• 898 loreyers was picn

    From MICHAEL LOO@1:123/140 to NANCY BACKUS on Monday, September 02, 2019 12:39:12
    I know there was certainly full fat powdered milk decades ago, as I used to buy it on occasion... had to store it in the fridge, though, as I recall... the advances in stabilization and vacuum packaging probably
    have indeed made it more attractive.... :)
    Why anyone would countenance the taste of nonfat dry milk
    whether reconstituted or not is beyond me, except in cases
    of imminent starvation.
    Having been forced to drink it as a child, I only used it as a
    fortifying and/or called-for ingredient in cooking and baking... I found

    I read horrifying and uncalled-for. Despite having had
    bellyaches from milk from an early age, it was the
    mandated drink of choice, and when my family was in
    straitened circumstances, my mother experimented with
    nonfat dry milk, which I refused to ingest when liquid
    (I'd occasionally nibble on it, MSG, cinnamon, and other
    concentrated weirdnesses, though).

    the taste unacceptable... but had no choice growing up... At least we
    cut the "funny milk" with a quart of whole milk to the gallon container,
    so the taste was not quite so nasty as it could have been... (and with
    the whole milk in the house, I could sneak a little from time to time...)

    Some of us were just too stubborn.

    pronounce cho pho use?" and the answer supposedly, no,
    silly, chophouse! Which is bogus of course. You pronounce
    cho pho use cho pho use.
    It certainly could make a difference which language one is reading that in... ;)
    I maintain that if you encountered the phrase in an
    English sentence, it'd still be cho pho use.
    And not an exercise in deleting bogus spaces... ;) Reminds me of an
    exercise Daddy pulled on us as kids... How do you pronounce I-S-L-E?
    "ile" How do you pronounce A-I-S-L-E? "ile" How do you pronounce M-I-S-L-E-D? "mild" Nope, you were mis-led... My one sister came up
    with "m-eye-suld"...

    Of course, isled does rhyme with mild. I also knew someone
    who in her childhood read it as myzelled, to the cruel mirth
    of her older sister.

    P.S. I just found a basically empty can of whipped cream
    in the fridge, so I did the sensible thing and huffed it. Disappointment - the high lasted an even shorter time than
    normal and was of very low quality (more like half a beer
    than the expected minute-long trip down the rabbit hole).
    The main effect was that it made my lungs hurt.
    Oops.... probably had already used up most of its propellent....
    What inspired me to do the experiment was that the
    product was all gone, but there was still propellant.
    So, defective propellant...? or just not sufficient after all...?

    I don't know - perhaps I'll buy a can of whipped cream
    sometime to do the experiment.

    What I'd do, of course, would be to render it out and
    use it for cooking, saving the cracklings for my best
    friends or customers and me.
    Another excellent way to utilize it... :) Our 4th Sunday group is
    going there tomorrow... I might have a chance to ask... although I might consider the squick factor of others in the group before I do... ;)
    Remember, my dear, it's in the name of science.
    So I did get a chance to talk to one of the ladies there (one of the
    older ones, not the young one that served our picnic group), away from
    the assembled group, as we were about to leave... Not sure what she was thinking of my question, but she assured me that they wouldn't eat the
    raw fat on its own... Maybe they've become too Americanized
    themselves... ;)

    Heh. I hope you prefaced the discussion by something
    like I read someplace that ... - rather than risking
    giving her the impression that you thought her some
    kind of insane savage.

    Though we all (most of us anyway) preach toleration,
    it appears that the toleration level is way down.
    "You need to tolerate me, but what you do I can't tolerate"

    There's a lot of that, with a large dose of do as
    I say, not as I do.

    True.... the sit-down meal for a crowd our size though was a larger operation than just getting something less elaborate out, though...
    I wonder if the effort to enjoyment ratio is different
    for a big roast beast feast than a meal of small plates.
    Probably partially depends on the major basis/purpose for the
    gathering... and how many are involved in the effort...

    True enough, though my preference is to have one person
    involved in the effort.

    Gravy
    cat: gravy
    servings: 12

    wingtips, neck, gizzard of turkey
    salted water
    3 oz butter
    liver and heart of turkey
    - cut into about 2 g pieces
    3 oz flour
    3 c stock
    4 oz dry red wine
    Gravy Master or Kitchen Bouquet or the equivalent
    s & p

    We used Barbara Kafka's high-temperature method of doing turkey, so
    the drippings were burned; we had to improvise a bit for gravy.

    Cook the turkey trimmings for a long time in salted water. When the
    gizzard is tender, remove and cool it. Keep cooking the other parts.

    Melt the butter in a saucepan. Toss the liver and heart pieces in
    briefly. Fish them out and set them aside. Toss the flour in the
    butter and whisk well.

    Chop the boiled gizzard, tossing any over-gelatinous or gross-looking
    pieces.

    Add the hot stock (discard the wingtips and neck) and red wine.
    Whisk well and cook until thickened.

