• Re: Camping was: 253 pic

    From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to RUTH HAFFLY on Saturday, August 24, 2019 18:54:00
    Quoting Ruth Haffly to Nancy Backus on 08-17-19 17:41 <=-

    along the way, but rarely ate at a restaurant (Daddy did discover 10
    cent hamburgers which we ate in the car) or stopped at a motel...

    We usually had sandwiches for lunch but one time Mom and Dad had the
    (not so) bright idea of using Carnation Instant Breakfast since their
    ads indicated it had all the nutrition of a bacon and eggs type meal. Nutrition may have been there but it did not fill anybody up; we had
    to have something else about an hour later. Suppers were usually same
    as home but subbing instant potatoes for real ones. For breakfast, they bought the asssortment of mini boxes of cereals but we had to have the requisite (in their opinion) bread, milk and orange juice (Tang for camping trips) also. IOW, ate about the same as we did at home.

    Mommy would pack stuff for us to eat in the car... celery and carrot
    sticks, maybe sandwiches and certainly bread, pretzels, fruit like
    grapes or apples that wouldn't be too messy... Daddy would buy those
    little cereal boxes for the trip, the only time we'd get those... we'd
    be fed more like at home when we'd stop at some relative's house...

    I was talking about our camping at a campground as an extended
    family... my parents, my siblings and I, and our assorted kids
    and spouses...
    Helps that most of your family is concentrated in one area. Steve
    and I have been the furthest away from the rest of the family
    most of the time. One of Steve's brothers was in CA for a few
    years but came back and settled near the rest of the family. I
    have a sister in AZ but she moved there in the mid 90s; we lived
    in NC before the rest of the family moved anywhere else.
    We aren't really all that concentrated... especially in the
    younger generation now... Next year the camping will be at
    Virginia Beach again, in the hopes of getting more of the
    southern contingent... and we've family as far away as CA and TX
    etc now... most of Tait's kids aren't close at all... We just
    figure that we'll try to get as many as possible, and hope that
    more will make a special effort... :)

    Still more of your family in one area than ours, given the size of
    both.

    I'm not convinced, but I doubt I'd convince you.... ;)

    that first year, Lydia and I scouted out locations beforehand,
    along with possible nearby restaurants where we could hold a
    celebratory meal...
    Did you find such a place?
    Yes, a nice somewhat rustic place called Antlers Inn... only a few
    miles from the campgrounds... reasonably priced, decent food...
    had a nice buffet along with a more extensive menu... and they were
    happy to help us celebrate the anniversary... :) The place burned
    down later, and then was rebuilt, so I think still exists... :)

    Sounds like a place to check out some time.

    If we ever camp again in the area, I'm sure we would check it out
    again... it's on Rt 6 just east of Gaines PA... We'd often go there for
    a Sunday dinner when we were camping at Kenshire...

    The main idea was to have a week or so in order to visit and
    spend time together rather than the always madhouse that a
    one-day Christmas get-together always is... :) And another
    opportunity for the next generation cousins to play together
    and get to know each other... ;) And now we are into the NEXT
    generation cousins... ;) And Mommy and Daddy are both gone...
    But the camping tradition continues. Both of our girls have taken
    their kids camping.
    Various of my siblings and their kids take the camping trips on
    their own, too... they're the ones that have tents for the Elder
    camping... :)

    Rachel used tents I think once, then they rented cabins. Deborah uses tents or cabins, depends on where they go, when.

    I've always rented either a trailer or a cabin, depending on the
    campground... now that we're all getting older, some of my siblings are
    also renting cabins...

    ttyl neb

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to NANCY BACKUS on Sunday, August 25, 2019 20:00:06
    Hi Nancy,


    We usually had sandwiches for lunch but one time Mom and Dad had the
    (not so) bright idea of using Carnation Instant Breakfast since their
    ads indicated it had all the nutrition of a bacon and eggs type meal. Nutrition may have been there but it did not fill anybody up; we had
    to have something else about an hour later. Suppers were usually same
    as home but subbing instant potatoes for real ones. For breakfast, they bought the asssortment of mini boxes of cereals but we had to have the requisite (in their opinion) bread, milk and orange juice (Tang for camping trips) also. IOW, ate about the same as we did at home.

    Mommy would pack stuff for us to eat in the car... celery and carrot sticks, maybe sandwiches and certainly bread, pretzels, fruit like
    grapes or apples that wouldn't be too messy... Daddy would buy those

    We had no nibbles in the car, same as at home--no eating between meals. Sometimes that rule was lifted.......if we had an over abundance of
    apples, we could have one as an after school snack. That was more the
    exception than the rule however.

    little cereal boxes for the trip, the only time we'd get those... we'd
    be fed more like at home when we'd stop at some relative's house...

    We were fed better than at home when we stopped at Dad's sister. Mostly
    tho our camping trips didn't involve a stay at a relative's house except
    maybe the first night. That, of course, depended on where we went. If it
    was other than NJ (mom's mother) or western NY (dad's sister), we were
    on our own.

    younger generation now... Next year the camping will be at
    Virginia Beach again, in the hopes of getting more of the
    southern contingent... and we've family as far away as CA and TX
    etc now... most of Tait's kids aren't close at all... We just
    figure that we'll try to get as many as possible, and hope that
    more will make a special effort... :)

    Still more of your family in one area than ours, given the size of
    both.

    I'm not convinced, but I doubt I'd convince you.... ;)

    We could discuss it later.

    that first year, Lydia and I scouted out locations beforehand,
    along with possible nearby restaurants where we could hold a
    celebratory meal...
    Did you find such a place?
    Yes, a nice somewhat rustic place called Antlers Inn... only a
    few NB>> miles from the campgrounds... reasonably priced, decent
    food...
    had a nice buffet along with a more extensive menu... and they
    were NB>> happy to help us celebrate the anniversary... :) The place burned NB>> down later, and then was rebuilt, so I think still
    exists... :)

    Sounds like a place to check out some time.

    If we ever camp again in the area, I'm sure we would check it out
    again... it's on Rt 6 just east of Gaines PA... We'd often go there
    for a Sunday dinner when we were camping at Kenshire...

    Doesn't ring any bells, what other towns is it near?

    The main idea was to have a week or so in order to visit and
    spend time together rather than the always madhouse that a
    one-day Christmas get-together always is... :) And another
    opportunity for the next generation cousins to play together
    and get to know each other... ;) And now we are into the NEXT
    generation cousins... ;) And Mommy and Daddy are both gone...
    But the camping tradition continues. Both of our girls have
    taken RH>> their kids camping.
    Various of my siblings and their kids take the camping trips on
    their own, too... they're the ones that have tents for the Elder
    camping... :)

    Rachel used tents I think once, then they rented cabins. Deborah uses tents or cabins, depends on where they go, when.

    I've always rented either a trailer or a cabin, depending on the campground... now that we're all getting older, some of my siblings
    are also renting cabins...

    The camper is nice too. Sleeping on the ground isn't bad but getting up
    is more of a pain as we age. The camper lets us have all the comforts of
    our bed back home. (G)


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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to RUTH HAFFLY on Saturday, August 31, 2019 13:12:00
    Quoting Ruth Haffly to Nancy Backus on 08-25-19 20:00 <=-

    to have something else about an hour later. Suppers were
    usually same as home but subbing instant potatoes for real
    ones. For breakfast, they bought the asssortment of mini
    boxes of cereals but we had to have the requisite (in their
    opinion) bread, milk and orange juice (Tang for camping trips)
    also. IOW, ate about the same as we did at home.
    Mommy would pack stuff for us to eat in the car... celery and
    carrot sticks, maybe sandwiches and certainly bread, pretzels,
    fruit like grapes or apples that wouldn't be too messy... Daddy
    would buy those little cereal boxes for the trip, the only time
    we'd get those...

    We had no nibbles in the car, same as at home--no eating between
    meals.

    Obviously somewhat different parental mindsets... The "nibbles" in the
    car were in lieu of whatever meal, and usually doled out by Mommy as we went.... Part of their thinking was that the salt on the pretzels would
    help minimize the need to make potty stops... and the fruit and veggies
    to keep from getting dehydrated. Bread, especially raisin bread, was a
    typical eat in the car on Sunday on the way to church breakfast anyway,
    so an obvious trip bringalong... :)

    Sometimes that rule was lifted.......if we had an over abundance
    of apples, we could have one as an after school snack. That was more
    the exception than the rule however.

    There were a few things that were designated as after-school snacks...
    not enough to ruin the appetite for supper, but enough to keep us until
    supper was on the table...

    we'd be fed more like at home when we'd stop at some relative's
    house...

    We were fed better than at home when we stopped at Dad's sister.
    Mostly tho our camping trips didn't involve a stay at a relative's
    house except maybe the first night. That, of course, depended on where
    we went. If it was other than NJ (mom's mother) or western NY (dad's sister), we were on our own.

    As we've noted, different styles of traveling, too... ;)

    that first year, Lydia and I scouted out locations beforehand,
    along with possible nearby restaurants where we could hold a
    celebratory meal...
    Did you find such a place?
    Yes, a nice somewhat rustic place called Antlers Inn... only a
    few miles from the campgrounds... reasonably priced, decent
    food... had a nice buffet along with a more extensive menu...
    and they were happy to help us celebrate the anniversary... :)
    The place burned down later, and then was rebuilt, so I think
    still exists... :)
    Sounds like a place to check out some time.
    If we ever camp again in the area, I'm sure we would check it
    out again... it's on Rt 6 just east of Gaines PA... We'd often
    go there for a Sunday dinner when we were camping at Kenshire...

    Doesn't ring any bells, what other towns is it near?

    Closest big town is Wellsboro, to the east... We'd go west a few miles
    to Galeton to get groceries... If one went further east from Wellsboro
    on Rt 6, you'd get to Mansfield (on Rt 15)...

