Hallo All!

this is a test

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
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Hi Maurice,

On 2018-05-17 17:03:15, you wrote to All:

@MSGID: 2:280/464.113 5afdb5d3
Hallo All!

this is a test

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
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@PATH: 280/464

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hallo Wilfred!

Thank you for the reply to the test which wasn't really the test. The real test was the routed netmail that was packed in the same raw pkt. It managed to
find it's way, not that it really matters as I didn't plan on netmailing anyone
other than you on the EuroPoint.

Looks like it is all setup now. :::knock on wood:::

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
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Hey Maurice!

Looks like it is all setup now.

Yes, including the routed netmail, not that it had to work. The EuroPoint out to be a very good idea. :-)

Life is good,
Maurice

... Don't cry for me I have vi.
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On 2018 May 17 17:03:14, you wrote to All:

@MSGID: 2:280/464.113 5afdb5d3
Hallo All!

this is a test

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
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SEEN-BY: 123/150 755 135/300 153/7715 154/10 203/0 218/700 220/60 221/0 SEEN-BY: 222/2 227/0 229/426 230/150 152 240/1120 5832 250/1 261/38 100 1466
SEEN-BY: 266/404 512 267/155 275/100 280/464 1027 5003 282/1031 1056 291/1 SEEN-BY: 291/111 310/31 320/119 219 340/400 342/13 393/68 396/45 423/120 SEEN-BY: 712/848 770/1 801/161 189 2320/0 1 100 105 3634/12 15 22 24 27 50 SEEN-BY: 5020/830 1042
@PATH: 280/464 2320/100 261/38 3634/12

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On 2018 May 17 18:33:58, you wrote to you:

Looks like it is all setup now.

Yes, including the routed netmail, not that it had to work.

it basically had to work because the only difference, when processing a raw PKT, between netmail and echomail is the ^AAREA control line ;)

The EuroPoint out to be a very good idea. :-)

points can be handy, yes...

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Hallo mark!

it basically had to work because the only difference, when
processing a raw PKT, between netmail and echomail is the ^AAREA
control line ;)

Errr ... if I am not mistaken, AREA is not prefixed with 0x01 but I do get the point. What really worked is that it managed to arrive at it's intended destination. ;-)

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
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Hello Maurice,

Looks like it is all setup now. :::knock on wood:::

What was the last changing you made?

Henri.

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Hallo Henri!

What was the last changing you made?

Just added routed netmail capabilities. It can be reached directly but since it isn't nodelisted it isn't obvious how. With the recent changes it should be
no problem to reach via routed netmail and hopefully it will reply correctly. :::knock on wood:::

Care to test it out?

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
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On 2018 May 18 17:22:32, you wrote to me:

it basically had to work because the only difference, when processing
a raw PKT, between netmail and echomail is the ^AAREA control line ;)

Errr ... if I am not mistaken, AREA is not prefixed with 0x01 but I do
get the point.

yeah, that's one of those flaws in the documentation... some tossers put 0x01 and others don't so you have to watch for both... remember, too, that the documentation comes from "The Conference Mail System" which was only used for a
few short years... the documentation has never been updated since... it even talks about the old method that ARCmail used to extract newly arrived messages to the netmail area and then to rescan them again to move them to their proper area... this was all the real sticky stuff back in the day when echomail was introduced...

What really worked is that it managed to arrive at it's intended destination. ;-)

both arrived here and will be leaving on a routed trip back to you when this one leaves here...

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Hi Maurice,

On 2018-05-19 10:53:58, mark lewis wrote to you:

What really worked is that it managed to arrive at it's intended
destination. ;-)

both arrived here and will be leaving on a routed trip back to you when this one leaves here...

@PATH: 3634/12 261/38 393/68 770/1 280/464

Surprisingly above path was faster then this one:

@PATH: 3634/12 154/10

... But only by 3 seconds. ;)

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hallo mark!

yeah, that's one of those flaws in the documentation

:::sigh:::

both arrived here and will be leaving on a routed trip back to
you when this one leaves here...

Excellent! Thank you.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
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Hallo Wilfred!

@PATH: 3634/12 261/38 393/68 770/1 280/464

Surprisingly above path was faster then this one:

That is the path of destruction. I notice that mark's reply has additional linefeeds that don't exist on this one;

@PATH: 3634/12 154/10

... But only by 3 seconds. ;)

That is odd. However at least this path preserved the message as sent as far as I can tell. Only mark can say for sure but after seeing it happen to my messages I definetly see the same happening to mark's.

