• Cornichons

    From JIM WELLER@1:123/140 to DAVE DRUM on Friday, August 16, 2019 23:52:00

    Quoting Dave Drum to Jim Weller <=-

    8 cornichons, finely minced

    What are those?

    A French [...] small, very sour gherkin pickle.
    harvested when they are just 1 to 2 inches long and very skinny.

    My maternal grandmother made a similar thing - only she called it a
    "senf gherkin" (Pennsylvania Dutch).

    The term has come to mean different things in different countries.

    Senf is German for "mustard".

    Title: Senf Gherkins
    5 qt Cucumbers or Gherkins

    Gherkins and cucumbers are two similar and related but different
    vegetables.

    8 c Sugar

    French cornichons made with gherkins have little or no sugar in the
    pickling brine.

    3/4 ts Turmeric
    2 ts Whole mixed pickling spices

    There is mustard seed in the pickling spices but the senf gherkins
    I've encountered in Mennonite and Hutterite homes are very mustardy.

    2 ts Vanilla; opt

    That's an odd addition.

    Maille brand French cornichons contain: gherkins, vinegar, spices
    and herbs (onions, mustard seeds, coriander), salt and are very
    sharp tasting and sour.


    Cheers

    Jim


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  • From Dave Drum@1:229/452 to JIM WELLER on Saturday, August 17, 2019 11:37:50
    JIM WELLER wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-

    8 cornichons, finely minced

    What are those?

    A French [...] small, very sour gherkin pickle.
    harvested when they are just 1 to 2 inches long and very skinny.

    My maternal grandmother made a similar thing - only she called it a
    "senf gherkin" (Pennsylvania Dutch).

    The term has come to mean different things in different countries.

    Senf is German for "mustard".

    Title: Senf Gherkins
    5 qt Cucumbers or Gherkins

    Gherkins and cucumbers are two similar and related but different vegetables.

    The gherkins I remember were about as large as my thumb (at that time)
    and with a very knobbly exterior. The baby cukes were a lot smoother.

    8 c Sugar

    French cornichons made with gherkins have little or no sugar in the pickling brine.

    Blame the recipe that Uncle Phaedrus found. It's for Senf Gherkins not Cornichons.

    3/4 ts Turmeric
    2 ts Whole mixed pickling spices

    There is mustard seed in the pickling spices but the senf gherkins
    I've encountered in Mennonite and Hutterite homes are very mustardy.

    My grandmother's forebears came from Southern Virginia/North Carolina.
    My grandfather's ancestors were from Pennsylvania - the recipe my grand
    mother used was her mother-in-law's.

    2 ts Vanilla; opt

    That's an odd addition.

    And optional - as was the fennel.

    Maille brand French cornichons contain: gherkins, vinegar, spices
    and herbs (onions, mustard seeds, coriander), salt and are very
    sharp tasting and sour.

    So were the senf gherkins my grandmother made. Talk about pucker-power.
    I suspect that, although it's not called out in the recipe I posted, the
    alum she added for "crispness" may have had something to do with that.

    The family cookbook that my grandmother kept and my mother had was taken
    by my sister after Mom snuffed it. She gave it to one of her daughters
    and no has seen it since. This is as close as I can come to what she
    made .... in 5 gallon stoneware crocks, weighted down with stoneware
    plates w/bricks on top of them. One of my "jobs" was skimming the nasties
    off the surface of the brine - daily.

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    Title: Virginia Chunk Sweet Pickles
    Categories: Squash, Pickles, Preserving
    Yield: 16 Pints

    74 Cucumbers; 4" to 5" long
    +=OR=+
    2 ga Small (gherkin-sized) cukes

    MMMMM------------------------FIRST BRINE-----------------------------
    2 c Salt
    +=TO=+
    1 ga Water

    MMMMM------------------------SECOND BRINE-----------------------------
    2 c Salt
    +=AND=+
    1 tb Powdered alum
    +=TO=+
    1 ga Water

    MMMMM---------------------------PICKLE--------------------------------
    6 c Vinegar
    1/3 c Pickling spice
    1 tb Celery seed
    3 c Sugar; divided

    Make brine of 2 cups salt to 1 gallon water. Boil and
    pour boiling water over cucumbers. Let stand 1 week in
    hot weather. Skim daily. Drain and cut into chunks.

    The next 3 mornings make a boiling hot solution of 1 gal.
    water and 1 tablespoon alum and pour over pickles (fresh
    hot bath for 3 mornings). The 4th morning, drain from
    alum water and heat.

    Make mixture of 6 cups vinegar, 5 cups sugar, 1/3 cup
    pickling spice, and 1 tablespoon celery seed; pour over
    pickles. The 5th morning, drain this liquid off and add
    2 cups sugar; heat again to boiling point and pour over
    pickles. The 6th morning, drain liquid off and add 1 cup
    sugar; heat.

    Pack pickles into jars; finish filling jars with liquid
    and seal at once.