    But the camping tradition continues. Both of our girls have
    taken their kids camping.
    Various of my siblings and their kids take the camping trips on
    their own, too... they're the ones that have tents for the Elder
    camping... :)
    Rachel used tents I think once, then they rented cabins. Deborah
    uses tents or cabins, depends on where they go, when.
    I've always rented either a trailer or a cabin, depending on the
    campground... now that we're all getting older, some of my
    siblings are also renting cabins...

    The camper is nice too. Sleeping on the ground isn't bad but getting
    up is more of a pain as we age. The camper lets us have all the
    comforts of our bed back home. (G)

    Which indeed become increasingly important as time goes along... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to NANCY BACKUS on Sunday, September 01, 2019 20:18:16
    Hi Nancy,

    Mommy would pack stuff for us to eat in the car... celery and
    carrot sticks, maybe sandwiches and certainly bread, pretzels,
    fruit like grapes or apples that wouldn't be too messy... Daddy
    would buy those little cereal boxes for the trip, the only time
    we'd get those...

    We had no nibbles in the car, same as at home--no eating between
    meals.

    Obviously somewhat different parental mindsets... The "nibbles" in the
    car were in lieu of whatever meal, and usually doled out by Mommy as

    Dad had to have his 3 meals a day.

    we went.... Part of their thinking was that the salt on the pretzels
    would help minimize the need to make potty stops... and the fruit and veggies to keep from getting dehydrated. Bread, especially raisin
    bread, was a typical eat in the car on Sunday on the way to church breakfast anyway, so an obvious trip bringalong... :)

    My dad didn't like raisins so we very rarely saw raisin bread. Probably
    only if some was given to us--and he'd not eat any. I used to pack fruit
    and veggie nibbles, plus granola type bars for snacking on our
    trips--have changed up the mix somewhat but still do pack munchies.

    Sometimes that rule was lifted.......if we had an over abundance
    of apples, we could have one as an after school snack. That was more
    the exception than the rule however.

    There were a few things that were designated as after-school snacks...
    not enough to ruin the appetite for supper, but enough to keep us
    until supper was on the table...

    we'd be fed more like at home when we'd stop at some relative's
    house...

    We were fed better than at home when we stopped at Dad's sister.
    Mostly tho our camping trips didn't involve a stay at a relative's
    house except maybe the first night. That, of course, depended on where
    we went. If it was other than NJ (mom's mother) or western NY (dad's sister), we were on our own.

    As we've noted, different styles of traveling, too... ;)

    Yes, both then and now.

    Yes, a nice somewhat rustic place called Antlers Inn... only a
    few miles from the campgrounds... reasonably priced, decent
    food... had a nice buffet along with a more extensive menu...
    and they were happy to help us celebrate the anniversary... :)
    The place burned down later, and then was rebuilt, so I think
    still exists... :)
    Sounds like a place to check out some time.
    If we ever camp again in the area, I'm sure we would check it
    out again... it's on Rt 6 just east of Gaines PA... We'd often
    go there for a Sunday dinner when we were camping at Kenshire...

    Doesn't ring any bells, what other towns is it near?

    Closest big town is Wellsboro, to the east... We'd go west a few miles
    to Galeton to get groceries... If one went further east from Wellsboro
    on Rt 6, you'd get to Mansfield (on Rt 15)...

    OK, I recognise Mansfield.

    But the camping tradition continues. Both of our girls have
    taken their kids camping.
    Various of my siblings and their kids take the camping trips on
    their own, too... they're the ones that have tents for the
    Elder NB>>> camping... :)
    Rachel used tents I think once, then they rented cabins. Deborah
    uses tents or cabins, depends on where they go, when.
    I've always rented either a trailer or a cabin, depending on the
    campground... now that we're all getting older, some of my
    siblings are also renting cabins...

    The camper is nice too. Sleeping on the ground isn't bad but getting
    up is more of a pain as we age. The camper lets us have all the
    comforts of our bed back home. (G)

    Which indeed become increasingly important as time goes along... ;)

    Very much so as I've noticed in the various stages of the knee problems.


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    Ruth
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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to RUTH HAFFLY on Thursday, September 05, 2019 21:19:00
    Quoting Ruth Haffly to Nancy Backus on 09-01-19 20:18 <=-

    Mommy would pack stuff for us to eat in the car... celery and
    carrot sticks, maybe sandwiches and certainly bread, pretzels,
    fruit like grapes or apples that wouldn't be too messy... Daddy
    would buy those little cereal boxes for the trip, the only time
    we'd get those...
    We had no nibbles in the car, same as at home--no eating between
    meals.
    Obviously somewhat different parental mindsets... The "nibbles"
    in the car were in lieu of whatever meal,

    Dad had to have his 3 meals a day.

    Daddy liked regular meals, too, but was obviously more flexible than
    your dad... :) I suspect that his mother had car snacks/meals for the
    long car trips she took with her boys, up and down the coasts, following granddad's ship. to meet up with him in the ports... :)

    and usually doled out by Mommy as we went.... Part of their
    thinking was that the salt on the pretzels would help minimize the
    need to make potty stops... and the fruit and veggies to keep from
    getting dehydrated. Bread, especially raisin bread, was a typical
    eat in the car on Sunday on the way to church breakfast anyway, so
    an obvious trip bringalong... :)

    My dad didn't like raisins so we very rarely saw raisin bread.
    Probably only if some was given to us--and he'd not eat any.

    The alternative for us on car trips was pumpernickle bread... ;)

    I used to pack fruit and veggie nibbles, plus granola type bars
    for snacking on our trips--have changed up the mix somewhat but
    still do pack munchies.

    I'd rather have something to nibble on in the car than stop for a meal,
    so for me I pack cheese, fruit (like grapes or cherries or berries), and
    maybe Wegmans mini muffins or Nutra-grain bars... and the flavored water
    to sip on... :)

    Yes, a nice somewhat rustic place called Antlers Inn... only a
    (snip)
    Sounds like a place to check out some time.
    If we ever camp again in the area, I'm sure we would check it
    out again... it's on Rt 6 just east of Gaines PA... We'd often
    go there for a Sunday dinner when we were camping at Kenshire...
    Doesn't ring any bells, what other towns is it near?
    Closest big town is Wellsboro, to the east... We'd go west a few
    miles to Galeton to get groceries... If one went further east
    from Wellsboro on Rt 6, you'd get to Mansfield (on Rt 15)...

    OK, I recognise Mansfield.

    I figured you should at least recognise that, from traveling on Rt 15...

    I've always rented either a trailer or a cabin, depending on
    the campground... now that we're all getting older, some of my
    siblings are also renting cabins...
    The camper is nice too. Sleeping on the ground isn't bad but
    getting up is more of a pain as we age. The camper lets us have
    all the comforts of our bed back home. (G)
    Which indeed become increasingly important as time goes along... ;)

    Very much so as I've noticed in the various stages of the knee
    problems.

    Those would make it even more obviously obvious... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to NANCY BACKUS on Friday, September 06, 2019 14:23:51
    Hi Nancy,

    Mommy would pack stuff for us to eat in the car... celery and
    carrot sticks, maybe sandwiches and certainly bread, pretzels,
    fruit like grapes or apples that wouldn't be too messy... Daddy

    We had no nibbles in the car, same as at home--no eating between
    meals.
    Obviously somewhat different parental mindsets... The "nibbles"
    in the car were in lieu of whatever meal,

    Dad had to have his 3 meals a day.

    Daddy liked regular meals, too, but was obviously more flexible than
    your dad... :) I suspect that his mother had car snacks/meals for
    the long car trips she took with her boys, up and down the coasts, following granddad's ship. to meet up with him in the ports... :)

    Sounds like a logical presumption. My dad wasn't raised like that; I
    think he/his parents did very little travelling, especially when he was
    young. WWII changed that for Dad--he enlisted in the Navy and saw quite
    a bit of the Pacific. Reserves, after the war, brought him to South
    America and our being stationed in Germany gave him a chance to see a
    small bit of Europe.

    the NB>> need to make potty stops... and the fruit and veggies to
    keep from NB>> getting dehydrated. Bread, especially raisin bread,
    was a typical NB>> eat in the car on Sunday on the way to church breakfast anyway, so NB>> an obvious trip bringalong... :)

    My dad didn't like raisins so we very rarely saw raisin bread.
    Probably only if some was given to us--and he'd not eat any.

    The alternative for us on car trips was pumpernickle bread... ;)

    Sounds good. We were raised on store bought, white sandwich bread. A
    piece in the morning to suppliment whatever cereal we had, school
    lunches and sometimes for supper as well. If Mom had made "chili" or
    beef stew, it was always served on bread as a way to stretch it out.

    I used to pack fruit and veggie nibbles, plus granola type bars
    for snacking on our trips--have changed up the mix somewhat but
    still do pack munchies.

    I'd rather have something to nibble on in the car than stop for a
    meal, so for me I pack cheese, fruit (like grapes or cherries or
    berries), and maybe Wegmans mini muffins or Nutra-grain bars... and
    the flavored water to sip on... :)

    We've packed bars, nuts, fruits, etc plus flavored water. Now, when we
    tow the camper, we've got a wider variety of nibbles available. (G)

    Yes, a nice somewhat rustic place called Antlers Inn... only a
    (snip)
    Sounds like a place to check out some time.
    If we ever camp again in the area, I'm sure we would check it
    out again... it's on Rt 6 just east of Gaines PA... We'd often
    go there for a Sunday dinner when we were camping at
    Kenshire... RH>> Doesn't ring any bells, what other towns is it near?
    Closest big town is Wellsboro, to the east... We'd go west a few
    miles to Galeton to get groceries... If one went further east
    from Wellsboro on Rt 6, you'd get to Mansfield (on Rt 15)...

    OK, I recognise Mansfield.

    I figured you should at least recognise that, from traveling on Rt
    15...

    Done that road quite a number of times over the years, especially since
    moving to the east coast from HI.

    I've always rented either a trailer or a cabin, depending on
    the campground... now that we're all getting older, some of my
    siblings are also renting cabins...
    The camper is nice too. Sleeping on the ground isn't bad but
    getting up is more of a pain as we age. The camper lets us have
    all the comforts of our bed back home. (G)
    Which indeed become increasingly important as time goes along...
    ;)

    Very much so as I've noticed in the various stages of the knee
    problems.

