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    From MICHAEL LOO@1:123/140 to NANCY BACKUS on Thursday, November 15, 2018 11:48:40
    long since. But before the advent of writing, wasn't
    that the way knowledge was transmitted and preserved? We
    denigrate rote in teaching nowadays, but there was a
    time when that was the most effective, if not the only,
    way of nonexperiential learning.
    In my experience there's been call for both rote and note in teaching
    and learning.... notation whether musical or written language...

    I had a quartet for a brief time whose other
    violinist shortly thereafter went on to be
    concertmaster of the New World Symphony, so
    that ended that. Anyhow, she fully admitted
    that she couldn't read music because of too
    intense Suzuki training in her childhood, and
    playing with the likes of me made her stretch
    her boundaries.

    But there are tons of things that are well
    learned by rote and perhaps learned only
    that way until the child brain makes patterns
    out of what otherwise would be disjoint bits
    of information.

    there are some natural products or phenomena that
    are too complex to completely duplicate; my point
    was that there are some such that aren't.
    I'll agree that there could be such... just that I wouldn't at all be surprised when something heretofore unknown is discovered, and have that change the picture...

    It's possible to sort a lot of things molecule
    by molecule, perhaps even atom by atom, and
    then in a world of unlimited resources, they
    could be exactly replicated, unless it was
    discovered that there were other rules at work.
    But note that such would have to be really
    minuscule and likely pretty tiny in effect.

    Well, I do tend more to understatement than to exaggeration... (G)
    As I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate.
    Don't have to preach to the choir.... (G)

    You and what choir?

    It's amazing or amusing to me how much the needs of pets
    affect people's lives.
    True. Richard's not immune to it, either....

    A lot of otherwise sane-looking men go all
    goopy over small cute animals.

    But she does have a satisfying niche in being there to help out her son and helping to care for her grandsons... I do expect that she'll come East for future visits, she has a lot of friends here, and misses some other aspects of the scene here, especially food and music...
    Well, that's all to be expected. The purpose imparted
    by grandkids is especially powerful and gratifying.
    I suppose... maybe someday I'll experience it first hand....

    Who knows. Some of my friends have grandkids by
    only one of theirs, the others sitting back
    and not taking that responsibility. You don't
    have a backup, though.

    In so many arenas.
    Well, yeah.... the phone/internet do seem to be back in order completely now.... we have to wait for this month's upcoming bill to see if all the credits get properly applied....
    I'm certain they have had to hire people expressly to fix
    other people's mistakes or malfeasances in this way.
    Possibly... or perhaps the existing Customer Service and other
    employees are simply further overworked.....

    In which case there would be even more booboos for
    the others to fix.

    Actually, onions don't make me tear up... and cheese doesn't give me problems.... but beans sure do... :)
    All three of these give me the same problem; used
    to be cheese was the worst, but Lactaid and growing
    old have alleviated that. Beans, well, Beano never
    worked well for me. Onions do the same thing, but at
    least the flatus smells like onions. It's getting to
    the Mexican food is okay but in moderation for me stage.
    That's progress... :) I've been getting to the point of not having as
    much trouble with tomato sauce and Italian food, but am still careful to
    keep it in moderation as well...

    If Beano actually worked for me, my fondness for
    spicy Tex-Mex would have manifested much more
    readily. Mex-Mex not so much, as it tends to be
    simplistic, sometimes even underseasoned, to my
    taste, though that too is painting with a broad
    brush.

    Ancho Stuffed with Picadillo
    categories: Mexican, starter, counterexample
    servings: 6

    h - The Chiles
    6 md ancho chiles, stems left on
    1 1/2 c orange juice
    1/2 c grated piloncillo (raw sugar; sub molasses)
    1/2 c vinegar
    1 ts salt
    h - The Picadillo
    3 Tb vegetable oil
    1 clove garlic, minced
    1 sm onion, chopped fine
    1/2 lb ground beef
    1/2 lb ground pork
    1/4 c raisins
    1 md tomato, chopped
    2 ts minced cilantro
    5 serrano chiles, seeded, minced
    1/2 ts Mexican oregano
    Salt to taste
    h - Avocado Sauce
    3 tomatillos, husks removed
    2 Tb chopped onion
    2 serrano chiles, seeded, halved
    1 clove garlic
    1 Tb chopped cilantro
    1 avocado, peeled
    1 ts lime juice
    1/8 ts sugar
    1/2 ts salt
    1/2 c half and half

    Chiles Anchos Encaramelados con Picadillo en Salsa de Aguacate

    Take each ancho by the stem and using scissors, cut a
    T-shaped incision that extends across the shoulders of
    the chile and about two-thirds down the pod. Remove the
    seeds and membrane. In a saucepan, bring to a boil the
    remaining "The Chiles" ingredients. Add the anchos and
    simmer for 15 min, turning once (carefully). Remove
    from the heat and let cool. Remove the anchos, clean
    off any remaining seeds, and drain on paper towels.

    To make the picadillo, heat the oil and saute the onion
    and garlic. Add the beef and pork, turn the heat to high,
    and brown thoroughly, stirring often. Drain nearly all t
    he fat and liquid from the meat mixture. Add the
    remaining picadillo ingredients and cook over medium
    heat, uncovered, 15 to 20 min.

