• 569 large dissonance

    From MICHAEL LOO@1:123/140 to NANCY BACKUS on Sunday, June 23, 2019 10:42:04
    The facts were there. People in and out of the business
    actively ignored them, but the closer one was to the
    action, the more the outrage. I knew of them from the
    Cleveland and Chicago days (having had friends and
    acquaintances in both circles) and was aghast when
    Levine was given jobs at the Met and the BSO despite
    overwhelming evidence and credible testimony.
    Ah... so it does go way back, and still ignored by those who should have known better... as you say, being blinded by what they perceived as
    genius or at least great talent.... And I agree that even great genius wouldn't excuse that sort of behaviour...

    It was at one of those gigs where people would tape
    "child molestor" up over the "music director" sign
    on his door. To the best of my knowledge nobody was
    challenged, investigated, or disciplined for this all,
    on either side.

    True.... We've told the story of how the official make-up/recipe for Peanut Butter included shortening and sugar, so if one just sold peanuts ground into a butter one had to call it something other than peanut butter... And that 2% milk is allowed to use coconut oil to bring the
    fat content up to the requisite 2%....
    That's called "filled milk" and is acceptable in some
    jurisdictions but not others. It doesn't bother me
    (anyone who drinks milk deserves whatever s/he gets),
    It's why we (Richard and I) don't like to drink 2% (or 1%) milk... we've actually tasted it in there... Dunno if that's still allowed, but at
    one point, they didn't even have to label it as "filled milk" or list as
    an ingredient... Some of us don't have issues with milk... real milk, anyway.... :)

    The taste will vary based on the liquid used to dilute
    and the origin of the fat used to make up creaminiess.
    I myself have filled milk in recipes meant for my own
    consumption to cut down on the number of lactase pills
    I needed to use.

    Real milk has taste variations, too, largely from the
    feed used by the dairy but also (some say) from the
    breed of the cows.

    but what gets my ire up is that chocolate is now allowed
    to contain noncocoa fats in many countries.
    That's yet another abomination....

    Oh, don't you know it. And it's being countenanced in
    various countries, most notably in Great (or Lesser)
    Britain, where Cadbury and others successfully lobbied
    to be an exception to European purity laws.

    I've really been spoiled by Wegmans... we've been getting their flavored sparkling waters, non-sweetened, and I've found them a good way to stay hydrated without having other issues... and they now have them
    conveniently in 12 oz can 12-pks... Now, up in the North Country, not
    only could I not find it in that form, the one-liter bottles I bought
    turned out to have sucralose in them... I opened a bottle and was
    shocked by a sweet taste... The Wegmans sweetened ones say so on the
    main label, which these didn't... I'd run out of the supply I'd brought

    That is somewhat strange. Was the terminology at all
    different from what you are used to, and the ingredients
    list, what did it say?

    up with me... I did find a liter bottle today of Poland Spring lemon
    ("lively lemon") flavored sparkling water, in the cooler case at
    Nature's Storehouse... that will have to last me until I can get some
    more Wegmans water, maybe on my daytrip back tomorrow for a doctor appointment I couldn't reschedule.... forgot to take the sweetened
    waters back into town with me today, in the hopes of getting my money back....

    Poop. Would you know anyone who could use them? Or you
    could save them for the picnic for an experiment.

    Sometimes it's interesting, especially when it
    doesn't get out of hand. There have been
    performances that benefited from bizarre levels
    of nervous tension, angst even.
    If the adrenaline rises to meet the occasion... ;)
    There are any number of factors that contribute
    to an effective performance, and producer
    satisfaction is not necessarily one of them.
    True.

    Referring back to Kreisler and Heifetz, Itzhak
    Perlman says that

    he became the opposite of Kreisler, who would play
    as if saying, "Here's a beautiful tune", whereas
    Heifetz would demand, "You! Listen to this!"

    Heifetz wasn't relevant to the story and might or might
    not have been dead at the time. I never met the man,
    though I did encounter a niece of his, who unfortunately
    looked just like him (didn't play like him, though - only
    Erick Friedman and possibly Fredell Lack played like him).
    Poor child... ;)

    I believe she became something other than a musician.

    There are these two brothers I've known, Danny and Ronny
    Heifetz, no apparent relation to the supereminent one.
    Danny became a violinist but luckily had a bunch of talent
    and ended up concertizing widely and teaching at Juilliard
    and Peabody, among other places. Ronny was a cellist whom
    I used to work with but who decided not to go on in music
    - he ended up a professor at the K-School and is head of
    some kind of institute at Harvard.

    ... All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt

    Chocolate is less fickle, as well.

    Topping
    Categories: dessert, garnish
    Serves: 15

    2 c sour cream
    1/2 c packed brown sugar
    1/2 ts vanilla extract
    3 c sliced fresh strawberries

    Mix sour cream, brown sugar and vanilla until smooth.
    Serve over cola cake and topped with strawberries.