    Those would make it even more obviously obvious... :)

    Very much so; I still have to watch its placement.


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    Ruth
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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to RUTH HAFFLY on Saturday, September 14, 2019 15:40:00
    Quoting Ruth Haffly to Nancy Backus on 09-06-19 14:23 <=-

    Obviously somewhat different parental mindsets... The "nibbles"
    in the car were in lieu of whatever meal,
    Dad had to have his 3 meals a day.
    Daddy liked regular meals, too, but was obviously more flexible than
    your dad... :) I suspect that his mother had car snacks/meals for
    the long car trips she took with her boys, up and down the coasts,
    following granddad's ship, to meet up with him in the ports... :)
    Sounds like a logical presumption. My dad wasn't raised like that; I
    think he/his parents did very little travelling, especially when he
    was young. WWII changed that for Dad--he enlisted in the Navy and saw quite a bit of the Pacific. Reserves, after the war, brought him to
    South America and our being stationed in Germany gave him a chance to
    see a small bit of Europe.

    Different backgrounds played into different mindsets later... :)

    the need to make potty stops... and the fruit and veggies to
    keep from getting dehydrated. Bread, especially raisin bread,
    was a typical eat in the car on Sunday on the way to church
    breakfast anyway, so an obvious trip bringalong... :)
    My dad didn't like raisins so we very rarely saw raisin bread.
    Probably only if some was given to us--and he'd not eat any.
    The alternative for us on car trips was pumpernickle bread... ;)

    Sounds good. We were raised on store bought, white sandwich bread. A
    piece in the morning to suppliment whatever cereal we had, school
    lunches and sometimes for supper as well. If Mom had made "chili" or
    beef stew, it was always served on bread as a way to stretch it out.

    And different practices.... :)

    I used to pack fruit and veggie nibbles, plus granola type bars
    for snacking on our trips--have changed up the mix somewhat but
    still do pack munchies.
    I'd rather have something to nibble on in the car than stop for a
    meal, so for me I pack cheese, fruit (like grapes or cherries or
    berries), and maybe Wegmans mini muffins or Nutra-grain bars...
    and the flavored water to sip on... :)

    We've packed bars, nuts, fruits, etc plus flavored water. Now, when we
    tow the camper, we've got a wider variety of nibbles available. (G)

    Up to, and including, real meals that can be cooked on site... (G)

    Yes, a nice somewhat rustic place called Antlers Inn... only a
    (snip)
    Sounds like a place to check out some time.
    If we ever camp again in the area, I'm sure we would check it
    out again... it's on Rt 6 just east of Gaines PA... We'd often
    go there for a Sunday dinner when we were camping at Kenshire.
    Doesn't ring any bells, what other towns is it near?
    Closest big town is Wellsboro, to the east... We'd go west a few
    miles to Galeton to get groceries... If one went further east
    from Wellsboro on Rt 6, you'd get to Mansfield (on Rt 15)...
    OK, I recognise Mansfield.
    I figured you should at least recognise that, from traveling on
    Rt 15...

    Done that road quite a number of times over the years, especially
    since moving to the east coast from HI.

    Indeed. :) It's my main route to points south, at least to
    Harrisburg... :)

    I've always rented either a trailer or a cabin, depending on
    the campground... now that we're all getting older, some of my
    siblings are also renting cabins...
    The camper is nice too. Sleeping on the ground isn't bad but
    getting up is more of a pain as we age. The camper lets us have
    all the comforts of our bed back home. (G)
    Which indeed become increasingly important as time goes along...
    Very much so as I've noticed in the various stages of the knee
    problems.
    Those would make it even more obviously obvious... :)

    Very much so; I still have to watch its placement.

    To be expected, at this stage... :) Possibly for quite a while....

    ttyl neb

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to NANCY BACKUS on Sunday, September 15, 2019 16:54:13
    Hi Nancy,

    Daddy liked regular meals, too, but was obviously more flexible
    than NB>> your dad... :) I suspect that his mother had car
    snacks/meals for NB>> the long car trips she took with her boys, up
    and down the coasts, NB>> following granddad's ship, to meet up with
    him in the ports... :)
    Sounds like a logical presumption. My dad wasn't raised like that; I
    think he/his parents did very little travelling, especially when he
    was young. WWII changed that for Dad--he enlisted in the Navy and saw quite a bit of the Pacific. Reserves, after the war, brought him to
    South America and our being stationed in Germany gave him a chance to
    see a small bit of Europe.

    Different backgrounds played into different mindsets later... :)

    Yes, definatly. Then there are some people raised one way but go off on
    a different tangent when they leave home.

    the need to make potty stops... and the fruit and veggies to
    keep from getting dehydrated. Bread, especially raisin bread,
    was a typical eat in the car on Sunday on the way to church
    breakfast anyway, so an obvious trip bringalong... :)
    My dad didn't like raisins so we very rarely saw raisin bread.
    Probably only if some was given to us--and he'd not eat any.
    The alternative for us on car trips was pumpernickle bread... ;)

    Sounds good. We were raised on store bought, white sandwich bread. A
    piece in the morning to suppliment whatever cereal we had, school
    lunches and sometimes for supper as well. If Mom had made "chili" or
    beef stew, it was always served on bread as a way to stretch it out.

    And different practices.... :)

    That's for sure! My parents got a freezer while I was in college and
    would hit up the bakery "day old" stores when they went to other towns
    for medical appointments. They'd bring home lots of bread, coffee cakes, doughnuts, etc but the bread was still mostly white flour "balloon"
    stuff.

    I used to pack fruit and veggie nibbles, plus granola type bars
    for snacking on our trips--have changed up the mix somewhat but
    still do pack munchies.
    I'd rather have something to nibble on in the car than stop for
    a NB>> meal, so for me I pack cheese, fruit (like grapes or cherries
    or
    berries), and maybe Wegmans mini muffins or Nutra-grain bars...
    and the flavored water to sip on... :)

    We've packed bars, nuts, fruits, etc plus flavored water. Now, when we
    tow the camper, we've got a wider variety of nibbles available. (G)

    Up to, and including, real meals that can be cooked on site... (G)

    Yes, we've even cooked at rest stops--grilled burgers once but it's
    usually soup or something like that.

    Yes, a nice somewhat rustic place called Antlers Inn... only
    a
    (snip)
    Sounds like a place to check out some time.
    If we ever camp again in the area, I'm sure we would check it
    out again... it's on Rt 6 just east of Gaines PA... We'd often
    go there for a Sunday dinner when we were camping at Kenshire.
    Doesn't ring any bells, what other towns is it near?
    Closest big town is Wellsboro, to the east... We'd go west a
    few NB>>> miles to Galeton to get groceries... If one went further
    east
    from Wellsboro on Rt 6, you'd get to Mansfield (on Rt 15)...
    OK, I recognise Mansfield.
    I figured you should at least recognise that, from traveling on
    Rt 15...

    Done that road quite a number of times over the years, especially
    since moving to the east coast from HI.

    Indeed. :) It's my main route to points south, at least to
    Harrisburg... :)

    Sometimes we take it even further south--found a nice little bbq place
    just outside of Frederick, MD called Chubby's. On the left side of the
    road as you're headed south, we've stopped there several times in the
    past few years.


    I've always rented either a trailer or a cabin, depending on
    the campground... now that we're all getting older, some of my
    siblings are also renting cabins...
    The camper is nice too. Sleeping on the ground isn't bad but
    getting up is more of a pain as we age. The camper lets us have
    all the comforts of our bed back home. (G)
    Which indeed become increasingly important as time goes
    along... RH>> Very much so as I've noticed in the various stages of
    the knee
    problems.
    Those would make it even more obviously obvious... :)

    Very much so; I still have to watch its placement.

    To be expected, at this stage... :) Possibly for quite a while....

    Probably so; I go back for a check up in early October.


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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to RUTH HAFFLY on Friday, September 20, 2019 22:30:00
    Quoting Ruth Haffly to Nancy Backus on 09-15-19 16:54 <=-

    Different backgrounds played into different mindsets later... :)

    Yes, definatly. Then there are some people raised one way but go off
    on a different tangent when they leave home.

    True... which is why I said "played into"... often not a one-to-one carryover... ;)

    keep from getting dehydrated. Bread, especially raisin bread,
    was a typical eat in the car on Sunday on the way to church
    breakfast anyway, so an obvious trip bringalong... :)
    My dad didn't like raisins so we very rarely saw raisin bread.
    Probably only if some was given to us--and he'd not eat any.
    The alternative for us on car trips was pumpernickle bread... ;)
    Sounds good. We were raised on store bought, white sandwich bread. A
    piece in the morning to suppliment whatever cereal we had, school
    lunches and sometimes for supper as well. If Mom had made "chili" or
    beef stew, it was always served on bread as a way to stretch it out.
    And different practices.... :)

    That's for sure! My parents got a freezer while I was in college and
    would hit up the bakery "day old" stores when they went to other towns
    for medical appointments. They'd bring home lots of bread, coffee
    cakes, doughnuts, etc but the bread was still mostly white flour
    "balloon" stuff.

    Even without a freezer to store it, Daddy was hitting up the day-old
    stores... but mostly what he got were the fancier breads, whole wheat, pumpernickle, rye, raisin... and things like Spanish bar... ;)

    We've packed bars, nuts, fruits, etc plus flavored water. Now,
    when we tow the camper, we've got a wider variety of nibbles
    available. (G)
    Up to, and including, real meals that can be cooked on site... (G)

    Yes, we've even cooked at rest stops--grilled burgers once but it's usually soup or something like that.