    Say, the wine made this look disgusting! Let's toss in some
    Gravy Master.

    Season with s & p. Just before serving, add the liver and
    heart pieces and the chopped gizzard.

    Source: moi, Thanksgiving 1996
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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to MICHAEL LOO on Sunday, September 08, 2019 20:16:00
    Quoting Michael Loo to Nancy Backus on 09-02-19 12:39 <=-

    Continuing from the Pond...

    I know there was certainly full fat powdered milk decades ago, as I used to buy it on occasion... had to store it in the fridge, though, as I recall... the advances in stabilization and vacuum packaging probably have indeed made it more attractive.... :)
    Why anyone would countenance the taste of nonfat dry milk
    whether reconstituted or not is beyond me, except in cases
    of imminent starvation.
    Having been forced to drink it as a child, I only used it as a
    fortifying and/or called-for ingredient in cooking and baking... I found
    I read horrifying and uncalled-for.

    For drinking, I found it so, but not so much for cooking/baking... :)

    Despite having had bellyaches from milk from an early
    age, it was the mandated drink of choice, and when my
    family was in straitened circumstances, my mother
    experimented with nonfat dry milk, which I refused to
    ingest when liquid (I'd occasionally nibble on it, MSG,
    cinnamon, and other concentrated weirdnesses, though).

    Thankfully, I never had issues with drinking milk, and still don't.. my
    parents also went to powdered milk as a cost-cutting measure... and for
    some of my siblings it was perfectly satisfactory (and they still use
    the stuff)... But had I refused to drink it back then, I knew I
    couldn't get away with it... not sure what any alternative would have
    been back then...

    the taste unacceptable... but had no choice growing up... At least we
    cut the "funny milk" with a quart of whole milk to the gallon container,
    so the taste was not quite so nasty as it could have been... (and with
    the whole milk in the house, I could sneak a little from time to time...)
    Some of us were just too stubborn.

    And showed it in various ways.... ;)

    I maintain that if you encountered the phrase in an
    English sentence, it'd still be cho pho use.
    And not an exercise in deleting bogus spaces... ;) Reminds me of an exercise Daddy pulled on us as kids... How do you pronounce I-S-L-E?
    "ile" How do you pronounce A-I-S-L-E? "ile" How do you pronounce M-I-S-L-E-D? "mild" Nope, you were mis-led... My one sister came up
    with "m-eye-suld"...
    Of course, isled does rhyme with mild. I also knew someone
    who in her childhood read it as myzelled, to the cruel mirth
    of her older sister.

    We just picked up the wrong pronunciation as a family in-joke... to this
    day it's occasionally said that way in fun in our family....

    P.S. I just found a basically empty can of whipped cream
    in the fridge, so I did the sensible thing and huffed it. Disappointment - the high lasted an even shorter time than
    normal and was of very low quality (more like half a beer
    than the expected minute-long trip down the rabbit hole).
    The main effect was that it made my lungs hurt.
    Oops.... probably had already used up most of its propellent....
    What inspired me to do the experiment was that the
    product was all gone, but there was still propellant.
    So, defective propellant...? or just not sufficient after all...?
    I don't know - perhaps I'll buy a can of whipped cream
    sometime to do the experiment.

    Maybe the propellant has changed over the years...? Or your lungs are
    more sensitive now...?

    What I'd do, of course, would be to render it out and
    use it for cooking, saving the cracklings for my best
    friends or customers and me.
    Another excellent way to utilize it... :) Our 4th Sunday group is
    going there tomorrow... I might have a chance to ask... although I might consider the squick factor of others in the group before I do... ;)
    Remember, my dear, it's in the name of science.
    So I did get a chance to talk to one of the ladies there (one of the
    older ones, not the young one that served our picnic group), away from
    the assembled group, as we were about to leave... Not sure what she was thinking of my question, but she assured me that they wouldn't eat the
    raw fat on its own... Maybe they've become too Americanized
    themselves... ;)
    Heh. I hope you prefaced the discussion by something
    like I read someplace that ... - rather than risking
    giving her the impression that you thought her some
    kind of insane savage.

    Oh, yes... and I think I also said that I'd have no problem myself
    eating the raw fat... she probably thought me the insane savage... (G)

    Though we all (most of us anyway) preach toleration,
    it appears that the toleration level is way down.
    "You need to tolerate me, but what you do I can't tolerate"
    There's a lot of that, with a large dose of do as
    I say, not as I do.

    Indeed.

    True.... the sit-down meal for a crowd our size though was a larger operation than just getting something less elaborate out, though...
    I wonder if the effort to enjoyment ratio is different
    for a big roast beast feast than a meal of small plates.
    Probably partially depends on the major basis/purpose for the
    gathering... and how many are involved in the effort...
    True enough, though my preference is to have one person
    involved in the effort.

    Our extended family meals tend to be joint efforts... my siblings, with
    their larger families, often also are joint efforts, even within just
    their own family...

    ttyl neb

    ... I'm not nearly as think as you confused I am.

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