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    From MICHAEL LOO@1:123/140 to RUTH HAFFLY on Tuesday, June 26, 2018 15:18:14
    The issue with tobacco smoke is the same as
    that with perfume or severe B.O. - it's an
    unplanned and probably unwanted intrusion
    into the food experience. But see below.
    I used to ask to be reseated if a dining establishment wanted to seat me
    near smokers. One place in SV, AZ tried putting me in their non smoking side--about 3' from the smoking side with no barrier between. That was a
    "no go" right away so we ended up in a different section of the place,
    far from any smokers except those who had to walk by us to get to the
    door.

    A couple days ago I was nauseated by a smoky
    room, and it transpired that some people had
    come the smoke-free space in with their clothing
    saturated in it.

    Remember the days when smoking was allowed on
    planes? The smoking and nonsmoking sections
    were designated by a little movable sign, but
    the whole vehicle always reeked.

    I've no problem with fresh, curing tobacco--smelled a lot of that when
    we lived in coastal NC in the 70s/80s. It's when they add all the other
    stuff to it that turns me off. Went thru Winston-Salem once in the late
    70s; the city smelled like an old cigarette. Was in the city a couple of years ago and couldn't smell any tobacco.

    Fresh tobacco actually is a kind of okay smell.

    but it should be equally easy to make a
    cake in the shape of a meatloaf.
    Simple--use a loaf pan for the basic shape, then sculpt and ice it.
    Make > the icing look like mashed potatoes, with a side of "ketchup". Figured.
    No, I won't make one for you.

    Pout.

    Well, or too fake not to be true, or something.
    Whatever, I don't cook for style points most of the time. The few wxceptions are usually cakes done for a special occaision.
    A neat presentation is better than a messy
    one, but not if it comes at a cost to the food
    itself; it's secondary in the last analysis.
    Most food doesn't have to be fancied up to look good. If it's neatly presented on a clean plate or other dish, that should be all the styling needed. There are exceptions to that, but by and large, you don't need
    to style the food to the point of "is that what I ordered?" fancy.

    Different people have different thresholds and
    criteria. I don't much care if stuff is slopped
    on the plate with gravy dripping off the side
    (better that than having it wiped off with a
    much-used and probably mildewy-by-now cloth,
    the way restaurants tend to do things).

    The CPL has a collection of his papers/books already, so figure they might be interested in adding to it. AFAIK, they, and the Library of Congress are the only ones with a copy of one book that I also own. There may be more, distant relatives with a copy, but none have
    shown up > in searches.
    Scarcity is important, but utility to others
    is more so.
    True, and there are relatives that I don't know that may appreciate
    having the new materials. Or, they may not; I don't know but presume the former over the latter.

    Possible, but by that reasoning, you might as
    well give the stuff to the Mormons, who for
    various reasons treasure all such.

    Maybe not, but our predecessors had no
    reason to believe that a letter of Beethoven
    would be so prized a hundred years thence.
    I was to know he would grow up to be Beethoven?

    He'd already grown up to be Beethoven. He died
    in 1827; we were born in 1837.

    Digitise but keep the originals also for things of historic value.
    Until your warehouses burst at the seams.
    Most places should be so lucky.

    It generally won't happen for a while, but
    I just went to the library for something,
    and it had been put in the warehouse, and
    it turned out that it had even been moved
    from there to another more remote warehouse.
    As I'm leaving for Swisher's, I can't wait
    for the several days it would take to get
    the stuff out of stir.

    If you add the booze early. Later on, as we
    have discussed years ago, the temperature of
    a simmering dish won't get high enough to drive
    off all (or practically all) of the ethanol.
    I'd probably add it as I was adding other liquids after browning the
    meat. Deglaze the pot/pan somewhat, then let the meat braise for a bit
    before adding vegetables.

    OK, but that method is partly responsible for
    the research findings that a lot of booze
    stays in the dish. Better to cook it down a
    bit (say almost half) before adding it.

    supposedly have > their origins on a politician saying "that's one for Buncombe (County)" > when he won an election but who's to say that's accurate? (G)
    Buncombe County has been dragged into several
    putative etymologies I've seen, none of them
    convincing to me.
    I've yet to ascribe 100% credence to any statement of the sort.

    Heh, true enough.

    Interesting thing - in centuries past, the
    area grew significant tobacco crops, and now
    there is a ban on smoking in public places
    throughout the county.
    Same with most of the state. I can go into a public place and not have
    to worry about being able to breathe now.

    The old-time Carolinians would be shaking
    their heads in dismay. I sniff with relief,
    though

    Pipe tobacco smoked duck
    On the order of tea smoked duck?

    Pretty much. And for many people, pipe
    tobacco is the least objectionable kind
    of smoke.

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to MICHAEL LOO on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 13:47:47
    Hi Michael,

    The issue with tobacco smoke is the same as
    that with perfume or severe B.O. - it's an
    unplanned and probably unwanted intrusion
    into the food experience. But see below.
    I used to ask to be reseated if a dining establishment wanted to
    seat me > near smokers. One place in SV, AZ tried putting me in their
    non smoking > side--about 3' from the smoking side with no barrier between. That was a > "no go" right away so we ended up in a different section of the place, > far from any smokers except those who had to
    walk by us to get to the > door.

    A couple days ago I was nauseated by a smoky
    room, and it transpired that some people had
    come the smoke-free space in with their clothing
    saturated in it.

    I've had that experience. We've opened the door to some supposed non
    smoking motel rooms and been greeted by a strong smell of smoke. Usually
    it's caused by the adjoining room(s) being smoking ones. So far, staff
    has been able to move us to a better room but if that's not possible,
    we'll have to cancel a stay. The camper is our motel room on wheels but
    we can't take it everywhere.