    You'd want something quick to cook, eat and clean up after... so as to
    be back on the road in some decent time... :)

    Closest big town is Wellsboro, to the east... We'd go west a
    few miles to Galeton to get groceries... If one went further
    east from Wellsboro on Rt 6, you'd get to Mansfield (on Rt 15)...
    OK, I recognise Mansfield.
    I figured you should at least recognise that, from traveling on
    Rt 15...
    Done that road quite a number of times over the years, especially
    since moving to the east coast from HI.
    Indeed. :) It's my main route to points south, at least to
    Harrisburg... :)

    Sometimes we take it even further south--found a nice little bbq place just outside of Frederick, MD called Chubby's. On the left side of the road as you're headed south, we've stopped there several times in the
    past few years.

    So far I've not used 15 further south... usually either I81 or I83... or
    the PA Turnpike.... depending on where I was headed from there....

    The camper is nice too. Sleeping on the ground isn't bad but
    getting up is more of a pain as we age. The camper lets us have
    all the comforts of our bed back home. (G)
    Which indeed become increasingly important as time goes
    along...
    Very much so as I've noticed in the various stages of the knee
    problems.
    Those would make it even more obviously obvious... :)
    Very much so; I still have to watch its placement.
    To be expected, at this stage... :) Possibly for quite a while....

    Probably so; I go back for a check up in early October.

    So after the Picnic... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to NANCY BACKUS on Tuesday, September 24, 2019 21:15:37
    Hi Nancy,

    Different backgrounds played into different mindsets later... :)

    Yes, definatly. Then there are some people raised one way but go off
    on a different tangent when they leave home.

    True... which is why I said "played into"... often not a one-to-one carryover... ;)

    I think we all change somewhat after we leave home, some more than
    others.

    The alternative for us on car trips was pumpernickle bread...
    ;) RH>> Sounds good. We were raised on store bought, white sandwich bread. A RH>> piece in the morning to suppliment whatever cereal we
    had, school RH>> lunches and sometimes for supper as well. If Mom had made "chili" or RH>> beef stew, it was always served on bread as a
    way to stretch it out. NB>> And different practices.... :)

    That's for sure! My parents got a freezer while I was in college and
    would hit up the bakery "day old" stores when they went to other towns
    for medical appointments. They'd bring home lots of bread, coffee
    cakes, doughnuts, etc but the bread was still mostly white flour
    "balloon" stuff.

    Even without a freezer to store it, Daddy was hitting up the day-old stores... but mostly what he got were the fancier breads, whole wheat, pumpernickle, rye, raisin... and things like Spanish bar... ;)

    Mom would buy about 3 loaves of sandwich bread as part of her weekly
    shopping. That would usually last about the week but if she made
    something that required more bread, we'd go thru another loaf or so.

    We've packed bars, nuts, fruits, etc plus flavored water. Now,
    when we tow the camper, we've got a wider variety of nibbles
    available. (G)
    Up to, and including, real meals that can be cooked on site...
    (G)

    Yes, we've even cooked at rest stops--grilled burgers once but it's usually soup or something like that.

    You'd want something quick to cook, eat and clean up after... so as to
    be back on the road in some decent time... :)

    Basically, yes. Those times we also use disposable tableware to make
    clean up easier--dump most of it in the trash can and wash up the pot
    when we stop for the night.

    Closest big town is Wellsboro, to the east... We'd go west a
    few miles to Galeton to get groceries... If one went further
    east from Wellsboro on Rt 6, you'd get to Mansfield (on Rt
    15)... RH>>> OK, I recognise Mansfield.
    I figured you should at least recognise that, from traveling on
    Rt 15...
    Done that road quite a number of times over the years,
    especially RH>> since moving to the east coast from HI.
    Indeed. :) It's my main route to points south, at least to
    Harrisburg... :)

    Sometimes we take it even further south--found a nice little bbq place just outside of Frederick, MD called Chubby's. On the left side of the road as you're headed south, we've stopped there several times in the
    past few years.

    So far I've not used 15 further south... usually either I81 or I83...
    or the PA Turnpike.... depending on where I was headed from there....

    Found something from them the other day--its address is Emmittsburg, MD.
    We've taken that route a few times with plans to stop there.


    The camper is nice too. Sleeping on the ground isn't bad but
    getting up is more of a pain as we age. The camper lets us
    have RH>>>> all the comforts of our bed back home. (G)
    Which indeed become increasingly important as time goes
    along...
    Very much so as I've noticed in the various stages of the knee
    problems.
    Those would make it even more obviously obvious... :)
    Very much so; I still have to watch its placement.
    To be expected, at this stage... :) Possibly for quite a
    while....

    Probably so; I go back for a check up in early October.

    So after the Picnic... :)

    Yes, but before the Getty concert.

    ---
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    Ruth
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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to RUTH HAFFLY on Friday, October 04, 2019 15:41:00
    Quoting Ruth Haffly to Nancy Backus on 09-24-19 21:15 <=-

    Different backgrounds played into different mindsets later... :)
    Yes, definatly. Then there are some people raised one way but go
    off on a different tangent when they leave home.
    True... which is why I said "played into"... often not a
    one-to-one carryover... ;)

    I think we all change somewhat after we leave home, some more than
    others.

    Quite likely true... :) DIfferent influences, different reactions to
    said influences... ;)

    And different practices.... :)
    That's for sure! My parents got a freezer while I was in college
    and would hit up the bakery "day old" stores when they went to
    other towns for medical appointments. They'd bring home lots of
    bread, coffee cakes, doughnuts, etc but the bread was still
    mostly white flour "balloon" stuff.
    Even without a freezer to store it, Daddy was hitting up the
    day-old stores... but mostly what he got were the fancier breads,
    whole wheat, pumpernickle, rye, raisin... and things like Spanish
    bar... ;)

    Mom would buy about 3 loaves of sandwich bread as part of her weekly shopping. That would usually last about the week but if she made
    something that required more bread, we'd go thru another loaf or so.

    I don't really remember now how much bread we went through... seems to
    me that Daddy was bringimg home more than jwst 3 loaves at a time... but
    I don't remember how long it lasted... or how often he shopped the
    outlet stores...

    We've packed bars, nuts, fruits, etc plus flavored water. Now,
    when we tow the camper, we've got a wider variety of nibbles
    available. (G)
    Up to, and including, real meals that can be cooked on site...
    Yes, we've even cooked at rest stops--grilled burgers once but
    it's usually soup or something like that.
    You'd want something quick to cook, eat and clean up after...
    so as to be back on the road in some decent time... :)

    Basically, yes. Those times we also use disposable tableware to make
    clean up easier--dump most of it in the trash can and wash up the pot
    when we stop for the night.

    That works... :)

    OK, I recognise Mansfield.
    I figured you should at least recognise that, from traveling on
    Rt 15...
    Done that road quite a number of times over the years,
    especially since moving to the east coast from HI.
    Indeed. :) It's my main route to points south, at least to
    Harrisburg... :)
    Sometimes we take it even further south--found a nice little bbq
    place just outside of Frederick, MD called Chubby's. On the left
    side of the road as you're headed south, we've stopped there
    several times in the past few years.
    So far I've not used 15 further south... usually either I81 or
    I83... or the PA Turnpike.... depending on where I was headed
    from there....

    Found something from them the other day--its address is Emmittsburg,
    MD. We've taken that route a few times with plans to stop there.

    Ah. :) I rarely stop to eat, anyway... I tend to use various eateries
    as a sort of landmark as to how far I am on the journey... :)

    The camper is nice too. Sleeping on the ground isn't bad but
    getting up is more of a pain as we age. The camper lets us
    have all the comforts of our bed back home. (G)
    Which indeed become increasingly important as time goes
    along...
    Very much so as I've noticed in the various stages of the
    knee problems.
    Those would make it even more obviously obvious... :)
    Very much so; I still have to watch its placement.
    To be expected, at this stage... :) Possibly for quite a
    while....
    Probably so; I go back for a check up in early October.
    So after the Picnic... :)

    Yes, but before the Getty concert.

    Had the checkup yet...? and when is the concert...? Your knee seemed
    to be doing pretty well while we were there, even if not totally back to
    where it should be... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to NANCY BACKUS on Saturday, October 05, 2019 16:20:49
    Hi Nancy,

    I think we all change somewhat after we leave home, some more than
    others.

    Quite likely true... :) DIfferent influences, different reactions to said influences... ;)

    Some people remain unchanged, others change quite dramatically. Still
    others (probably the majority of people) change somewhat (in varying
    degrees).

    And different practices.... :)
    That's for sure! My parents got a freezer while I was in college
    and would hit up the bakery "day old" stores when they went to
    other towns for medical appointments. They'd bring home lots of
    bread, coffee cakes, doughnuts, etc but the bread was still
    mostly white flour "balloon" stuff.
    Even without a freezer to store it, Daddy was hitting up the
    day-old stores... but mostly what he got were the fancier
    breads, NB>> whole wheat, pumpernickle, rye, raisin... and things
    like Spanish NB>> bar... ;)

    Mom would buy about 3 loaves of sandwich bread as part of her weekly shopping. That would usually last about the week but if she made
    something that required more bread, we'd go thru another loaf or so.

    I don't really remember now how much bread we went through... seems to
    me that Daddy was bringimg home more than jwst 3 loaves at a time...
    but I don't remember how long it lasted... or how often he shopped the outlet stores...

    When you're young, you usually don't pay attention to things like that.
    (G) I had to help Dad with the shopping when Mom was in summer school
    (in my early teens) so I became more aware (at an early than my siblings
    age) of how much we bought of various things. It was basically once a
    week shopping for most things, some basics might need replenishing
    during the week. Meat and potatoes plus another vegetable make for a
    somewhat easier shopping than say Italian one night, Mexican another
    night, Asian a third, etc. (G)

    You'd want something quick to cook, eat and clean up after...
    so as to be back on the road in some decent time... :)

    Basically, yes. Those times we also use disposable tableware to make
    clean up easier--dump most of it in the trash can and wash up the pot
    when we stop for the night.

    That works... :)

    Rather well overall. (G)

    Harrisburg... :)
    Sometimes we take it even further south--found a nice little bbq
    place just outside of Frederick, MD called Chubby's. On the left
    side of the road as you're headed south, we've stopped there
    several times in the past few years.
    So far I've not used 15 further south... usually either I81 or
    I83... or the PA Turnpike.... depending on where I was headed
    from there....

