• common heritage

    From JIM WELLER@1:123/140 to MICHAEL LOO on Sunday, September 02, 2018 20:41:00
    Quoting Michael Loo to Nancy Backus <=-

    fallout from [...] home DNA testing - people will realize that
    their own heritage and that of their closest enemies are
    totally the same (or close enough as makes no difference).

    families she'd proudly claimed as Dutch had turned out to be
    clearly German [...] Genealogy research usually contains
    surprise revelations of heritage

    it doesn't make massive difference in any case,
    except in the attitudes and prejudices department.

    Back in the 1970s in my part of rural Ontario there were separate
    Dutch, German and Polish social clubs. All of them were too small to
    be sustainable but reluctant to merge because of bitter memories of
    WWII. Dutch Farmer Bill's dad, who had suffered badly in a Dutch
    concentration camp from 1941 until the Canadian liberation of 1945
    and had more reason than anyelse to hate Germans, was the one who
    spoke out on the side of common sense. He pointed out that the
    Renfrew County German immigrants mostly arrived between 1829 and
    1914, many to escape the constant continental wars and none were
    Nazis. And that the Poles came mainly in same time frame and had
    never been persecuted by their neighbours. The Dutch didn't show up
    until 1946-1947. "That war has been over for over 25 years and
    besides ... we all like beer, polkas and sausages." He convinced the
    three groups to hold one large joint Oktoberfest starting in 1972.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Gestamptepot
    Categories: Dutch, Sausage, Casseroles, Potatoes, Vegetables
    Yield: 10 Servings

    5 lb Potatoes, cooked, mashed
    1/4 lb Butter
    2 lb Sauerkraut, drained
    1 lb Frozen french cut green
    Beans, thawed, drained or
    Spinach or kale
    24 oz Beef knockwurst
    1 lb Smoked Polish Sausage

    You can use beef, or beef and pork, or Kielbasa.

    The older recipe had the sausage getting cut up at the table, but
    what I do is cook it in the microwave until it swells, then cut it
    in half-inch pieces, and add to the rest of the ingredients
    (including any juice from the sausage.)

    When everything is mixed up, put it in a baking dish, and bake for
    about an hour at 350 or 400 or even 450 degrees, depending on what
    else needs to be in the oven. (Though this is plenty for an entire
    meal!)

    This is a Dutch dish from my great grandmother. Simple, but really
    good!

    (brought to the 1998 LA Cook-In by Elena-Beth Kaye)

    MMMMM


    Cheers

    Jim


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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to JIM WELLER on Wednesday, September 05, 2018 14:14:00
    Quoting Jim Weller to Michael Loo on 09-02-18 20:41 <=-

    Back in the 1970s in my part of rural Ontario there were separate
    Dutch, German and Polish social clubs. All of them were too small to
    be sustainable but reluctant to merge because of bitter memories of
    WWII. Dutch Farmer Bill's dad, who had suffered badly in a Dutch concentration camp from 1941 until the Canadian liberation of 1945
    and had more reason than anyelse to hate Germans, was the one who
    spoke out on the side of common sense. He pointed out that the
    Renfrew County German immigrants mostly arrived between 1829 and
    1914, many to escape the constant continental wars and none were
    Nazis. And that the Poles came mainly in same time frame and had
    never been persecuted by their neighbours. The Dutch didn't show up
    until 1946-1947. "That war has been over for over 25 years and
    besides ... we all like beer, polkas and sausages." He convinced the
    three groups to hold one large joint Oktoberfest starting in 1972.

    Good for him.... and good for them that they listened to him... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From JIM WELLER@1:123/140 to NANCY BACKUS on Friday, September 07, 2018 22:40:00

    Quoting Nancy Backus to Jim Weller <=-

    "That war has been over for over 25 years and
    besides ... we all like beer, polkas and sausages." He convinced the
    three groups to hold one large joint Oktoberfest starting in 1972.

    Good for him.... and good for them that they listened to him... :)

    He was quite a guy. He died fairly young as he had chronic bad
    health due to the deprivations of the concentration camp years.

    The late, lamented hipster joint The Fat Fox served Cypriot curry
    once a week. (One of the chefs was British and had lived in Cyprus
    for a while before coming to Canada.)

    The owners demolished the building this week after the tenants
    bailed out rather than trying to repair it. The place was over 60
    eyars old, the roof leaked, the plumbing was shot and it had a bad
    (sinking) foundation to boot.