    Combine all the sauce ingredients in a food processor
    and puree. Add more half and half if necessary; the
    sauce should be just thin enough to pour. Strain the
    sauce and heat in a saucepan but do not boil.

    To assemble the dish, carefully stuff the anchos and
    place each one on a plate. Heat the plates in the oven
    or in the microwave. Drizzle the sauce over each ancho,
    add the side dishes, and serve.

    Lula Bertran as reported by Dave DeWitt
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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to MICHAEL LOO on Friday, November 16, 2018 16:47:00
    Quoting Michael Loo to Nancy Backus on 11-15-18 10:48 <=-

    long since. But before the advent of writing, wasn't
    that the way knowledge was transmitted and preserved? We
    denigrate rote in teaching nowadays, but there was a
    time when that was the most effective, if not the only,
    way of nonexperiential learning.
    In my experience there's been call for both rote and note in teaching
    and learning.... notation whether musical or written language...
    I had a quartet for a brief time whose other violinist
    shortly thereafter went on to be concertmaster of the
    New World Symphony, so that ended that. Anyhow, she
    fully admitted that she couldn't read music because of
    too intense Suzuki training in her childhood, and
    playing with the likes of me made her stretch her
    boundaries.

    She must have learned to read fairly well to become concertmaster of an orchestra.... or did she still learn all the music by rote....?

    But there are tons of things that are well learned by
    rote and perhaps learned only that way until the child
    brain makes patterns out of what otherwise would be
    disjoint bits of information.

    When I taught piano, I had a book of rote duets (my Aunt Sylvia had used
    them, and gave me a copy) that were very useful with any beginner
    student... You'd show the pupil which notes to play, and when to change,
    and then the teacher part made it into music... Taught rhythm, gave a
    feeling of accomplishment, and were fun to do as well... :) But I also
    always started with teaching the rudiments of reading the music... I did
    also use the rote duets with a few developmentally disabled that I
    wasn't teaching per se, but the duets were sort of a teaching for them...

    there are some natural products or phenomena that
    are too complex to completely duplicate; my point
    was that there are some such that aren't.
    I'll agree that there could be such... just that I wouldn't at all be surprised when something heretofore unknown is discovered, and have that change the picture...
    It's possible to sort a lot of things molecule
    by molecule, perhaps even atom by atom, and then
    in a world of unlimited resources, they could be
    exactly replicated, unless it was discovered that
    there were other rules at work.

    Kinda what I was getting at.... the lack of unlimited resources, and the possibility of other rules at work....

    But note that such would have to be really
    minuscule and likely pretty tiny in effect.

    Perhaps....

    It's amazing or amusing to me how much the needs of pets
    affect people's lives.
    True. Richard's not immune to it, either....
    A lot of otherwise sane-looking men go all
    goopy over small cute animals.

    The small cute animals really play it for all they are worth, too... ;)

    But she does have a satisfying niche in being there to help out her
    son and helping to care for her grandsons... I do expect that she'll
    come East for future visits, she has a lot of friends here, and misses some other aspects of the scene here, especially food and music...
    Well, that's all to be expected. The purpose imparted
    by grandkids is especially powerful and gratifying.
    I suppose... maybe someday I'll experience it first hand....
    Who knows. Some of my friends have grandkids by
    only one of theirs, the others sitting back
    and not taking that responsibility. You don't
    have a backup, though.

    Nope... and so far any grandkids are just talk.... I may live to see
    it, maybe not... ;0

    In so many arenas.
    Well, yeah.... the phone/internet do seem to be back in order
    completely now.... we have to wait for this month's upcoming bill
    to see if all the credits get properly applied....
    I'm certain they have had to hire people expressly to fix
    other people's mistakes or malfeasances in this way.
    Possibly... or perhaps the existing Customer Service and other
    employees are simply further overworked.....
    In which case there would be even more booboos for
    the others to fix.

    But you are thinking logically.... ;)

    Actually, onions don't make me tear up... and cheese doesn't give me problems.... but beans sure do... :)
    All three of these give me the same problem; used
    to be cheese was the worst, but Lactaid and growing
    old have alleviated that. Beans, well, Beano never
    worked well for me. Onions do the same thing, but at
    least the flatus smells like onions. It's getting to
    the Mexican food is okay but in moderation for me stage.
    That's progress... :) I've been getting to the point of not having as
    much trouble with tomato sauce and Italian food, but am still careful to keep it in moderation as well...
    If Beano actually worked for me, my fondness for spicy
    Tex-Mex would have manifested much more readily. Mex-Mex
    not so much, as it tends to be simplistic, sometimes
    even underseasoned, to my taste, though that too is
    painting with a broad brush.

    I've not actually tried Beano, to my recollection... if I did, I'd guess
    it didn't work for me, so put it out of mind.... ;) I mostly just avoid
    beans where possible.... Not every Mexican dish has beans in it... :)

    ttyl neb

    ... As much relationship to reality as a crossword puzzle is to literature

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