    Found something from them the other day--its address is Emmittsburg,
    MD. We've taken that route a few times with plans to stop there.

    Ah. :) I rarely stop to eat, anyway... I tend to use various
    eateries as a sort of landmark as to how far I am on the journey... :)

    So if you go 15 south into MD often, you'll recognise Chubby's as a
    landmark. (G)

    Very much so as I've noticed in the various stages of the
    knee problems.
    Those would make it even more obviously obvious... :)
    Very much so; I still have to watch its placement.
    To be expected, at this stage... :) Possibly for quite a
    while....
    Probably so; I go back for a check up in early October.
    So after the Picnic... :)

    Yes, but before the Getty concert.

    Had the checkup yet...? and when is the concert...? Your knee seemed
    to be doing pretty well while we were there, even if not totally back
    to where it should be... :)

    Checkup is the 8th, concert is the 15th. The knee has it's fits and
    spurts--I was on my feet a lot (or sitting, not with the knee up) a lot
    during the picnic so it was hurting more. Overall, that has settled
    down, not quite entirely but not as bad as it would have been last year. Talking with our mail man (he's had both replaced), he said to figure a
    year before it fully settles down. It'll be 8 months on the 15th so.....

    ---
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    Ruth
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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to RUTH HAFFLY on Thursday, October 10, 2019 21:57:00
    Quoting Ruth Haffly to Nancy Backus on 10-05-19 15:20 <=-

    Replying from the Pond, 10 October about 8:58pm...

    Even without a freezer to store it, Daddy was hitting up the
    day-old stores... but mostly what he got were the fancier
    breads, whole wheat, pumpernickle, rye, raisin... and things
    like Spanish bar... ;)
    Mom would buy about 3 loaves of sandwich bread as part of her
    weekly shopping. That would usually last about the week but if
    she made something that required more bread, we'd go thru
    another loaf or so.
    I don't really remember now how much bread we went through...
    seems to me that Daddy was bringing home more than jwst 3
    loaves at a time... but I don't remember how long it lasted...
    or how often he shopped the outlet stores...

    When you're young, you usually don't pay attention to things like
    that. (G) I had to help Dad with the shopping when Mom was in summer school (in my early teens) so I became more aware (at an early than my siblings age) of how much we bought of various things. It was basically once a week shopping for most things, some basics might need
    replenishing during the week.

    Daddy did the weekly shopping in our house, and usually brought along
    some of the kids, including me, usually.... I just don't remember now if
    the forays to the outlet stores happened in the same trip, or if that
    was separate... And I suspect that why I don't remember quantities is
    that he'd get what was available, and that would fluctuate from trip to trip.... :)

    Meat and potatoes plus another vegetable make for a somewhat
    easier shopping than say Italian one night, Mexican another
    night, Asian a third, etc. (G)

    Ours weren't quite as standardised as yours were.... but the ventures
    into other cuisines weren't very taxing... "Italian" was spaghetti with
    the sauce mixed into the same pot, "Asian" was LaChoy, and I don't think
    we ever had anything resembling Mexican... But we did have things like
    tongue and liver and heart fairly regularly, along with beef stew with
    canned tomatoes added to the veggies, and various forms of meat, chicken
    and fish (the sort that came in a box, frozen)... Some of it was what
    was a good price that week....

    Harrisburg... :)
    Sometimes we take it even further south--found a nice little bbq
    place just outside of Frederick, MD called Chubby's. On the left
    side of the road as you're headed south, we've stopped there
    several times in the past few years.
    So far I've not used 15 further south... usually either I81 or
    I83... or the PA Turnpike.... depending on where I was headed
    from there....
    Found something from them the other day--its address is
    Emmittsburg, MD. We've taken that route a few times with plans
    to stop there.
    Ah. :) I rarely stop to eat, anyway... I tend to use various
    eateries as a sort of landmark as to how far I am on the
    journey... :)

    So if you go 15 south into MD often, you'll recognise Chubby's as a landmark. (G)

    If/when I started taking that route.... ;)

    Very much so as I've noticed in the various stages of the
    knee problems.
    Those would make it even more obviously obvious... :)
    Very much so; I still have to watch its placement.
    To be expected, at this stage... :) Possibly for quite a
    while....
    Probably so; I go back for a check up in early October.
    So after the Picnic... :)
    Yes, but before the Getty concert.
    Had the checkup yet...? and when is the concert...? Your knee
    seemed to be doing pretty well while we were there, even if not
    totally back to where it should be... :)

    Checkup is the 8th, concert is the 15th.

    Ok, so you've had the checkup already as I write, and the concert is the
    day I get back from the Pond... :)

    The knee has it's fits and spurts--I was on my feet a lot (or
    sitting, not with the knee up) a lot during the picnic so it was
    hurting more. Overall, that has settled down, not quite entirely
    but not as bad as it would have been last year. Talking with our
    mail man (he's had both replaced), he said to figure a year before
    it fully settles down. It'll be 8 months on the 15th so.....

    Visited with Linda Peters last night... she said the same... her knee
    took about a year to settle down.... Now the other knee is getting bad,
    but she's not ready to deal with it yet... And she indicated that she
    isn't making bread... she said you and Steve made it look so easy, but
    that she'd not found it so... Probably she just didn't do it soon enough
    and often enough after she'd been shown... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to NANCY BACKUS on Wednesday, October 16, 2019 21:34:04
    Hi Nancy,

    Replying from the Pond, 10 October about 8:58pm...

    Hopefully you had a good trip up there. Were the leaves in full color or
    past their peak?

    I don't really remember now how much bread we went through...
    seems to me that Daddy was bringing home more than jwst 3
    loaves at a time... but I don't remember how long it lasted...
    or how often he shopped the outlet stores...

    When you're young, you usually don't pay attention to things like
    that. (G) I had to help Dad with the shopping when Mom was in summer school (in my early teens) so I became more aware (at an early than my siblings age) of how much we bought of various things. It was basically once a week shopping for most things, some basics might need
    replenishing during the week.

    Daddy did the weekly shopping in our house, and usually brought along
    some of the kids, including me, usually.... I just don't remember now
    if the forays to the outlet stores happened in the same trip, or if
    that
    was separate... And I suspect that why I don't remember quantities is
    that he'd get what was available, and that would fluctuate from trip
    to trip.... :)

    Sounds logical, we ate a lot of white sandwich bread over the years.
    That's probably why I remember it more; to have something different was
    a rare exception. Mom and Dad had more of a variety after us kids left
    home, especially afteer Bread Alone (an artisinal bakery) opened up on
    the road to Kingston. Steve and I stop there whenever we can and I
    bought their bread making book some years ago.

    Meat and potatoes plus another vegetable make for a somewhat
    easier shopping than say Italian one night, Mexican another
    night, Asian a third, etc. (G)

    Ours weren't quite as standardised as yours were.... but the ventures
    into other cuisines weren't very taxing... "Italian" was spaghetti
    with the sauce mixed into the same pot, "Asian" was LaChoy, and I
    don't think we ever had anything resembling Mexican... But we did
    have things like tongue and liver and heart fairly regularly, along

    I remember having tongue sometimes when I was young but once Mom started working for the school, it was off the menu. Still had a lot of liver
    but no other offal meats.


    with beef stew with
    canned tomatoes added to the veggies, and various forms of meat,

    I put tomatoes in my beef stew, along with a sprig of fresh rosemary.

    chicken and fish (the sort that came in a box, frozen)... Some of it

    Our fish was usually fish sticks.

    was what was a good price that week....

    Ours always was.....

    bbq RH>>> place just outside of Frederick, MD called Chubby's. On the
    several times in the past few years.
    So far I've not used 15 further south... usually either I81 or
    I83... or the PA Turnpike.... depending on where I was headed
    from there....
    Found something from them the other day--its address is
    Emmittsburg, MD. We've taken that route a few times with plans
    to stop there.
    Ah. :) I rarely stop to eat, anyway... I tend to use various
    eateries as a sort of landmark as to how far I am on the
    journey... :)

    So if you go 15 south into MD often, you'll recognise Chubby's as a landmark. (G)

    If/when I started taking that route.... ;)

    You might be tempted to stop. (G)

    Probably so; I go back for a check up in early October.
    So after the Picnic... :)
    Yes, but before the Getty concert.
    Had the checkup yet...? and when is the concert...? Your knee
    seemed to be doing pretty well while we were there, even if not
    totally back to where it should be... :)

    Checkup is the 8th, concert is the 15th.

    Ok, so you've had the checkup already as I write, and the concert is
    the day I get back from the Pond... :)

    The concert was last night--glad it's over but enjoyed participating in
    it. Got some new CDs to add to the music mix for when we travel. (G)


    The knee has it's fits and spurts--I was on my feet a lot (or
    sitting, not with the knee up) a lot during the picnic so it was
    hurting more. Overall, that has settled down, not quite entirely
    but not as bad as it would have been last year. Talking with our
    mail man (he's had both replaced), he said to figure a year before
    it fully settles down. It'll be 8 months on the 15th so.....

    Visited with Linda Peters last night... she said the same... her knee
    took about a year to settle down.... Now the other knee is getting
    bad, but she's not ready to deal with it yet... And she indicated

    She'll reach the moment when she knows it's the right time for the new
    knee. Dr said my quadricepts muscle is still somewhat weak but I think
    he's overall happy with it.

    that she
    isn't making bread... she said you and Steve made it look so easy, but that she'd not found it so... Probably she just didn't do it soon
    enough and often enough after she'd been shown... ;)

    That sounds reasonable; you have to make it often enough to know how to recognise the various stages--when it has been kneaded enough for
    instance. I made some on Monday--came out looking really pretty.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to RUTH HAFFLY on Saturday, October 26, 2019 21:26:00
    Quoting Ruth Haffly to Nancy Backus on 10-16-19 20:34 <=-

    Replying from the Pond, 10 October about 8:58pm...
    Hopefully you had a good trip up there. Were the leaves in full color
    or past their peak?

