• sugar in spaghetti sauce

    From JIM WELLER@1:123/140 to DALE SHIPP on Monday, July 22, 2019 22:56:00

    Quoting Dale Shipp to Michael Loo <=-

    Somehow, this recipe is just so wrong.
    Title: PEGGY'S CHILI (ALSO MAKES A GOOD SPAGHETTI SAUCE)
    1/2 c Brown Sugar
    1/8 c Cider Vinegar

    That is in fact wrong on so many levels but I singled out the sugar
    for comment. I know four people who put sugar in their spaghetti
    sauce. Lilli's mom (my Lilli not Michael's) would sometimes add a
    pinch of sugar to her pot decades ago. Older varieties of tomatoes
    were more acidic and less sweet than modern ones, to the point that
    tomatoes used to be safe to can in a hot water bath, not pressure
    canned. She used about 1 tsp per cauldron.

    My step daughter Raine adds about 1 tb per gallon because her dad
    did when she was a kid so she grew up with sweet Danish style sauce.

    Roslind's German FIL adds maybe 2 tb per gallon but also a lot of
    crushed chilies so it's still edible just weird.

    Raine's dad (whose background is half Danish, and a quarter each
    German and English) used to add about 1/2 cup per gallon like Peggy,
    above, does. He has cut that back to a 1/4 cup after decades of
    abuse and ridicule from dinner guests. [g]

    This mole sauce for meat uses sugar free tomato sauce.

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    Title: Guaxmole Or Huaxmole
    Categories: Mexican, Pork, Ribs, Sauces
    Servings: 4

    1 Lb pork ribs cut into small
    pieces
    1/3 white onion coarsely
    chopped
    1 Lb coarsely chopped tomatoes
    1/3 white onion coarsely
    chopped
    4 cloves of garlic
    2 TB lard
    10 oz guaje seeds
    6 serrano peppers
    6 lg cilantro springs
    8 corn tortillas

    Guaxmole (also known as "huaxmole" or "mole de guaje") is a dish
    that is prepared with guaje seeds (pronounced goo-ah-heh), which
    are also known as huaxin, cacalas, or cascalhuite. Guaje seeds are
    eaten in many ways, including dried, cooked, raw, or roasted. In its preparations it is used to add consistency to stews and cooked
    dishes. Huaxmolli comes from the Nahuatl words huaxin (guaje) and
    molli (stew/cooked dish). This is the guaje tree native to Mexico.

    The guaje used to make guaxmole comes from a tree that is not very
    good looking, but is still a source of foods for birds and humans
    alike. One can still see flocks of birds perched up on these trees
    peeling the pods away in order to eat the seeds. I have also seen
    some people gather them in order to sell them in the markets as a
    source of income. Guajes pods are among the foods that were gathered
    by the ancient Mexicans, along with wild mushrooms.

    1.In a medium size pot, barely cover the meat with water, add the
    onion and salt and cook over low heat until it is half cooked. Drain
    meat and save the broth.

    2.Blend the tomatoes with garlic and onion in a blender until you
    have a smooth puree.

    3.In a skillet heat the lard and saute the meat. Top with tomato
    sauce and cook over fairly high heat about 10 minutes, until it is
    well cooked and reduce slightly.

    4.Puree chiles with a cup of broth until mixture is kept smooth.
    Gradually add the guaje seeds and blend until mixture is smooth. Add
    it to the pan along with another cup of broth, cilantro and salt to
    taste and simmer, stirring and scraping the bottom of the pan to
    prevent sticking, about 45 minutes. The sauce should have a medium
    consistency, add more broth or water if you need to dilute it.

    Notes: Since these seeds are not available everywhere you can
    substitute them for pumpkin seeds. But then it will be called
    Pipian.

