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    From MICHAEL LOO@1:123/140 to NANCY BACKUS on Sunday, June 03, 2018 22:29:30
    Short-term gain is a big incentive for rolling out
    new products that really offer no advantage over what
    has been available already. Silpat sheets are okay,
    but they do nothing that greased or parchment-lined
    ordinary ones can't, plus they make a flatter product
    unless you put in too much flour.
    That sounds like a drawback to me... :) Unless one wants a flatter
    product, I suppose....

    Just another reason not to be into them.

    But muffin tins made of the same material, which is
    how this particular subdiscussion got started, who
    was the genius who thought that up?
    Apparently someone who thought there was money in it....

    Oh, let's cheat the gullible gourmet public
    of a few bucks. Great.

    I do admit that there are silicone products
    that make sense, though.

    Dunno as I've seen them lately... I did see a package of the Nabisco
    ones recently.... oh, I bet there are some in the bulk department...
    get a handful of each for the picnic, maybe...?
    I've seen them mostly in ethnic stores, as
    Is that where you got the green tea version of KitKats...? I wonder if
    there are similar flavors of the sugar wafers...

    I forget where those Kit Kats came from, but I'd
    guess Asia someplace.

    enough to give astute planners reason to be cautious.
    One would think... ;)
    There's a balance - but sometimes circumstances
    change or luck just runs out. Two years ago there
    was a monster "once in a thousand years" flood in
    Ellicott City, just a few miles from the Shipps';
    Yes, I was in town for that one... in MD for a niece's wedding...

    Did the rain put a damper on those festivities?

    a couple days ago there there was another "once in
    a thousand years" flood, said to be even worse.
    Somehow 2016-2018 hardly constitutes a millennium.
    I heard on the radio someone interviewed that had fixed up his store
    after the first one, thinking, well if this is a millennium flood, it's
    worth fixing up and starting over again... he indicated this has made
    him rethink that... but he didn't say whether or not he'd be fixing up
    again or not... I suppose one could consider this one the one in
    thousand years for the next millennium.... But I also suppose that one shouldn't count on it... ;)

    And some of us suspect that the one-in-a-thousand
    will start happening several times in a lifetime.

    Probably no and no, but it won't be my problem
    - I've done what I could to instill my version
    of good sense in him, and it has not worked at
    all: I've fulfilled my promise to my father
    the best I could, and it's Pontius Pilate time.
    I hear you... I'd tend to agree that you've fulfilled your promise...
    not much more you could do other than getting him declared incompetent
    and putting his share into a trust that doles out only what is needed,
    when needed...

    It's not up to me any more. I'm not a guardian,
    trustee, or even household member.

    Or dad's mother... the real power behind the throne... ;)
    But dad's mother is usually working. Have you
    not noticed that in mom-and-pops, it's generally
    Pop who hangs around doing next to nothing?
    I was thinking in particular of a little Asian restaurant in our
    neighborhood some years ago... Dad was the cook, Mom was the
    hostess/waitress (assisted, as they got old enough, by the little
    girls), but Dad's mom wandered around the place, keeping little ones in line... and, one noted from time to time, made decisions for the kitchen
    and elsewhere... they all worked pretty hard, but dad's mother was the
    one cracking the whip, so to speak... :)

    Pop sometimes is the cook, I'll admit, but quite
    often I've seen him just hanging around.

    turning old... so 4 friends at his 4th bd party, eg... I gave that up after the disastrous 12th bd party, at which his friends (from school) ended up having a food fight... I vowed never again... although for his
    Good- or bad-natured food fight? To the
    cleaner-uppers that's not so relevant, but
    the context requires some context.
    I think it was intended to be good-natured, but it did get out of hand,
    and there were hurt feelings at the very least, to say nothing of the
    mess I ended up having to clean up...

    Your son helped, of course?

    Do you recall a story in which some long-lived
    people get together for a banquet in which one
    of the activities is throwing bread rolls at a
    picture of Isaac Asimov?

    Saffron buns
    categories: starch, fancy
    yield: 18

    3/4 c milk
    1/4 ts powdered saffron
    1/2 c shortening
    1/4 c sugar
    1 ts salt
    1 pk yeast
    1/4 c lukewarm water
    1 egg, beaten
    1/3 c dried currants
    1/4 c mixed candied fruit peel, chopped
    1 ts grated nutmeg (M says halve this)
    3 1/2 c flour, sifted, more as needed
    cooking oil
    1 egg white, beaten
    1 c confectioners' sugar
    2 Tb hot water

    Scald milk with saffron. In large bowl,
    combine milk mixture, shortening, sugar, and
    salt. Cool to lukewarm.

    Sprinkle yeast on water; stir until dissolved.
    Add to milk mixture with egg, currants, peel,
    nitmeg, and as much flour as can be stirred
    into dough.

    Place in greased bowl. Brush top with cooking
    oil. Cover with clean towel and let rise in
    warm place until doubled.

    Turn onto lightly floured surface. Knead 1 min
    and shape into 18 2" balls. Arrange in two
    greased 8" square pans. Brush with egg white
    and cover with a towel. Let rise in a warm place
    until doubled.

