Quoting Michael Loo to Nancy Backus on 09-03-19 16:50 <=-

Continuing from the Pond, 8 Sept... around 9:45pm...

demarcate the swimming areas. Troublesome bastards, and if
there had been firearms on the premises I'd be in jail now.

Just as well there hadn't been, then... Doesn't the camp have any recourse legally...?

None, zero, nada. If some joyrider took off a kid's
arm, there would be liability, but short of that, no.
Nuisance, noise pollution, and wakes swamping swimmers
and canoes, one has to tolerate all.

A shame indeed...

Freedom includes the freedom to be an inconsiderate jerk,
up to the limits that society sets, and clearly society
hasn't been hard enough on motorboat operators.

Indeed, and also quite clearly....

If people could think beyond their personal comfort
a bit, inroads might be made in these issues as well.
Many of my friends, even the liberal ones, see nothing
wrong with keeping their lights ablaze all waking hours,
running the dishwasher daily even if it's nowhere near
full, driving a quarter mile to the store. Even if it's
a Prius, there is adverse environmental effect.

Lots of factors... Best we can hope for is for more and more people to
make small changes in how they do things, towards the larger goal...
Some things seem like no brainers to us, we probably miss some things
that seem like no brainers to other people... :)

I try to make up for my indulgences by self-control
elsewhere. Problem is that all signs are pointing to the
situation becoming critical faster than anyone ever thought.

Could be... If everyone tried to make up in some way for whatever
indulgences, perhaps that would be more likely somewhat mitigated, but
hard to tell, now...

I've seen pictures of the mediaeval ones.... and for a while had the opportunity of playing on a fairly simple organ, a Hook and Hook one-manual tracker organ that some of us at our church had helped an organ builder rebuild... Even that was impressive testimony as to how even a simple organ could do very much more than one would have thought.... ;)

In the long run, an organ was cheaper and easier to
maintain than an instrumental ensemble!

True... and besides, if one did have the instrumental ensemble as well, could blend well with that as well... :)

I suspect that, as in houses of worship today, the
instrumental ensembles were for special occasions,
except maybe in the more wealthy and prestigious venues.

Depending on what sort of available talent might be at hand...
especially that willing to volunteer.... :)

complained, and so I unwrapped my own headset and
plugged it into my jack, and it was fine. so then I got
the flight attendant involved, who figured it out
immediately.

Good for the flight attendant... but that probably isn't a particularly uncommon occurance, sad to say... :)

That's likely, and many of the staff are less
addled than the passengers.

One would hope... ;)

They're there primarily for our safety, after all.

True, even it usually viewed as being there for conveniemce and
comfort... ;)

I know you must have posted this with the hope of
generating interest and conversation. Hah, fooled you.

Hey... at least Weller picked up on it... as did you... (G)

Not much gabworthiness got out of it, though.

A little more than I was expecting, to be honest... ;) But they did catch my eye when I was going through the magazine, and I thought possibly
others might also find them mildly interesting... :)

If not stomach-turning.

Ok, I'll admit... the vegan sausage was meant a bit as a chain-yank... ;)

And let me also point out here that lists of
ingredients and production steps, i.e., what we
generally think of as recipes, are not protected
by copyright absent substantial creative content.
Most copyright notices that you see attached to
recipes are bogus and are the only identifying
data that I tend to remove.

I suspect that anything that would be substantially creative might be
being kept as a trade secret by the chef, anyway... :)

Not what they mean by creativity, I think. They imagine
that their prose is timeless and worth more than others'
timeless prose, which generally is false and insofar as
it's in a recipe, uncopyrightable, except maybe for the
backstory, such as how the person's grandmother in Alsace
used to do it, and as long as the story part is excised,
that's not subject to copyright either. Odd thing is that
three persons named Marty account for over 50% of my
disagreeablenesses in all the echos forever, all, I seem
to recall, regarding their overzealous and overreaching
notions of creative content and intellectual property.

Thankfully now safely in your past, it appears....?

I wasn't aware the quorn manufacturers claimed vegan
status for their products. They contain egg ingredients
(used to be based on them as well as the mycorrhyzae)
and are produced in facilities that use eggs and possibly
dairy.

So, it would be vegetarian (lacto-ovo anyway), just not vegan...
perhaps someone just got confused there...

I looked it up - turns out that the Quorn people devised a
special vegan recipe for Gregg's. Quorn itself is not vegan,
though the company's publicity claims it is edging in that
direction.

Ah... So it wasn't a stretch of the truth, after all....

ttyl neb

... Instant gratification takes too long.

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