    MMMMM-----Meal-Master - formatted by MMCONV 2.10

    Title: Cypriot Beef Curry
    Categories: British, Curry, Beef
    Servings: 4

    1 kg boneless beef, cut into
    bite-size pieces
    3 TB olive oil
    1 onion, chopped
    6 cloves garlic, minced
    5 green chile peppers, seeded
    and finely sliced
    1 ts ginger paste
    3 whole cardamom seeds
    2 whole cloves
    1/2 cinnamon stick
    1 ts ground cumin
    1 ts ground coriander
    1 ts ground turmeric
    1 ts garlic powder
    1 ts cayenne pepper
    1 c water

    Heat olive oil in a large frying pan over medium heat. Brown thew
    beef Add onion, cook and stir until the onion has softened and
    turned translucent, about 5 minutes. Place the onions, the spice
    mixture and 1/2 cup water in the slow cooker; reserve the remaining
    water. Add the beef, cover and cook on Highsetting for 4 to 6 hours,
    Medium setting for 5 to 7 hours, or on Low setting for 8 to 10
    hours. Add reserved water if you like a thinner consistency. DO NOT
    take off the lid during cooking!

    (Cypriot food is largely Greek and Turkish but British style, not
    Indian, curries have become popular there. - JW)

    From: Https://Cyprusscene.Com

    MMMMM-------------------------------------------------



    Cheers

    Jim


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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to JIM WELLER on Wednesday, September 12, 2018 20:50:00
    Quoting Jim Weller to Nancy Backus on 09-07-18 22:40 <=-

    "That war has been over for over 25 years and
    besides ... we all like beer, polkas and sausages." He convinced the
    three groups to hold one large joint Oktoberfest starting in 1972.
    Good for him.... and good for them that they listened to him... :)

    He was quite a guy. He died fairly young as he had chronic bad
    health due to the deprivations of the concentration camp years.

    That's a shame... Do they still hold the joint Oktoberfest....?

    The late, lamented hipster joint The Fat Fox served Cypriot curry
    once a week. (One of the chefs was British and had lived in Cyprus
    for a while before coming to Canada.)

    Apparently it was well-received, to do it every week... :)

    The owners demolished the building this week after the tenants
    bailed out rather than trying to repair it. The place was over 60
    years old, the roof leaked, the plumbing was shot and it had a bad (sinking) foundation to boot.

    The age isn't so much the problem as the lack of repair... the bad
    foundation certainly wouldn't make anyone be eager to try to do the
    other repairs on it, either... Can't say as I'd blame the tenants at
    all for bailing on that one.... :)

    Title: Cypriot Beef Curry
    Categories: British, Curry, Beef

    Looks good... :)

    (Cypriot food is largely Greek and Turkish but British style, not
    Indian, curries have become popular there. - JW)

    You never know what will catch on in what places... ;)

    ttyl neb

    ... Being born is bad for your health, as it eventually leads to death.

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  • From JIM WELLER@1:123/140 to NANCY BACKUS on Friday, September 14, 2018 22:57:00

    Quoting Nancy Backus to Jim Weller <=-

    "That war has been over for over 25 years and
    besides ... we all like beer, polkas and sausages."

    Do they still hold the joint Oktoberfest....?

    I don't know. I haven't gone back since my mother passed away and
    that was 14 years ago.

    late, lamented hipster joint The Fat Fox served Cypriot curry

    We have three other places for curry or similar fare.

    There is a new Indian restaurant that may or may not succeed. The
    owner is kind of flaky and the location far from ideal. We'll see.

    The highly regarded Ethiopian restaurant has, as you can imagine,
    several dishes that use similar spices as Indian foods. It is
    about the only place I go out to anymore as I can cook better than
    any of the other restaurants at a third the cost.

    The last one is interesting: a French (Quebecer) chef has moved to
    Yellowknife and taken over a small snack bar inside a gym that
    wasn't doing very well. The previous owner pushed "healthy" things
    like protein shakes but Etienne Croteau is promoting flavourful
    first food.

    He calls his business the Flavour Trader or Saveurs de L'Artisan. He
    is open Mon to Fri, 11:30 AM to 1:30 PM and does lunches to go,
    either hot or frozen, with a limited number of chairs for a sit down
    meal. He reopens from 5 to 6 PM for takeout only, except summertime
    Tuesdays when he sells his food at the Farmer's Market instead. He
    always has two choices which change daily, one of them vegetarian.
    All his meals are heavily seasoned and originate from a number of
    countries. So various curries come up often.

    He also sells bulk herbs and spices (over 80, including several hard
    to find ones like ajwain, grains of paradise and saffron) plus his
    own spice blends which is what brought me to the place in the first
    place. But his lunchtime curry smelled so good I will be going back
    soon for a meal.