    Oven at 425F.

    Bake 25 min until done. Cool on wire rack; frost
    with a glaze of confectioners' sugar and water.

    Mayburn Koss, New York Times 4/5/1959
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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to MICHAEL LOO on Wednesday, June 06, 2018 10:50:00
    Quoting Michael Loo to Nancy Backus on 06-03-18 22:29 <=-

    Short-term gain is a big incentive for rolling out
    new products that really offer no advantage over what
    has been available already. Silpat sheets are okay,
    but they do nothing that greased or parchment-lined
    ordinary ones can't, plus they make a flatter product
    unless you put in too much flour.
    That sounds like a drawback to me... :) Unless one wants a flatter
    product, I suppose....
    Just another reason not to be into them.

    Indeed.

    I do admit that there are silicone products
    that make sense, though.

    Like some of the silicone cooking utensils....

    Dunno as I've seen them lately... I did see a package of the Nabisco
    ones recently.... oh, I bet there are some in the bulk department...
    get a handful of each for the picnic, maybe...?
    I've seen them mostly in ethnic stores, as
    Is that where you got the green tea version of KitKats...? I wonder if there are similar flavors of the sugar wafers...
    I forget where those Kit Kats came from, but I'd
    guess Asia someplace.

    I think you may be right... rings a quiet bell... they showed up at a
    Boyd Pond picnic...

    There's a balance - but sometimes circumstances
    change or luck just runs out. Two years ago there
    was a monster "once in a thousand years" flood in
    Ellicott City, just a few miles from the Shipps';
    Yes, I was in town for that one... in MD for a niece's wedding...
    Did the rain put a damper on those festivities?

    Not really... as all was planned for indoors... and the rain didn't
    really get started until near the end of the reception.... But I did
    have to drive in it across the Bay Bridge... which put a damper on
    me....

    a couple days ago there there was another "once in
    a thousand years" flood, said to be even worse.
    Somehow 2016-2018 hardly constitutes a millennium.
    I heard on the radio someone interviewed that had fixed up his store
    after the first one, thinking, well if this is a millennium flood, it's worth fixing up and starting over again... he indicated this has made
    him rethink that... but he didn't say whether or not he'd be fixing up
    again or not... I suppose one could consider this one the one in
    thousand years for the next millennium.... But I also suppose that one shouldn't count on it... ;)
    And some of us suspect that the one-in-a-thousand
    will start happening several times in a lifetime.

    Someone from church that used to live in/near Ellicott City was saying
    that a lot of the problem is all the new construction built up not
    taking into account the nearness to the river... apparently it just
    funnels the flood into the old city....

    Probably no and no, but it won't be my problem
    - I've done what I could to instill my version
    of good sense in him, and it has not worked at
    all: I've fulfilled my promise to my father
    the best I could, and it's Pontius Pilate time.
    I hear you... I'd tend to agree that you've fulfilled your promise...
    not much more you could do other than getting him declared incompetent
    and putting his share into a trust that doles out only what is needed,
    when needed...
    It's not up to me any more. I'm not a guardian,
    trustee, or even household member.

    And he's officially an adult, supposedly capable of fending for
    himself... I'd say you've done what you promised... :)

    Or dad's mother... the real power behind the throne... ;)
    But dad's mother is usually working. Have you
    not noticed that in mom-and-pops, it's generally
    Pop who hangs around doing next to nothing?
    I was thinking in particular of a little Asian restaurant in our neighborhood some years ago... Dad was the cook, Mom was the hostess/waitress (assisted, as they got old enough, by the little
    girls), but Dad's mom wandered around the place, keeping little ones in line... and, one noted from time to time, made decisions for the kitchen
    and elsewhere... they all worked pretty hard, but dad's mother was the
    one cracking the whip, so to speak... :)
    Pop sometimes is the cook, I'll admit, but quite
    often I've seen him just hanging around.

    I think that in the mom-and-pops around here, dad is usually the cook,
    and mom does everything else... at least until they get big enough to
    hire some help... Although, the Vietnamese place I was telling Ruth
    about, the cooks are two sisters, and they get the rest of the family
    helping with the front... there, I think I've seen pop just hanging
    around, but not sure... :)

    turning old... so 4 friends at his 4th bd party, eg... I gave that up after the disastrous 12th bd party, at which his friends (from school) ended up having a food fight... I vowed never again... although for his
    Good- or bad-natured food fight? To the
    cleaner-uppers that's not so relevant, but
    the context requires some context.
    I think it was intended to be good-natured, but it did get out of hand,
    and there were hurt feelings at the very least, to say nothing of the
    mess I ended up having to clean up...
    Your son helped, of course?

    It's a long time ago... but I don't really remember him helping, at
    least not much....

    Do you recall a story in which some long-lived
    people get together for a banquet in which one
    of the activities is throwing bread rolls at a
    picture of Isaac Asimov?

    Nope... interesting concept.... ;)

    ttyl neb

    ... Humor is just another defense against the universe.

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