    By Guest Author: Carmen Mendoza

    Mely Martinez - Mexico in my Kitchen

    From: Mexicoinmykitchen.Com

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    Cheers

    Jim


    ... Adding sugar to grape juice is like adding caffeine to coffee

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Jim Weller on Wednesday, July 24, 2019 02:13:02
    On 07-22-19 22:56, Jim Weller <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about sugar in spaghetti sauce <=-


    Quoting Dale Shipp to Michael Loo <=-

    Somehow, this recipe is just so wrong.
    Title: PEGGY'S CHILI (ALSO MAKES A GOOD SPAGHETTI SAUCE)
    1/2 c Brown Sugar
    1/8 c Cider Vinegar

    That is in fact wrong on so many levels but I singled out the sugar
    for comment. I know four people who put sugar in their spaghetti

    My mother did that also.

    sauce. Lilli's mom (my Lilli not Michael's) would sometimes add a
    pinch of sugar to her pot decades ago. Older varieties of tomatoes
    were more acidic and less sweet than modern ones, to the point that tomatoes used to be safe to can in a hot water bath, not pressure
    canned. She used about 1 tsp per cauldron.

    Perhaps that is the (a) explanation. But, my mother's spaghetti sauce
    was just way too sweet. It is one thing my wife remembers about her
    cooking in a bad way. Another, in a very good way, was her fried
    chicken.

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    Title: Hot Tuna Heros
    Categories: D/g, Seafood, Sandwich, Boat
    Yield: 6 servings

    2 cn Tuna, drained (7 oz each)
    See Notes in Direction
    1 c Celery; chopped
    1 c Peas, frozen
    1/4 c Onion; finely diced
    4 sl Cheese, Swiss, cubed
    1/2 c Mayo; Hellmans, to moisten
    6 Buns, sub

    NOTE:

    Recently used one 12 oz can of white meat tuna (before draining) and
    cut all of the rest of the ingredients in half. Made 3 small sub
    size buns. Enough for dinner.

    Using original recipe - then cut in half. That will be enough for two
    sub buns.
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    Drain tuna; separate into small size chunks. Place in medium size
    bowl. Add celery, peas, cheese and onions, fold in mayo.

    Cut a wedge slice from top of each roll; hollow out inside, leaving a
    1/2 inch thick shell. Fill each roll with tuna fish mixture.
    Replace top. Wrap each roll separately in foil. Can be refrigerated
    for later.

    Preheat oven to 400 degrees. Bake 15 mins or until filling is hot
    and the buns are crisp. If they were refrigerated for later use -
    bake a few minutes longer.

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  • From JIM WELLER@1:123/140 to DALE SHIPP on Saturday, July 27, 2019 21:43:00
    Quoting Dale Shipp to Jim Weller <=-

    my mother's spaghetti sauce was just way too sweet.

    Some people, a lot of people actually, like it that way. Consider
    all the sugar and even HFCS in prepared jarred pasta sauces as
    opposed to pure tomato sauce. Almost all of them have added sugar of
    some kind. We don't buy pasta sauce just tomato sauce and canned
    tomatoes and make our own from scratch.

    I just downloaded a batch of sucker recipes. I wonder if anyone here
    has netted suckers during the spring spawning run. I used to do that
    as a kid for eating fresh, pickling like herring and to use as bait
    for game fish.

    This chowder is very tomatoey ...

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    Title: Boggy Sucker Chowder
    Categories: Fish, Soups
    Servings: 6

    3 1/2 lb skinned and boned Sucker
    fillets
    1/2 c chopped salt pork
    2 md onions, chopped
    1 c celery stalks and leaves,
    diced
    3 cloves garlic, chopped
    1 sm green pepper, chopped
    1 lg can of tomatoes
    1 cn tomato paste (large or small
    you decide)
    2 TB Worcestershire sauce
    1 ts liquid hot pepper sauce
    2 ts black pepper
    1 TB salt
    9 white potatoes cut into
    chunks
    3 lg carrots, sliced

    Cut Sucker fillets into chunks. In a large Dutch oven, fry salt pork
    until light brown. Add onions and cook until done. Add celery,
    garlic and green pepper and cook for 5 minutes. Add tomatoes, tomato
    paste, Worcestershire sauce, hot pepper sauce, pepper and salt. Cook
    10 minutes. Add 1 pint boiling water, potatoes and carrots. Cook
    until potatoes are nearly done. Add mullet chunks and simmer until
    the fish flakes easily when tested with a fork.

    From: Southendwalleyeslayer.Com/Sucker

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    Cheers

    Jim


    ... Sugar is in fact a vegetable.

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