    To get the day's menu you have to check Facebook the night before:
    "This Friday, we are going to Lebanon! Come grab nice beef kefta,
    crispy fatouche salad, hummus, Za'atar pita bread, all topped with
    lemon and tahini sauce! Vegetarian option or, just because it's
    good, Falafel with the same sides."

    He has other great hipster credentials too. He owns and lives in
    Yellowknife's first tiny house and commutes to work by bicycle.

    Re: the Fat Fox

    The owners demolished the building this week after the tenants
    bailed out rather than trying to repair it. The place was over 60
    years old

    The age isn't so much the problem as the lack of repair... the bad foundation certainly wouldn't make anyone be eager to try to do the
    other repairs on it

    It wasn't so much age but the quality of the original construction.
    You see, from 1946 to 1966 it was a gold mining boom town that never
    had more than 4 to 12 years worth of proven reserves at any given
    time, so buildings went up quick and dirty with no thought to
    permanence. But ongoing drilling and exploration kept finding new
    reserves and then we became a capital city with a civil service in
    1967 and we started building more solid structures. The foundation
    was untreated wood blocking (similar to a mobile home set-up)
    directly on the dirt, not even on a raised gravel pad. It was
    rotting as well as settling unevenly. The centre of the building had
    settled enough that the roof line had a highly visual sag in it. The
    walls were just 2X4s with 24" spans and the roof was similarly
    flimsy. The whole building was under-insulated and drafty on all six
    sides. In other words not worth saving.

    Bask to Etienne, he is also keen on incorporating local wild
    foraged foodstuffs and country meat into his creations.

    --MM

    Campfire Moose Kefta Kebabs With Spruce Tip Labneh

    Kebab Meat
    1 1/2 lb moose meat, ground
    2 tb olive oil
    2 eggs
    3 cl garlic, minced
    1/2 red onion, chopped fine
    2 tb fresh wild mint, minced
    7 lomg pepper corns
    10 leaves Labrador Tea
    1/2 chipotle pepper, dried
    2 ts Kosher salt
    1/4 c pumpkin seeds
    1/4 c bread crumbs
    8 wooden skewers
    Labneh Spruce Tip Dip:
    1 c plain yogurt
    2 ts spruce tips
    1 tb lemon juice
    salt

    Put meat, oil, eggs, garlic, onion and mint into a bowl. Grind the
    long pepper, Labrador Tea and Chipotle. Add the mixed spices, salt,
    pumpkin seeds and bread crumbs to the meat and mix well with your
    hands. Press long kebabs onto each skewer. Grill over wood embers.
    For the labneh dip, mix all together.

    Tips: Soak skewers in water overnight before using.
    Drain yogurt overnight ahead of time in a cheesecloth to thicken.
    If you're not a hunter you can substitute in farmed elk, bison or
    venison.

    Accompaniments: grilled peppers, onions, asparagus or zucchini,
    bannock on a stick or pitas.

    Recipe by: Etienne Croteau

    Source: "Found Food", Edge Magazine, Yellowknife

    ---

    Cheers

    Jim

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Jim Weller on Monday, September 17, 2018 01:04:04
    On 09-14-18 22:57, Jim Weller <=-
    spoke to Nancy Backus about common heritage <=-

    Re: the Fat Fox

    The owners demolished the building this week after the tenants
    bailed out rather than trying to repair it. The place was over 60
    years old

    The age isn't so much the problem as the lack of repair... the bad foundation certainly wouldn't make anyone be eager to try to do the
    other repairs on it

    1967 and we started building more solid structures. The foundation
    was untreated wood blocking (similar to a mobile home set-up)
    directly on the dirt, not even on a raised gravel pad. It was
    rotting as well as settling unevenly. The centre of the building had settled enough that the roof line had a highly visual sag in it. The
    walls were just 2X4s with 24" spans and the roof was similarly
    flimsy. The whole building was under-insulated and drafty on all six sides. In other words not worth saving.

    We once had a coach tour that went up the Alaskan highway, and I can
    easily visualize the result of years of frost heaves, etc.


    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05

    Title: Chocolate Hazelnut Ice Cream
    Categories: Ice cream, Dessertice
    Yield: 4 servings

    2 c Hazelnuts, roasted, skinned
    -and chopped
    12 oz Semisweet chocolate,
    -chopped
    1 oz Bitter chocolate
    1/3 c Water
    4 ts Instant espresso coffee
    4 ts Hot water
    2 c Heavy cream, scalded
    8 Egg yolks
    1 c Superfine sugar

    Place chocolates in water over low heat and melt until smooth.
    Dissolve espresso in hot water and add cream.
    Beat egg yolks and sugar until thick, then add chocolate mixture
    and cream mixture.
    Beat well.
    Cook over low heat until thickk and coats a spoon.
    Set pan in ice until cold.
    Place in ice cream maker and process until soft. Add nuts.
    Continue until firm.
    From the files of Earl Shelsby

    MMMMM


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  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to JIM WELLER on Thursday, September 20, 2018 14:44:24
    Quoting JIM WELLER to NANCY BACKUS on 14-Sep-2018 22:57 <=-

    "That war has been over for over 25 years and
    besides ... we all like beer, polkas and sausages."
    Do they still hold the joint Oktoberfest....?

