• 172 silly cons was si

    From MICHAEL LOO@1:123/140 to NANCY BACKUS on Saturday, August 18, 2018 10:50:30
    Actually, in genealogy there was mostly content, and sometimes quite a
    lot of it packed into a message... And there were a lot of people regularly posting... probably a couple hundred of regulars....
    Seems that was a goal-driven echo; ours not so much.
    True... it really was goal-driven, as we all were looking to hopefully
    find a cousin that had more info on the lines we were having trouble searching... and to exchange info with.... once contact was established, further info exchange was likely to be done in snail mail... :) And

    See, ours is much more open-ended and without
    an overarching goal - our goals are ephemeral;
    problem is that without a critical mass, there's
    going to be nobody to answer the occasional
    questions that arise.

    newbies to the field needed to learn where and how to look... There was
    a feeling of family there, too, so there were some messages that were
    more personal than genealogical from time to time...

    We could do that sort of thing here, I guess.

    Seems that some previous moderators tried to keep
    the conference on the straight and narrow,
    The larger the conference, the more things have to be more or less kept
    in line, lest things get too unwieldy.... and some focus is needed...

    It's not the unwieldy issue so much as the in
    line for other reasons issue.

    but with a smaller group, the focus is more likely to stray more... not necessarily a bad thing...

    That's my more comfortable condition, anyway,
    and I hope it's agreeable to the majority here.

    plus there were places such as Recipes and International
    Cooking, the point of which always escaped me.
    They were useful to some subset, no doubt... Like the TAGLINES echo,
    devoted just to tags... ;)

    I suppose, though the need diminishes as the
    Internet fills in almost all its gaps, making
    us more and more a purely social thing.

    +

    Exactly. One really does need to keep things in perspective... :)
    The question has been raised how many people actually
    eat oysters, and my top-of-head answer would be probably
    a lot more than go outside during thunderstorms.
    A good possibility... ;)

    Unless we're on a one-way stupidity path to
    oblivion, it's got to be that way.

    Meanwhile making ourselves more vulnerable.... ;)
    That's the rub, if you will. I've always been
    hostile to the widespread use of antibacteriala;
    didn't think much about alcohol, though until
    recently. I always preferred high-percentage
    propyl when I could get it, and now that 70%
    appears to be the minimum reliable germkilling
    concentration, that preference should become
    more widespread.
    You'd think. There's a balance between not spreading germs and
    encouraging the germs to evolve into being more resistant...

    The most effective way to kill germs, they now
    say, is to squash them. So rinsing, with lots
    of rubbing action, is important; antimicrobials
    apparently less good for the purpose and you in
    general.

    Birch bark bread
    categories: starch, odd, celebrity
    yield: 1 batch

    600 g whole grain flour
    400 g tipo 00 flour
    75 g birch flour
    20 g salt
    925 g water
    200 g sourdough starter

    Combine first 5 ingredients and soak overnight.
    The next morning add 200 g sourdough. Over the
    next 4 or 5 hr turn the dough every 45 to 60 min
    by pulling up one corner and folding it over
    onto itself. Give the bowl a quarter turn and
    repeat until you have made it all the way around.

    Shape loaves into tight rounds and let them rest
    for 20 min. Then fold them into tight packages
    and place in a rising basket. Allow to rise for
    2 to 3 hr.

    Place Dutch oven with lid into oven and preheat
    oven to 250C/475F. Once hot, drop the dough into
    the pot, score, and put the lid back on. Decrease
    temperature to 230C/450F and bake for 20 min.
    Remove the lid and bake for another 25 min until
    the crust turns a beautiful golden brown.

    Rene Redzepi, nordicfoodlab.org
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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to MICHAEL LOO on Wednesday, August 22, 2018 21:07:00
    Quoting Michael Loo to Nancy Backus on 08-18-18 10:50 <=-

    Actually, in genealogy there was mostly content, and sometimes quite a lot of it packed into a message... And there were a lot of people regularly posting... probably a couple hundred of regulars....
    Seems that was a goal-driven echo; ours not so much.
    True... it really was goal-driven, as we all were looking to hopefully
    find a cousin that had more info on the lines we were having trouble searching... and to exchange info with.... once contact was established, further info exchange was likely to be done in snail mail... :) And
    See, ours is much more open-ended and without
    an overarching goal - our goals are ephemeral;
    problem is that without a critical mass, there's
    going to be nobody to answer the occasional
    questions that arise.

    So far, we appear to be keeping up a sufficient critical mass... ;)
    Meanwhile, GENEALOGY is no more, since the critical mass moved to the
    Internet, and not enough were left behind to keep things going here...

    newbies to the field needed to learn where and how to look... There was
    a feeling of family there, too, so there were some messages that were
    more personal than genealogical from time to time...
    We could do that sort of thing here, I guess.

    Which... the teaching newbies....? or the allowing personal touches
    that add to our feeling of family... ;)

    Seems that some previous moderators tried to keep
    the conference on the straight and narrow,
    The larger the conference, the more things have to be more or less kept
    in line, lest things get too unwieldy.... and some focus is needed...
    It's not the unwieldy issue so much as the in
    line for other reasons issue.

    I guess it depends on the reasons... and how stifling it ends up being,
    how appropriate it would be...

    but with a smaller group, the focus is more likely to stray more... not necessarily a bad thing...
    That's my more comfortable condition, anyway,
    and I hope it's agreeable to the majority here.

    It appears to be.... :)

    plus there were places such as Recipes and International
    Cooking, the point of which always escaped me.
    They were useful to some subset, no doubt... Like the TAGLINES echo,
    devoted just to tags... ;)
    I suppose, though the need diminishes as the
    Internet fills in almost all its gaps, making
    us more and more a purely social thing.

    Nothing wrong with being a social thing... I'd not say it's purely
    social, as it does have a focus, more or less... ;)

    Meanwhile making ourselves more vulnerable.... ;)
    That's the rub, if you will. I've always been
    hostile to the widespread use of antibacteriala;
    didn't think much about alcohol, though until
    recently. I always preferred high-percentage
    propyl when I could get it, and now that 70%
    appears to be the minimum reliable germkilling
    concentration, that preference should become
    more widespread.
    You'd think. There's a balance between not spreading germs and
    encouraging the germs to evolve into being more resistant...
    The most effective way to kill germs, they now
    say, is to squash them. So rinsing, with lots
    of rubbing action, is important; antimicrobials
    apparently less good for the purpose and you in
    general.

    Especially as the antimicrobials tend to just encourage the bugs to
    evolve stronger..... ;0

    ttyl neb

    ... Ambidextrose: Able to put creamer in coffee using either hand.

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