    When I was at the Pond that week, the leaves were beautifully at peak...
    a week later, when we went up to close camp for the winter and take RJ
    to Montreal for his flight out, most of the leaves had dropped... so I
    was there at the right time... :)

    I don't really remember now how much bread we went through...
    seems to me that Daddy was bringing home more than jwst 3
    loaves at a time... but I don't remember how long it lasted...
    or how often he shopped the outlet stores...
    When you're young, you usually don't pay attention to things
    like that. (G) I had to help Dad with the shopping when Mom was
    in summer school (in my early teens) so I became more aware (at
    an early than my siblings age) of how much we bought of various
    things. It was basically once a week shopping for most things,
    some basics might need replenishing during the week.
    Daddy did the weekly shopping in our house, and usually brought
    along some of the kids, including me, usually.... I just don't
    remember now if the forays to the outlet stores happened in the
    same trip, or if that was separate... And I suspect that why I
    don't remember quantities is that he'd get what was available,
    and that would fluctuate from trip to trip.... :)

    Sounds logical, we ate a lot of white sandwich bread over the years. That's probably why I remember it more; to have something different
    was a rare exception. Mom and Dad had more of a variety after us kids
    left home, especially after Bread Alone (an artisinal bakery) opened
    up on the road to Kingston. Steve and I stop there whenever we can and
    I bought their bread making book some years ago.

    True... the exceptions are easier to remember than the day-to-day
    routine... ;)

    Meat and potatoes plus another vegetable make for a somewhat
    easier shopping than say Italian one night, Mexican another
    night, Asian a third, etc. (G)
    Ours weren't quite as standardised as yours were.... but the
    ventures into other cuisines weren't very taxing... "Italian"
    was spaghetti with the sauce mixed into the same pot, "Asian"
    was LaChoy, and I don't think we ever had anything resembling
    Mexican... But we did have things like tongue and liver and
    heart fairly regularly,

    I remember having tongue sometimes when I was young but once Mom
    started working for the school, it was off the menu. Still had a lot of liver but no other offal meats.

    I think that both my parents had grown up eating at least some forms of
    offal, and thought it just normal to add that into the rota.... also,
    back then, those were less expensive than most cuts of meat... :)

    along with beef stew with canned
    tomatoes added to the veggies, and various forms of meat,

    I put tomatoes in my beef stew, along with a sprig of fresh rosemary.

    Ours was more a tomato juice based stew... not thickened or
    gravy-like... Always had a bay leaf or two or three.... along with the
    carrots, potatoes and onions... dried parsley, too...

    chicken and fish (the sort that came in a box, frozen)...

    Our fish was usually fish sticks.

    I don't think we ever had fish sticks....

    Ah. :) I rarely stop to eat, anyway... I tend to use various
    eateries as a sort of landmark as to how far I am on the
    journey... :)
    So if you go 15 south into MD often, you'll recognise Chubby's
    as a landmark. (G)
    If/when I started taking that route.... ;)

    You might be tempted to stop. (G)

    Not likely.... I tend to not eat on the way... just the nibbles I pack,
    as we've talked about before...

    The concert was last night--glad it's over but enjoyed participating
    in it. Got some new CDs to add to the music mix for when we travel. (G)

    Sounds good... :)

    but not as bad as it would have been last year. Talking with our
    mail man (he's had both replaced), he said to figure a year before
    it fully settles down. It'll be 8 months on the 15th so.....
    Visited with Linda Peters last night... she said the same... her
    knee took about a year to settle down.... Now the other knee is
    getting bad, but she's not ready to deal with it yet...

    She'll reach the moment when she knows it's the right time for the new knee.

    Yup, just like the last time...

    Dr said my quadricepts muscle is still somewhat weak but I think
    he's overall happy with it.

    Just keep working at it... I'm sure it takes time and therapy to really
    get where it needs to be...

    And she indicated that she isn't making bread... she said you and
    Steve made it look so easy, but that she'd not found it so...
    Probably she just didn't do it soon enough and often enough after
    she'd been shown... ;)

    That sounds reasonable; you have to make it often enough to know how
    to recognise the various stages--when it has been kneaded enough for instance. I made some on Monday--came out looking really pretty.

    Exactly... Maybe one of these days, I'll get a chance to sit down with
    her and talk her through it... have her do most of the work, so that she actually gets a chance to feel what it feels like, how the dough works
    at each stage and all... :) Again... when she's ready... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to NANCY BACKUS on Saturday, November 02, 2019 15:19:08
    Hi Nancy,

    at peak... a week later, when we went up to close camp for the
    winter and take RJ to Montreal for his flight out, most of the
    leaves had dropped... so I was there at the right time... :)

    Sounds like it--we're losing a lot before they turn color (other than brown) thanks to the dry weather we had over the summer. We do see
    some spots of color but it's nothing like you had at the camp.

    Here in Rochester, things finally went to color... with the wind we've
    had overnight, a lot have been blown down now... but it's still pretty bright with color....

    We'll probably hit the peak in 2-3 weeks--if the wind doesn't blow them
    all off first. Had quite the storm come thru on the 31st, really putting
    the damper on activities for the night as tornado watches and warnings
    went up before dark thru about 11 pm.

    bakery) RH>> opened up on the road to Kingston. Steve and I stop
    there whenever RH>> we can and I bought their bread making book some years ago.
    True... the exceptions are easier to remember than the
    day-to-day NB>> routine... ;)

    Basically so. Bread Alone sends a lot of their stuff to the NYC area
    but does also sell some products in local stores. They have a small
    cafe store front that has more of an assortment than the stores so we
    like to try to get our bread from that. It's all natural, no yeast,
    wood fired ovens etc---IOW, good stuff!

    No yeast...?

    i'll have to check the book but they basically use a sponge (probably
    some yeast in that, thinking about it). It'll take about twice the usual
    time for making bread to do one of their recipies; a lot of that is
    sitting around, waiting for the bread to rise.

    along with beef stew with canned
    tomatoes added to the veggies, and various forms of meat,
    I put tomatoes in my beef stew, along with a sprig of fresh
    rosemary.
    Ours was more a tomato juice based stew... not thickened or
    gravy-like... Always had a bay leaf or two or three.... along
    with the carrots, potatoes and onions... dried parsley, too...

    Mom's was a standard beef/carrots/potatoes/bit of onion stew, with a
    thin gravy. Seasonings were just salt and pepper. I took her version
    and tweaked it to our tastes.

    I never knew that beef stew should have a gravy, since we had the
    other sort....

    All depends on what you were brought up on as to what you use for your
    taste reference. The stew I make has gravy but it's more of a thickened
    tomato based one than the greyish-brown one my mom's stew had.

    chicken and fish (the sort that came in a box, frozen)...
    Our fish was usually fish sticks.
    I don't think we ever had fish sticks....

    You didn't miss much. (G) Probably as much breading as fish per stick. Over the years Steve and I bought anything from fresh off the boat to frozen in the commissary, depending on where we were living. I don't
    think we ever bought fish sticks tho.

    We did buy them later, when we had people living with us that didn't
    like fish cooked the normal ways.... Wasn't impressed with them
    then... when we get fish now, it's either fresh or frozen...

    Same here. We're not buying as much as we have some places but every
    once in a while...............were at Publix today but fish didn't look
    that appealing so left it in the case.

    but not as bad as it would have been last year. Talking with
    our RH>>> mail man (he's had both replaced), he said to figure a year
    before it fully settles down. It'll be 8 months on the 15th
    so.....
    Visited with Linda Peters last night... she said the same...
    her NB>>> knee took about a year to settle down.... Now the other
    knee is NB>>> getting bad, but she's not ready to deal with it yet...
    She'll reach the moment when she knows it's the right time for
    the new knee.
    Yup, just like the last time...

    Then she will be glad she did it.

    Probably... ;)

    And she indicated that she isn't making bread... she said you
    and Steve made it look so easy, but that she'd not found it
    so... Probably she just didn't do it soon enough and often
    enough after she'd been shown... ;)
    That sounds reasonable; you have to make it often enough to
    know how to recognise the various stages--when it has been
    kneaded enough for instance. I made some on Monday--came out
    looking really pretty.
    Exactly... Maybe one of these days, I'll get a chance to sit
    down with her and talk her through it... have her do most of
    the work, so that she actually gets a chance to feel what it
    feels like, how the dough works at each stage and all... :)
    Again... when she's ready... ;)

    Sounds like a good idea--do you remember how you did it?

    I've not lost my touch... I baked enough bread for long enough, and
    then at least once a year, that I don't think I'll ever totally lose
    it... :) I could do part and have her do most... I could check the

    I don't bake it weekly as I did at one time but often enough that I've
    still got the touch. Most of the mixing/kneading is done in the KA now
    instead of by hand.


    feel, and then let her feel it, etc.... I made bread for my son's kindergarten class... and had them do the punching down, and some of

    I did that with Rachel's class in California--we lived within walking
    distance of the school. We were in Texas for Deborah's kindergaten, both
    off post and on post schools, neither of them convenient to us. All kindergarten classes were half day.

    the kneading... they had a great time... and since it was an all-day kindergarten, they got to
    taste it when it was baked, too... ;)

    I baked the bread at home and brought it in the next day. The kids were
    having a pre Thanksgiving feast so the bread was part of it.


    ---
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    Ruth
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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to RUTH HAFFLY on Thursday, November 07, 2019 20:16:00
    Quoting Ruth Haffly to Nancy Backus on 11-02-19 15:19 <=-

    Sounds like it--we're losing a lot before they turn color (other
    than brown) thanks to the dry weather we had over the summer. We
    do see some spots of color but it's nothing like you had at the
    camp.
    Here in Rochester, things finally went to color... with the wind
    we've had overnight, a lot have been blown down now... but it's
    still pretty bright with color....

    We'll probably hit the peak in 2-3 weeks--if the wind doesn't blow
    them all off first. Had quite the storm come thru on the 31st, really putting the damper on activities for the night as tornado watches and warnings went up before dark thru about 11 pm.