    FROM: Uncle Phaedrus, Finder of Lost Recipes

    From: http://hungrybrowser.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Archives

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  • From JIM WELLER@1:123/140 to DAVE DRUM on Sunday, August 18, 2019 21:39:00

    Quoting Dave Drum to Jim Weller <=-

    cornichons [...] French [...] small, very sour gherkin pickle.
    harvested when they are just 1 to 2 inches long and very skinny.

    The gherkins I remember were about as large as my thumb (at
    that time)

    The Maille ones are barely 1 1/2" long and no more than 3/8" thick.

    French cornichons [...] have little or no sugar

    So were the senf gherkins my grandmother made. Talk about
    pucker-power. I suspect that, although it's not called out in the
    recipe I posted, the alum she added for "crispness" may have had
    something to do with that.

    My mom stopped using alum in pickles in the 1950s for a while when
    aluminum in food first got a bad rep. Friends of hers stopped using
    deodorants and threw out their aluminum cookware. (Subsequent
    research debunked all the unfounded weird claims). Some alternatives
    are: horseradish (root and leaves), lime (that's slaked lime,
    calcium oxide and not quick lime, calcium hydroxide) or oak, sour
    cherry leaves or grape leaves.

    The family cookbook that my grandmother kept and my mother had was
    taken by my sister after Mom snuffed it. She gave it to one of her daughters and no has seen it since.

    Too bad. I have the one my mom started in 1935 in high school for
    Home Ec. Part of the assignment was to interview her oldest living
    female relatives and take notes, so some the family recipes can be
    traced back to her parent's grandparents and great aunts. She
    stopped the project in 1939 when she graduated but resumed it in
    1947 when she got married and asked her MIL for Weller family
    favorites. That petered off until 1962 when we all moved to
    Ottawa and she made friends with Jewish, Swedish, Italian and
    Polish ladies so started learning new things. The last entry was in
    1965 and was actually a newspaper clipping and not a personal hand
    written recipe.

    I've posted this extract here before, long ago ...

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    Title: Aunt Ellen's Cornish Pasties
    Categories: British, Steak, Jw, Pies, Tnt
    Yield: 1 Batch

    Pie crust
    Cubed round steak
    Onions and potatoes
    Salt and pepper
    Optional:
    Turnip
    Leeks

    AUNT ELLEN NOTT'S CORNISH PASTY RECIPE

    Aunt Ellen was born in 1851 and was 85 years old when she taught me
    [Mabel Weller] (in Cornwall 1938) to make pasties. I like to think
    that she had been taught by her mother. The ingredients are simple:
    pie crust, cubed round steak, onions and potatoes, salt and pepper.
    Turnip or leeks can be used for a change of flavour. All ingredients
    are raw. Roll out pie crust and cut into rounds or ovals about the
    size of a butter plate. On one half of the pie crust arrange, in this
    order, a few slices of potato, a layer of onion, a pile of steak and
    the salt and pepper. Moisten the edge of the crust around the
    filling, and fold the bare crust over. Seal the edge very well or the
    onion juices will run out and make the pasty stick to the baking
    dish. Cut two vents in the top. Bake at 400 F for about an hour.
    Modern pasties seem to be made with leftovers: ground up cooked meat
    and left over assorted vegetables mixed together in a pastry which is
    joined in a thick roll at the top. This was reported by recent
    visitors to the U.K.

    From: Mabel Weller Posted by: Jim Weller

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    Cheers

    Jim


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  • From Dave Drum@1:229/452 to JIM WELLER on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 11:33:16
    JIM WELLER wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-

    cornichons [...] French [...] small, very sour gherkin pickle.
    harvested when they are just 1 to 2 inches long and very skinny.

    The gherkins I remember were about as large as my thumb (at
    that time)

    The Maille ones are barely 1 1/2" long and no more than 3/8" thick.

    That fits nicely as I was a pre-teen at the time.

    French cornichons [...] have little or no sugar

    So were the senf gherkins my grandmother made. Talk about
    pucker-power. I suspect that, although it's not called out in the
    recipe I posted, the alum she added for "crispness" may have had
    something to do with that.

    My mom stopped using alum in pickles in the 1950s for a while when aluminum in food first got a bad rep. Friends of hers stopped using deodorants and threw out their aluminum cookware. (Subsequent
    research debunked all the unfounded weird claims). Some alternatives
    are: horseradish (root and leaves), lime (that's slaked lime,
    calcium oxide and not quick lime, calcium hydroxide) or oak, sour
    cherry leaves or grape leaves.

    According to the USDA, alum may still safely be used to firm fermented cucumbers, but it does not improve the firmness of quick-process pickles.

    Old fashioned pickle recipes tend to include alum as a key ingredient.

    Alum is added to pickles to create the classic crispness and crunch of
    a good dill pickle. The use of alum for pickling is less common now
    because, while approved as a food additive, it has been deemed
    unnecessary in the pickling process.

    That said, alum continues to be used as a crisping agent in many
    favourite pickle recipes.

    The family cookbook that my grandmother kept and my mother had was
    taken by my sister after Mom snuffed it. She gave it to one of her daughters and no has seen it since.