    Taste Of Home via Elliah Heifetz, singinthekitchen.com
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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to MICHAEL LOO on Friday, June 28, 2019 13:52:00
    Quoting Michael Loo to Nancy Backus on 06-23-19 10:42 <=-

    The facts were there. People in and out of the business
    actively ignored them, but the closer one was to the action,
    the more the outrage. I knew of them from the Cleveland and
    Chicago days (having had friends and acquaintances in both
    circles) and was aghast when Levine was given jobs at the Met
    and the BSO despite overwhelming evidence and credible testimony.
    Ah... so it does go way back, and still ignored by those who should have known better... as you say, being blinded by what they perceived as
    genius or at least great talent.... And I agree that even great genius wouldn't excuse that sort of behaviour...
    It was at one of those gigs where people would tape "child
    molestor" up over the "music director" sign on his door. To
    the best of my knowledge nobody was challenged, investigated,
    or disciplined for this all, on either side.

    An interesting culture...

    True.... We've told the story of how the official make-up/recipe for Peanut Butter included shortening and sugar, so if one just sold peanuts ground into a butter one had to call it something other than peanut butter... And that 2% milk is allowed to use coconut oil to bring the
    fat content up to the requisite 2%....
    That's called "filled milk" and is acceptable in some
    jurisdictions but not others. It doesn't bother me
    (anyone who drinks milk deserves whatever s/he gets),
    It's why we (Richard and I) don't like to drink 2% (or 1%) milk... we've actually tasted it in there... Dunno if that's still allowed, but at
    one point, they didn't even have to label it as "filled milk" or list as
    an ingredient... Some of us don't have issues with milk... real milk, anyway.... :)
    The taste will vary based on the liquid used to dilute
    and the origin of the fat used to make up creaminiess.

    Exactly.

    I myself have filled milk in recipes meant for my own
    consumption to cut down on the number of lactase pills
    I needed to use.

    And that makes sense in your case....

    Real milk has taste variations, too, largely from the
    feed used by the dairy but also (some say) from the
    breed of the cows.

    That is true.... and also from when the cow is freshening... We usually
    taste all those variations, too...

    but what gets my ire up is that chocolate is now allowed
    to contain noncocoa fats in many countries.
    That's yet another abomination....
    Oh, don't you know it. And it's being countenanced in
    various countries, most notably in Great (or Lesser)
    Britain, where Cadbury and others successfully lobbied
    to be an exception to European purity laws.

    Sigh.

    I've really been spoiled by Wegmans... we've been getting their flavored sparkling waters, non-sweetened, and I've found them a good way to stay hydrated without having other issues... and they now have them
    conveniently in 12 oz can 12-pks... Now, up in the North Country, not
    only could I not find it in that form, the one-liter bottles I bought
    turned out to have sucralose in them... I opened a bottle and was
    shocked by a sweet taste... The Wegmans sweetened ones say so on the
    main label, which these didn't... I'd run out of the supply I'd brought
    That is somewhat strange. Was the terminology at all
    different from what you are used to, and the ingredients
    list, what did it say?

    The front label just said (x) flavored sparkling water, and the brand...
    I used to get the sweetened ones for MJ, but I don't remember now
    whether or not the sweetened aspect was mentioned on the label... I
    thought it was, though... I only checked the ingredients list after the
    fact, and the sucralose was listed there, along with all sorts of other stuff....

    up with me... I did find a liter bottle today of Poland Spring lemon ("lively lemon") flavored sparkling water, in the cooler case at
    Nature's Storehouse... that will have to last me until I can get some
    more Wegmans water, maybe on my daytrip back tomorrow for a doctor appointment I couldn't reschedule.... forgot to take the sweetened
    waters back into town with me today, in the hopes of getting my money back....
    Poop. Would you know anyone who could use them? Or you
    could save them for the picnic for an experiment.

    The next trip into town, I did take them back, and they did give me my
    money back, even on the opened bottle.... so don't need to rehome
    them... If you want the experiment for the picnic, I could buy a bottle
    for the purpose... (G)

    Sometimes it's interesting, especially when it
    doesn't get out of hand. There have been
    performances that benefited from bizarre levels
    of nervous tension, angst even.
    If the adrenaline rises to meet the occasion... ;)
    There are any number of factors that contribute
    to an effective performance, and producer
    satisfaction is not necessarily one of them.
    True.
    Referring back to Kreisler and Heifetz, Itzhak
    Perlman says that
    he became the opposite of Kreisler, who would play
    as if saying, "Here's a beautiful tune", whereas
    Heifetz would demand, "You! Listen to this!"

    I suppose both ways have their place.... I generally prefer the former, though....

    Heifetz wasn't relevant to the story and might or might
    not have been dead at the time. I never met the man,
    though I did encounter a niece of his, who unfortunately
    looked just like him (didn't play like him, though - only
    Erick Friedman and possibly Fredell Lack played like him).
    Poor child... ;)
    I believe she became something other than a musician.

    Just as well.. :)

    There are these two brothers I've known, Danny and Ronny
    Heifetz, no apparent relation to the supereminent one.
    Danny became a violinist but luckily had a bunch of talent
    and ended up concertizing widely and teaching at Juilliard
    and Peabody, among other places. Ronny was a cellist whom
    I used to work with but who decided not to go on in music
    - he ended up a professor at the K-School and is head of
    some kind of institute at Harvard.

    Does he (Ronny) still play for his own enjoyment...?

    ... All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt
    Chocolate is less fickle, as well.

    Generally... ;)

    ttyl neb

    ... Mary had a little LAMB. The doctor was surprised.

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