,
    just a wee bit higher than poultry fat.



    Cheers

    Jim


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