    Remember the days when smoking was allowed on
    planes? The smoking and nonsmoking sections
    were designated by a little movable sign, but
    the whole vehicle always reeked.

    Do I ever remember! Coming home from Berlin in July of 1992, flew Pan
    Am. They seated us about 2 rows up from the smoking section so asked if
    we could get moved. We did get moved up several rows but still had to
    put up with the smoke. I was having asthma problems that year so the
    smoke didn't help.


    I've no problem with fresh, curing tobacco--smelled a lot of that
    when > we lived in coastal NC in the 70s/80s. It's when they add all
    the other > stuff to it that turns me off. Went thru Winston-Salem
    once in the late > 70s; the city smelled like an old cigarette. Was in
    the city a couple of > years ago and couldn't smell any tobacco.

    Fresh tobacco actually is a kind of okay smell.

    Agreed, it's when they add all the other stuff to it............

    but it should be equally easy to make a
    cake in the shape of a meatloaf.
    Simple--use a loaf pan for the basic shape, then sculpt and
    ice it. > ML> Make > the icing look like mashed potatoes, with a side
    of "ketchup". > ML> Figured.
    No, I won't make one for you.

    Pout.

    OK, if you really want me to, maybe some year for the picnic I will. (G)


    Well, or too fake not to be true, or something.
    Whatever, I don't cook for style points most of the time. The
    few > ML> > wxceptions are usually cakes done for a special
    occaision.
    A neat presentation is better than a messy
    one, but not if it comes at a cost to the food
    itself; it's secondary in the last analysis.
    Most food doesn't have to be fancied up to look good. If it's neatly presented on a clean plate or other dish, that should be all the
    styling > needed. There are exceptions to that, but by and large, you don't need > to style the food to the point of "is that what I
    ordered?" fancy.

    Different people have different thresholds and
    criteria. I don't much care if stuff is slopped
    on the plate with gravy dripping off the side
    (better that than having it wiped off with a
    much-used and probably mildewy-by-now cloth,
    the way restaurants tend to do things).

    I would like a neat plate, no gravy dripping off the side. It's an "I
    don't care, just get the food out" attitude if it's sloppily plated in
    the kitchen. It means that the server has to put his/her fingers in the
    food being served--that wouldn't fly past the health department.


    The CPL has a collection of his papers/books already, so
    figure they > ML> > might be interested in adding to it. AFAIK, they,
    and the Library of > ML> > Congress are the only ones with a copy of
    one book that I also own. > ML> > There may be more, distant
    relatives with a copy, but none have > ML> shown up > in searches.
    Scarcity is important, but utility to others
    is more so.
    True, and there are relatives that I don't know that may appreciate having the new materials. Or, they may not; I don't know but presume
    the > former over the latter.

    Possible, but by that reasoning, you might as
    well give the stuff to the Mormons, who for
    various reasons treasure all such.

    We'd rather it stayed in the area where my g/grandfather lived/worked
    and with his other papers.


    Maybe not, but our predecessors had no
    reason to believe that a letter of Beethoven
    would be so prized a hundred years thence.
    I was to know he would grow up to be Beethoven?

    He'd already grown up to be Beethoven. He died
    in 1827; we were born in 1837.

    OK, so the group got the papers relatively close to his death. He was
    important enough that they held on to them, but not great enough in
    their eyes, to want to keep the papers forever.


    Digitise but keep the originals also for things of historic
    value. > ML> Until your warehouses burst at the seams.
    Most places should be so lucky.

    It generally won't happen for a while, but
    I just went to the library for something,
    and it had been put in the warehouse, and
    it turned out that it had even been moved
    from there to another more remote warehouse.
    As I'm leaving for Swisher's, I can't wait
    for the several days it would take to get
    the stuff out of stir.

    Guess you have to know far enough in advance to know you'll need it to
    put in the request for it. (G)


    If you add the booze early. Later on, as we
    have discussed years ago, the temperature of
    a simmering dish won't get high enough to drive
    off all (or practically all) of the ethanol.
    I'd probably add it as I was adding other liquids after browning the meat. Deglaze the pot/pan somewhat, then let the meat braise for a
    bit > before adding vegetables.

    OK, but that method is partly responsible for
    the research findings that a lot of booze
    stays in the dish. Better to cook it down a
    bit (say almost half) before adding it.

    So noted.


    supposedly have > their origins on a politician saying "that's
    one for > ML> Buncombe (County)" > when he won an election but who's
    to say that's > ML> accurate? (G)
    Buncombe County has been dragged into several
    putative etymologies I've seen, none of them
    convincing to me.
    I've yet to ascribe 100% credence to any statement of the sort.

    Heh, true enough.

    And probably not worthy of taking the time to check out most of the hot
    air you hear now.

    Interesting thing - in centuries past, the
    area grew significant tobacco crops, and now
    there is a ban on smoking in public places
    throughout the county.
    Same with most of the state. I can go into a public place and not
    have > to worry about being able to breathe now.

    The old-time Carolinians would be shaking
    their heads in dismay. I sniff with relief,
    though

    We both breath a sigh of relief.


    Pipe tobacco smoked duck
    On the order of tea smoked duck?

    Pretty much. And for many people, pipe
    tobacco is the least objectionable kind
    of smoke.

    It doesn't smell as bad as some of the others in the pre burn stage.
    Once it's lit, it is a bit, but not much, less obnoxious. I try to stay
    clear of any kind of smoke, even wood smoke these days.

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    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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