    Thankfully we've not had tornado watches/warnings... just rain during
    the afternoon and evening on the 31st, and then high winds overnight and Friday... And now we're getting our first snow of the season... maybe a
    half inch or less, but it's sticking... and chances of more straight
    through into next week...

    Basically so. Bread Alone sends a lot of their stuff to the NYC area
    but does also sell some products in local stores. They have a small
    cafe store front that has more of an assortment than the stores so we
    like to try to get our bread from that. It's all natural, no yeast,
    wood fired ovens etc---IOW, good stuff!
    No yeast...?

    i'll have to check the book but they basically use a sponge (probably
    some yeast in that, thinking about it). It'll take about twice the
    usual time for making bread to do one of their recipies; a lot of that
    is sitting around, waiting for the bread to rise.

    So, with or without yeast, it's a slow-rising bread...

    Mom's was a standard beef/carrots/potatoes/bit of onion stew,
    with a thin gravy. Seasonings were just salt and pepper. I took
    her version and tweaked it to our tastes.
    I never knew that beef stew should have a gravy, since we had the
    other sort....

    All depends on what you were brought up on as to what you use for your taste reference. The stew I make has gravy but it's more of a
    thickened tomato based one than the greyish-brown one my mom's stew
    had.

    True... Lately, I've just been using the Hormel beef tips in gravy as a
    starter base for making stew.... adding celery, garlic, onions, carrots, potatoes if I have them, sometimes adding a can of tomatoes...

    when we get fish now, it's either fresh or frozen...

    Same here. We're not buying as much as we have some places but every
    once in a while...............were at Publix today but fish didn't
    look that appealing so left it in the case.

    Lately, we've been getting most of our fish urges satisfied by regular
    visits to Fu... ;)

    And she indicated that she isn't making bread... she said you
    and Steve made it look so easy, but that she'd not found it
    so... Probably she just didn't do it soon enough and often
    enough after she'd been shown... ;)
    That sounds reasonable; you have to make it often enough to
    know how to recognise the various stages--when it has been
    kneaded enough for instance. I made some on Monday--came out
    looking really pretty.
    Exactly... Maybe one of these days, I'll get a chance to sit
    down with her and talk her through it... have her do most of
    the work, so that she actually gets a chance to feel what it
    feels like, how the dough works at each stage and all... :)
    Again... when she's ready... ;)
    Sounds like a good idea--do you remember how you did it?
    I've not lost my touch... I baked enough bread for long enough,
    and then at least once a year, that I don't think I'll ever
    totally lose it... :) I could do part and have her do most...
    I could check the feel, and then let her feel it, etc....

    I don't bake it weekly as I did at one time but often enough that I've still got the touch. Most of the mixing/kneading is done in the KA now instead of by hand.

    I've always done the mixing and kneading by hand... start with the
    spoon, and then turn it out and add the rest by hand while starting the kneading... I know, you have the issues with your wrists... thankfully
    I don't have those issues... :)

    I made bread for my son's kindergarten class... and had them
    do the punching down, and some of the kneading... they had a
    great time... and since it was an all-day kindergarten, they
    got to taste it when it was baked, too... ;)

    I did that with Rachel's class in California--we lived within walking distance of the school. We were in Texas for Deborah's kindergarten,
    both off post and on post schools, neither of them convenient to us.
    All kindergarten classes were half day.
    I baked the bread at home and brought it in the next day. The kids
    were having a pre Thanksgiving feast so the bread was part of it.

    That worked, too... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to RUTH HAFFLY on Tuesday, November 12, 2019 19:44:00
    Quoting Ruth Haffly to Nancy Backus on 11-08-19 19:39 <=-

    And now we're getting our first snow of the season... maybe a
    half inch or less, but it's sticking... and chances of more
    straight through into next week...

    I saw snow on the ground on the news tonight--a story from Albion
    (won't go into details here tho). We just have very cold weather; it's 7:40 and the thermometer is reading 33 degrees. Supposed to get down to the 20s tonight, then warm up to mid 60s (highs) by Monday only to drop again, even colder, starting Tuesday. I picked up several cans of soup
    at Wegman's today.

    Sounds like soup would be a very good idea... :) There was more snow
    south of us, that first storm.... and then yesterday, we got the snow,
    and south of us didn't get quite so much... We got just under a foot...
    started out as rain, then mixed with snow... and then got quite cold so
    a lot of the snow was pretty fluffy... We'll be staying cold for most of
    the week... highs only in the 20s for the next couple days still...

    stores so we like to try to get our bread from that. It's all
    natural, no yeast, wood fired ovens etc---IOW, good stuff!
    No yeast...?
    i'll have to check the book but they basically use a sponge
    (probably some yeast in that, thinking about it). It'll take about
    twice the usual time for making bread to do one of their recipies;
    a lot of that is sitting around, waiting for the bread to rise.
    So, with or without yeast, it's a slow-rising bread...

    Quite so; I think the first rise is about 3 hours. The bread is well
    worth it tho.

    Yes, a slow rise can make for a nice bread... :)

    I never knew that beef stew should have a gravy, since we had
    the other sort....
    All depends on what you were brought up on as to what you use for
    your taste reference. The stew I make has gravy but it's more of
    a thickened tomato based one than the greyish-brown one my mom's
    stew had.
    True... Lately, I've just been using the Hormel beef tips in
    gravy as a starter base for making stew... adding celery, garlic,
    onions, carrots, potatoes if I have them, sometimes adding a can
    of tomatoes...

    That's a good starter. I usually start from either cutting up a roast
    or stew meat, depending on the time/amount I need to make factors.

    My cooking is a lot more semi-homemade... ;)

    when we get fish now, it's either fresh or frozen...
    Same here. We're not buying as much as we have some places but
    every once in a while...............were at Publix today but
    fish didn't look that appealing so left it in the case.
    Lately, we've been getting most of our fish urges satisfied by
    regular visits to Fu... ;)

    We buy it occaisionally at (usually) Publix--walked right by it at Wegman's today as neither of us were thinking "fish".

    Had you been, it would have been a good place to be getting it,
    though... :)

    BTW, they had a sampling going on in the produce area, roasted
    brussels sprouts. I took a sample (very good) but Steve ignored it.

    Might have been a good idea for him to try a little... see if it was
    worth your getting... :) They have that available at various stages of
    being pre-prepared....

    Sounds like a good idea--do you remember how you did it?
    I've not lost my touch... I baked enough bread for long enough,
    and then at least once a year, that I don't think I'll ever
    totally lose it... :) I could do part and have her do most...
    I could check the feel, and then let her feel it, etc....
    I don't bake it weekly as I did at one time but often enough
    that I've still got the touch. Most of the mixing/kneading is
    done in the KA now instead of by hand.
    I've always done the mixing and kneading by hand... start with the
    spoon, and then turn it out and add the rest by hand while starting
    the kneading... I know, you have the issues with your wrists...
    thankfully I don't have those issues... :)

    I used to do it all by hand, 8 loaves worth at a time. One week end,
    just before Deborah was born, I did 16 loaves, 8 of whole wheat on
    Friday, 8 of rye on Saturday. That stocked the freezer until I was
    able to get back into making it 2 or 3 months later.

    That was how your nesting instinct played out... :) I was generally
    making 4 loaves at a time.... then, when I was just making the Christmas
    bread, 2 loaves...

    ttyl neb

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to NANCY BACKUS on Wednesday, November 13, 2019 17:03:07
    Hi Nancy,

    And now we're getting our first snow of the season... maybe a
    half inch or less, but it's sticking... and chances of more
    straight through into next week...

    I saw snow on the ground on the news tonight--a story from Albion
    (won't go into details here tho). We just have very cold weather; it's 7:40 and the thermometer is reading 33 degrees. Supposed to get down to the 20s tonight, then warm up to mid 60s (highs) by Monday only to drop again, even colder, starting Tuesday. I picked up several cans of soup
    at Wegman's today.

    Sounds like soup would be a very good idea... :) There was more snow south of us, that first storm.... and then yesterday, we got the snow,
    and south of us didn't get quite so much... We got just under a
    foot... started out as rain, then mixed with snow... and then got
    quite cold so a lot of the snow was pretty fluffy... We'll be staying
    cold for most of the week... highs only in the 20s for the next couple days still...

    We didn't get snow but got rain, then the cold temps. Yesterday we made potato-leek soup (recipe from Whole Foods From the Whole World) for
    lunch, braised lamb shanks and orzo for supper. Lamb came from Wegman's;
    it was actually the shank, knee joint and a bit above the knee.

    about RH>> twice the usual time for making bread to do one of their recipies; RH>> a lot of that is sitting around, waiting for the bread
    to rise.
    So, with or without yeast, it's a slow-rising bread...

    Quite so; I think the first rise is about 3 hours. The bread is well
    worth it tho.

    Yes, a slow rise can make for a nice bread... :)

    Very much so!

    I never knew that beef stew should have a gravy, since we had
    the other sort....
    All depends on what you were brought up on as to what you use
    for RH>> your taste reference. The stew I make has gravy but it's
    more of
    a thickened tomato based one than the greyish-brown one my mom's
    stew had.
    True... Lately, I've just been using the Hormel beef tips in
    gravy as a starter base for making stew... adding celery,
    garlic, NB>> onions, carrots, potatoes if I have them, sometimes
    adding a can
    of tomatoes...

    That's a good starter. I usually start from either cutting up a roast
    or stew meat, depending on the time/amount I need to make factors.

    My cooking is a lot more semi-homemade... ;)

    I've done that from time to time but most of the time it's more home
    made.

    when we get fish now, it's either fresh or frozen...
    Same here. We're not buying as much as we have some places but
    every once in a while...............were at Publix today but
    fish didn't look that appealing so left it in the case.
    Lately, we've been getting most of our fish urges satisfied by
    regular visits to Fu... ;)

    We buy it occaisionally at (usually) Publix--walked right by it at Wegman's today as neither of us were thinking "fish".