    Too bad. I have the one my mom started in 1935 in high school for
    Home Ec. Part of the assignment was to interview her oldest living
    female relatives and take notes, so some the family recipes can be
    traced back to her parent's grandparents and great aunts. She
    stopped the project in 1939 when she graduated but resumed it in
    1947 when she got married and asked her MIL for Weller family
    favorites. That petered off until 1962 when we all moved to
    Ottawa and she made friends with Jewish, Swedish, Italian and
    Polish ladies so started learning new things. The last entry was in
    1965 and was actually a newspaper clipping and not a personal hand
    written recipe.

    I've posted this extract here before, long ago ...

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Aunt Ellen's Cornish Pasties
    Categories: British, Steak, Jw, Pies, Tnt
    Yield: 1 Batch

    I recall seeing it. It's now added to my archives. Couple questions as
    you have likely eaten of this recipe - does "cubed" really mean "diced"
    or does it mean "cubed" as in cubed steaks? And why would you need leeks
    when you already have onion? The recipe is from Cornwall not Wales. Bv)=

    I asked Bing for pickle recipes w/alum. This is what I got. No alum in
    it that I can see. Still, it looks good. And you can use the left-over watermelon flesh to make agua fresca or other cooler.

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    Title: Watermelon Pickles
    Categories: Fruits, Preserving
    Yield: 6 half-pints

    10 lb Watermelon
    6 c Water
    1/3 c Pickling salt
    Cold water
    3 1/2 c Sugar
    1 1/2 c White vinegar
    1 1/2 c Water
    1 (15") stick cinnamon;
    - broken
    2 ts Whole cloves

    Cut rind from watermelon (you should have about 4 1/2
    pounds rind). Trim off the pink flesh and the green and
    pale green outer portions of the watermelon rind;
    discard those portions. Cut the rind into 1-inch squares
    or other shapes. Measure 9 cups rind.

    Place the 9 cups rind in a large nonmetal bowl. In
    another large bowl, combine the 6 cups water and the
    pickling salt; pour over rind (add more water, if
    necessary, to cover). Cover bowl and allow to stand at
    room temperature overnight.

    Pour the rind mixture into a colander set in sink. Rinse
    mixture under cold running water; drain well. Transfer
    rind to a 4 quart heavy pot. Add enough cold water to
    cover rind. Bring to boiling; reduce heat. Simmer,
    covered, for 20 to 25 minutes or until rind is tender;
    drain.

    Meanwhile, for syrup, in a 6 to 8 quart stainless-steel,
    enamel, or nonstick heavy pot, combine sugar, vinegar,
    the 1 1/2 cups water, the stick cinnamon, and cloves.
    Bring to boiling, stirring until sugar dissolves; reduce
    heat. Simmer, uncovered, for 10 minutes. Strain mixture
    through a sieve, reserving liquids. Discard solids and
    return liquids to same pot.

    Add watermelon rind to syrup in pot. Bring to boiling;
    reduce heat. Simmer, covered, for 25 to 30 minutes or
    until rind is translucent.

    Pack hot rind and syrup into hot, sterilized half-pint
    canning jars, leaving a 1/2" headspace. Wipe jar rims;
    adjust lids.

    Process filled jars in a boiling-water canner for 10
    minutes (start timing when water returns to boiling).
    Remove jars from canner; cool on wire racks.

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.bhg.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Archives

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Jim Weller on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 08:22:04
    Hi Jim,

    ... Saddest book title in the world: Vegan Cooking For One

    Subtitled "One Is The Loneliest Number"? :D

    I cook for myself more often now and I am enjoying it.

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    Title: Pet Milk Coffee Cake
    Categories: Cakes, Breakfast, Desserts
    Yield: 12 Servings

    3 c Unbleached Flour
    2 c Sugar
    3 ts Baking Powder
    Pinch Of Salt
    1/2 c Butter
    1/2 c Regular Margarine
    2 lg Eggs, Well Beaten
    12 oz Pet Milk (1 Can)
    1 ts Vanilla Extract

    MMMMM--------------------------TOPPING-------------------------------
    1/2 c Cake Crumbs From The Cake
    Recipe
    1/2 c Brown Sugar, Firmly Packed
    1/2 c Chopped Nuts
    2 ts Cinnamon

    Sift the dry ingredients togher into a bowl. Add the margarine and
    butter then beat with an electric mixer ot make crumbs. Reserve 1/2
    cup of the crumbs for the topping. Add the milk, eggs and vanilla
    extract to the remaining crumbs and blend well. Make the topping.

    Grease a bundt pan well and put about 1/3 of the topping in the pan
    spreading evenly over the bottom. Add 1/3 of the batter and spread
    evenly over the topping. Add all of the remaining topping except 2
    Tbls of the topping to the top of the batter. Top with the reamining
    batter spreading evenly. Top with the 2 Tbls of topping sprinkling
    evenly over the top of the cake. Bake in a preheated 350 degree F.
    oven for 45 minutes or until the cake tests done. Cool on a wire
    rack.

    From The Food Fare Section Rocky Mountain News September 3, 1986

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    Later,
    Sean



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