    I don't know. I haven't gone back since my mother passed away and
    that was 14 years ago.

    Hopefully they do still... :) It sounds like a lovely tradition... :)

    We have three other places for curry or similar fare.
    There is a new Indian restaurant that may or may not succeed. The
    owner is kind of flaky and the location far from ideal. We'll see.

    As long as the food is good, it should have a chance, I'd think... :)
    But, true... location can be an issue, too.... Although, there's a few
    local ones that one might not think have a good location, but they are
    almost always crowded... :)

    The highly regarded Ethiopian restaurant has, as you can imagine,
    several dishes that use similar spices as Indian foods. It is
    about the only place I go out to anymore as I can cook better than
    any of the other restaurants at a third the cost.

    Sounds like they are very very good... :) The Ethiopian restaurant I
    took the echo picnic group to is also quite good, and they did a good
    job of serving us lovely food.... :)

    The last one is interesting: a French (Quebecer) chef has moved to Yellowknife and taken over a small snack bar inside a gym that
    wasn't doing very well. The previous owner pushed "healthy" things
    like protein shakes but Etienne Croteau is promoting flavourful
    first food.
    He calls his business the Flavour Trader or Saveurs de L'Artisan. He
    is open Mon to Fri, 11:30 AM to 1:30 PM and does lunches to go,
    either hot or frozen, with a limited number of chairs for a sit down
    meal. He reopens from 5 to 6 PM for takeout only, except summertime Tuesdays when he sells his food at the Farmer's Market instead. He
    always has two choices which change daily, one of them vegetarian.
    All his meals are heavily seasoned and originate from a number of countries. So various curries come up often.

    That does sound interesting... So, outside of his limited hours, sounds
    like he may be doing a fair bit of food preparation ahead of time....

    He also sells bulk herbs and spices (over 80, including several hard
    to find ones like ajwain, grains of paradise and saffron) plus his
    own spice blends which is what brought me to the place in the first
    place. But his lunchtime curry smelled so good I will be going back
    soon for a meal.

    You may have found another place to patronize besides the Ethiopian
    one... ;)

    To get the day's menu you have to check Facebook the night before:
    "This Friday, we are going to Lebanon! Come grab nice beef kefta,
    crispy fatouche salad, hummus, Za'atar pita bread, all topped with
    lemon and tahini sauce! Vegetarian option or, just because it's
    good, Falafel with the same sides."

    Does he also post it at the site, for people that just walk in...? Or
    would one have to ask...? Sounds enticing... :)

    He has other great hipster credentials too. He owns and lives in Yellowknife's first tiny house and commutes to work by bicycle.

    What brought him to Yellowknife in the first place...?

    Re: the Fat Fox
    The owners demolished the building this week after the tenants
    bailed out rather than trying to repair it. The place was over 60
    years old
    The age isn't so much the problem as the lack of repair... the bad
    foundation certainly wouldn't make anyone be eager to try to do the
    other repairs on it

    It wasn't so much age but the quality of the original construction.
    You see, from 1946 to 1966 it was a gold mining boom town that never
    had more than 4 to 12 years worth of proven reserves at any given
    time, so buildings went up quick and dirty with no thought to
    permanence.

    Ah, the "it's only camp" mentality.... ;)

    But ongoing drilling and exploration kept finding new
    reserves and then we became a capital city with a civil service in
    1967 and we started building more solid structures. The foundation
    was untreated wood blocking (similar to a mobile home set-up)
    directly on the dirt, not even on a raised gravel pad. It was
    rotting as well as settling unevenly. The centre of the building had settled enough that the roof line had a highly visual sag in it. The
    walls were just 2X4s with 24" spans and the roof was similarly
    flimsy. The whole building was under-insulated and drafty on all six sides. In other words not worth saving.

    Definitely not worth saving, in that case... about all one could do
    would be to tear it down and start over....

    Bask to Etienne, he is also keen on incorporating local wild
    foraged foodstuffs and country meat into his creations.

    Sounds like you may have acquired a gem... :) or, at the very least, a
    very interesting fellow... ;)

    ttyl neb

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