    Had you been, it would have been a good place to be getting it,
    though... :)

    Ended up getting some tuna at Publix on Saturday and cedar plank grilled it--just a bit of salt for other seasoning but the plank grilling gave
    it almost a citrusy taste.

    BTW, they had a sampling going on in the produce area, roasted
    brussels sprouts. I took a sample (very good) but Steve ignored it.

    Might have been a good idea for him to try a little... see if it was
    worth your getting... :) They have that available at various stages
    of being pre-prepared....

    He only likes raw brussels sprouts in the one salad mix we get--long
    story but I've tried fixing them several ways over the years and ended
    up eating all but one or two.

    I could check the feel, and then let her feel it, etc....
    I don't bake it weekly as I did at one time but often enough
    that I've still got the touch. Most of the mixing/kneading is
    done in the KA now instead of by hand.
    I've always done the mixing and kneading by hand... start with
    the NB>> spoon, and then turn it out and add the rest by hand while starting NB>> the kneading... I know, you have the issues with your wrists...
    thankfully I don't have those issues... :)

    I used to do it all by hand, 8 loaves worth at a time. One week end,
    just before Deborah was born, I did 16 loaves, 8 of whole wheat on
    Friday, 8 of rye on Saturday. That stocked the freezer until I was
    able to get back into making it 2 or 3 months later.

    That was how your nesting instinct played out... :) I was generally making 4 loaves at a time.... then, when I was just making the
    Christmas bread, 2 loaves...

    I make only 2 loaves at a time now but we don't go thru it as fast as we
    used to. Did buy a loaf of regular whole wheat at Wegman's to try it
    out.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to RUTH HAFFLY on Wednesday, November 20, 2019 20:31:00
    Quoting Ruth Haffly to Nancy Backus on 11-13-19 17:03 <=-

    And now we're getting our first snow of the season... maybe a
    half inch or less, but it's sticking... and chances of more
    straight through into next week...
    I saw snow on the ground on the news tonight--a story from Albion
    (won't go into details here tho). We just have very cold weather;
    it's 7:40 and the thermometer is reading 33 degrees. Supposed to
    get down to the 20s tonight, then warm up to mid 60s (highs) by
    Monday only to drop again, even colder, starting Tuesday. I
    picked up several cans of soup at Wegman's today.
    Sounds like soup would be a very good idea... :) There was
    more snow south of us, that first storm.... and then yesterday,
    we got the snow, and south of us didn't get quite so much... We
    got just under a foot... started out as rain, then mixed with
    snow... and then got quite cold so a lot of the snow was pretty
    fluffy... We'll be staying cold for most of the week... highs
    only in the 20s for the next couple days still...

    We didn't get snow but got rain, then the cold temps. Yesterday we
    made potato-leek soup (recipe from Whole Foods From the Whole World)
    for lunch, braised lamb shanks and orzo for supper. Lamb came from Wegman's; it was actually the shank, knee joint and a bit above the
    knee.

    I wonder if Dale looked for lamb or pork shank at his Wegmans yet...

    I never knew that beef stew should have a gravy, since we had
    the other sort....
    All depends on what you were brought up on as to what you use
    for your taste reference. The stew I make has gravy but it's
    more of a thickened tomato based one than the greyish-brown one
    my mom's stew had.
    True... Lately, I've just been using the Hormel beef tips in
    gravy as a starter base for making stew... adding celery,
    garlic, onions, carrots, potatoes if I have them, sometimes
    adding a can of tomatoes...
    That's a good starter. I usually start from either cutting up
    a roast or stew meat, depending on the time/amount I need to
    make factors.
    My cooking is a lot more semi-homemade... ;)

    I've done that from time to time but most of the time it's more
    home made.

    Indeed.

    when we get fish now, it's either fresh or frozen...
    Same here. We're not buying as much as we have some places but
    every once in a while...............were at Publix today but
    fish didn't look that appealing so left it in the case.
    Lately, we've been getting most of our fish urges satisfied by
    regular visits to Fu... ;)
    We buy it occaisionally at (usually) Publix--walked right by it
    at Wegman's today as neither of us were thinking "fish".
    Had you been, it would have been a good place to be getting it,
    though... :)

    Ended up getting some tuna at Publix on Saturday and cedar plank
    grilled it--just a bit of salt for other seasoning but the plank
    grilling gave it almost a citrusy taste.

    Sounds good... I've never tried plank grilling, but then we don't grill
    stuff anyway....

    BTW, they had a sampling going on in the produce area, roasted
    brussels sprouts. I took a sample (very good) but Steve ignored it.
    Might have been a good idea for him to try a little... see if
    it was worth your getting... :) They have that available at
    various stages of being pre-prepared....

    He only likes raw brussels sprouts in the one salad mix we get--long
    story but I've tried fixing them several ways over the years and ended
    up eating all but one or two.

    Ah... I thought I remembered once you'd roasted some that he thought
    were ok... I did remember that they aren't his favorite veggie... :)

    I've always done the mixing and kneading by hand... start with
    the spoon, and then turn it out and add the rest by hand while
    starting the kneading... I know, you have the issues with your
    wrists... thankfully I don't have those issues... :)
    I used to do it all by hand, 8 loaves worth at a time. One week
    end, just before Deborah was born, I did 16 loaves, 8 of whole
    wheat on Friday, 8 of rye on Saturday. That stocked the freezer
    until I was able to get back into making it 2 or 3 months later.
    That was how your nesting instinct played out... :) I was
    generally making 4 loaves at a time.... then, later, when I was
    just making the Christmas bread, 2 loaves...

    I make only 2 loaves at a time now but we don't go thru it as fast as
    we used to. Did buy a loaf of regular whole wheat at Wegman's to try it out.

    Some of their breads are quite nice... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to NANCY BACKUS on Thursday, November 21, 2019 22:24:29
    Hi Nancy,

    get down to the 20s tonight, then warm up to mid 60s (highs) by
    Monday only to drop again, even colder, starting Tuesday. I
    picked up several cans of soup at Wegman's today.
    Sounds like soup would be a very good idea... :) There was
    more snow south of us, that first storm.... and then yesterday,
    we got the snow, and south of us didn't get quite so much... We
    got just under a foot... started out as rain, then mixed with
    snow... and then got quite cold so a lot of the snow was pretty
    fluffy... We'll be staying cold for most of the week... highs
    only in the 20s for the next couple days still...

    We didn't get snow but got rain, then the cold temps. Yesterday we
    made potato-leek soup (recipe from Whole Foods From the Whole World)
    for lunch, braised lamb shanks and orzo for supper. Lamb came from Wegman's; it was actually the shank, knee joint and a bit above the
    knee.

    I wonder if Dale looked for lamb or pork shank at his Wegmans yet...

    Don't know but the lamb shanks we had were really good. Don't know how
    much they cost compared to Whole Foods (last place we got them) but
    these were meaty enough that we split one for supper the first night,
    had the other another night.

    I never knew that beef stew should have a gravy, since we had
    the other sort....
    All depends on what you were brought up on as to what you use
    for your taste reference. The stew I make has gravy but it's
    more of a thickened tomato based one than the greyish-brown one
    my mom's stew had.
    True... Lately, I've just been using the Hormel beef tips in
    gravy as a starter base for making stew... adding celery,
    garlic, onions, carrots, potatoes if I have them, sometimes
    adding a can of tomatoes...
    That's a good starter. I usually start from either cutting up
    a roast or stew meat, depending on the time/amount I need to
    make factors.
    My cooking is a lot more semi-homemade... ;)

    I've done that from time to time but most of the time it's more
    home made.

    Indeed.

    Just different cooking styles, nothing wrong with that.


    when we get fish now, it's either fresh or frozen...
    Same here. We're not buying as much as we have some places but
    every once in a while...............were at Publix today but
    fish didn't look that appealing so left it in the case.
    Lately, we've been getting most of our fish urges satisfied by
    regular visits to Fu... ;)
    We buy it occaisionally at (usually) Publix--walked right by it
    at Wegman's today as neither of us were thinking "fish".
    Had you been, it would have been a good place to be getting it,
    though... :)

    Ended up getting some tuna at Publix on Saturday and cedar plank
    grilled it--just a bit of salt for other seasoning but the plank
    grilling gave it almost a citrusy taste.

    Sounds good... I've never tried plank grilling, but then we don't
    grill stuff anyway....

    OTOH, we grill almost year round, sometimes several times a week.


    BTW, they had a sampling going on in the produce area, roasted
    brussels sprouts. I took a sample (very good) but Steve ignored
    it. NB>> Might have been a good idea for him to try a little... see
    if
    it was worth your getting... :) They have that available at
    various stages of being pre-prepared....

    He only likes raw brussels sprouts in the one salad mix we get--long
    story but I've tried fixing them several ways over the years and ended
    up eating all but one or two.

    Ah... I thought I remembered once you'd roasted some that he thought
    were ok... I did remember that they aren't his favorite veggie... :)

    He wasn't really thrilled with them, even with balsamic vinegar after
    roasting.


    I've always done the mixing and kneading by hand... start with
    the spoon, and then turn it out and add the rest by hand while
    starting the kneading... I know, you have the issues with your
    wrists... thankfully I don't have those issues... :)
    I used to do it all by hand, 8 loaves worth at a time. One week
    end, just before Deborah was born, I did 16 loaves, 8 of whole
    wheat on Friday, 8 of rye on Saturday. That stocked the freezer
    until I was able to get back into making it 2 or 3 months later.
    That was how your nesting instinct played out... :) I was
    generally making 4 loaves at a time.... then, later, when I was
    just making the Christmas bread, 2 loaves...

    I make only 2 loaves at a time now but we don't go thru it as fast as
    we used to. Did buy a loaf of regular whole wheat at Wegman's to try it out.

    Some of their breads are quite nice... :)

    The sample of the Mischbrot we had when we went the week after they
    opened was good. We just got the regular whole wheat sandwich type to
    hold us thru till I made bread on Tuesday (another couple of beautiful
    looking loaves).

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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