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    From MICHAEL LOO@1:123/140 to NANCY BACKUS on Thursday, October 31, 2019 19:46:00
    True, but they had to be pretty ragtag orchestras.
    Not necessarily... Think of the Schubert or Mendelsohn soirees....
    No families involved there, unless you count a
    brother-sister piano duo, which doesn't apply to
    the issue at hand.
    My point being that musical families often had multiple good musicians
    at a time... and wouldn't have to be ragtag...

    You may be overestimating the talent pool as much as I'm
    underestimating it.

    Every time we figure things are getting better, something
    happens that dashes our hopes.
    My answers to this are skating on off-topic, so I'll desist... Should I take it to email...?
    Nope. Skating toward and falling over the edge are
    distinguishable to the cop at least.
    Ok, then... you may change your mind on that... :) I'd say that we
    should know better than to think things are actually getting better here
    on earth, given mankind's fallen nature...

    You're skating closer with the fallen part. Intrinsically
    imperfect would be an allowable characterization but wouldn't
    say quite the same thing. I think there may not be a
    permissible way of saying what you're aiming at.

    Adding protein sometimes has unexpected consequences,
    in dessert-making anyway.
    Or subtracting it, for that matter...
    Subtracting protein always has predictable consequences!
    It always fails in the same way....?

    Pretty much.

    I'm guessing that either they fly under the radar (being primarily only for personal use) or they manage to meet minimum standards....
    If it's personal use, that shouldn't come to anybody's
    attention, unless the kids come down with one of the -oses.
    Minimum standards, well, one hopes the regulators are better
    than in the days of filled milk and TB.
    They most likely are, but that doesn't mean that I'd necessarily be comfortable with the situation there... :)

    The disturbing image is of cow patties in your milk,
    which would be less of an actual health hazard.

    To give an out to the in-laws, there are varying levels of
    sanitation, not all of which are relevant to the wholesomeness
    of the commercial product. Indicative of an attitude, sure,
    but one kind of deficit doesn't mean another.
    Which I do recognize... but we didn't go out to the Archer farm to pick
    up raw milk... though I'd drink it on the farm if offered when I was visiting... But that's kinda what I was referring to above with their
    meeting minimum standards, so not falling afoul of the authorities...
    And that farm wasn't the one I was particularly thinking about before, either... but another one up in the North Country, where, if they met
    minimal standards, those standards were very minimal....but that one
    might in fact have been only personal use....

    In that latter case, was your assesment as a result of
    drive-by smelling?

    As in the households I've been part of, visual clutter did not
    mean bad smells or other sign of possible hazard.
    Which I find a little different from dairy farms... :)

    Though I've tripped over my brother's detritus, so there
    is a potential hazard.

    Ghoulash
    categories: holiday, stews, main
    servings: 8

    1 lb hamburger (I use 96/4)
    8 oz lbow macaroni, cooked and drained
    1 lg onion, chopped
    sliced mushrooms (canned or fresh, I prefer canned)
    28 oz can petite diced tomatoes
    16 oz can tomato sauce
    6 oz can tomato paste
    1 pn garlic
    1 pn salt
    1 pn pepper

    Brown meat, onions, salt, pepper, garlic and mushrooms,
    drain if needed, set aside.

    Boil macaroni, drain set aside.

    In a large oven safe bowl combine ALL above ingredients,
    mix thoroughly. Cover with aluminum foil, bake at 350F
    30 to 40 min, Take the dish out of oven, remove cover,
    stir once, put the dish back in the oven uncovered for
    5 to 10 min to create a goldnish crust on top. Let
    stand for at least 15 min.

    beetle28 at food.com
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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to MICHAEL LOO on Tuesday, November 05, 2019 21:39:00
    Quoting Michael Loo to Nancy Backus on 10-31-19 18:45 <=-

    True, but they had to be pretty ragtag orchestras.
    Not necessarily... Think of the Schubert or Mendelsohn soirees....
    No families involved there, unless you count a
    brother-sister piano duo, which doesn't apply to
    the issue at hand.
    My point being that musical families often had multiple good musicians
    at a time... and wouldn't have to be ragtag...
    You may be overestimating the talent pool as much as I'm
    underestimating it.

    Possible... :)

    Every time we figure things are getting better, something
    happens that dashes our hopes.
    My answers to this are skating on off-topic, so I'll desist... Should I take it to email...?
    Nope. Skating toward and falling over the edge are
    distinguishable to the cop at least.
    Ok, then... you may change your mind on that... :) I'd say that we
    should know better than to think things are actually getting better here
    on earth, given mankind's fallen nature...
    You're skating closer with the fallen part. Intrinsically
    imperfect would be an allowable characterization but wouldn't
    say quite the same thing. I think there may not be a
    permissible way of saying what you're aiming at.

    That was precisely what I was figuring.... :)

    I'm guessing that either they fly under the radar (being primarily
    only for personal use) or they manage to meet minimum standards....
    If it's personal use, that shouldn't come to anybody's
    attention, unless the kids come down with one of the -oses.
    Minimum standards, well, one hopes the regulators are better
    than in the days of filled milk and TB.
    They most likely are, but that doesn't mean that I'd necessarily be comfortable with the situation there... :)
    The disturbing image is of cow patties in your milk,
    which would be less of an actual health hazard.

    I don't think that would be the case there.... but I have observed other indicators of general slovenliness at that farm (and at other properties
    owned by the same people)....

    To give an out to the in-laws, there are varying levels of
    sanitation, not all of which are relevant to the wholesomeness
    of the commercial product. Indicative of an attitude, sure,
    but one kind of deficit doesn't mean another.
    Which I do recognize... but we didn't go out to the Archer farm to pick
    up raw milk... though I'd drink it on the farm if offered when I was visiting... But that's kinda what I was referring to above with their meeting minimum standards, so not falling afoul of the authorities...
    And that farm wasn't the one I was particularly thinking about before, either... but another one up in the North Country, where, if they met minimal standards, those standards were very minimal....but that one
    might in fact have been only personal use....
    In that latter case, was your assesment as a result of
    drive-by smelling?

    No... I think I may have been close to that farm only once if that...

    As in the households I've been part of, visual clutter did not
    mean bad smells or other sign of possible hazard.
    Which I find a little different from dairy farms... :)
    Though I've tripped over my brother's detritus, so there
    is a potential hazard.

    Various sorts of hazard....

    ttyl neb

    ... Imagination -- intelligence in recreation mode.

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