At least I am not the only one.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
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Re: test
By: mark lewis to Maurice Kinal on Sat May 19 2018 10:53 am

0x01 and others don't so you have to watch for both... remember, too, that the documentation comes from "The Conference Mail System" which was only used for a few short years... the documentation has never been updated since... it even talks about the old method that ARCmail used to extract

OH LOL! I started with CONFMAIL! My first tosser.


xxcarol
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Hallo Carol!

OH LOL! I started with CONFMAIL! My first tosser.

Are you bragging or complaining?

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
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Re: test
By: Maurice Kinal to Carol Shenkenberger on Sat May 19 2018 11:55 pm

OH LOL! I started with CONFMAIL! My first tosser.

Are you bragging or complaining?

Neither, that was what there was then!

xxcarol
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Hey Carol!

Neither, that was what there was then!

Probably just as well. I did find some documentation and it claimed there is (was?) no ^A prefix on AREA which matches what I see today. I have an old pkt mark sent me way back when for backwards compatibility testing purposes and near as I can tell there are no ^A prefixes on any of the +180 messages in that
raw pkt.

Using the subject's null character terminator I get this;

-={ grep -Pao "\x00AREA" ./testing/E6614010.PKT | wc -l }=-
186

whereas a prefixed ^A shows;

-={ grep -Pao "\x01AREA" ./testing/E6614010.PKT | wc -l }=-
0

The first message in that raw pkt gives the FTN datetime stamp of "26 May 94 14:39:15" which is the same year as the latest version of CONFMAIL that I can find. I found nothing older than that. I am guessing there is an archive of a
prior version somewhere.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Don't cry for me I have vi.
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Hi! xxCarol,

On 19 May 18 21:23, you wrote to Maurice Kinal:

OH LOL! I started with CONFMAIL! My first tosser.

Are you bragging or complaining?

Neither, that was what there was then!

Please let yourself speak freely for once. You deserve it. Go ahead and BRAG.

Then try to say later that it didn't feel good. ;-)

Cheers,
Paul.

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On 2018 May 19 17:24:00, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

@PATH: 3634/12 261/38 393/68 770/1 280/464

Surprisingly above path was faster then this one:

That is the path of destruction. I notice that mark's reply has

additional

linefeeds that don't exist on this one;

that's interesting...

@PATH: 3634/12 154/10

... But only by 3 seconds. ;)

That is odd. However at least this path preserved the message as sent
as far as I can tell. Only mark can say for sure but after seeing it happen to my messages I definetly see the same happening to mark's.

there's two mystic systems in the LF-adding path... i know that one of them stays on top of the latest mystic code... i'm not sure about the other... you'd
have to check with them to be sure... one or both of them might even give you another point address if you ask them...

At least I am not the only one.

they say misery loves company but i don't know about that...

)\/(ark

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On 2018 May 19 19:28:32, you wrote to me:

0x01 and others don't so you have to watch for both... remember, too,
that the documentation comes from "The Conference Mail System" which
was only used for a few short years... the documentation has never
been updated since... it even talks about the old method that ARCmail
used to extract

OH LOL! I started with CONFMAIL! My first tosser.

a lot of folks did... when i came back, we were fighting with RA using the HMB and trying to get the QBBS tosser stuff to work... we could only get it to go one way, though... either scanning out newly written test messages or tossing in newly arrived bundles... we never did get it working properly going both ways... suddenly the original IMail appeared and then we were off to the races!

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On 2018 May 20 02:40:10, you wrote to Carol Shenkenberger:

Neither, that was what there was then!

Probably just as well. I did find some documentation and it claimed there is (was?) no ^A prefix on AREA which matches what I see today. I have an old pkt mark sent me way back when for backwards compatibility testing purposes and near as I can tell there are no ^A prefixes on any of the

+180

messages in that raw pkt.

i may be confusing the area control line with another one that has both forms...

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Hallo mark!

they say misery loves company but i don't know about that

:-)

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
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Hallo mark!

i may be confusing the area control line with another one that
has both forms...

That sounds entirely probable.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
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Hallo mark!

there's two mystic systems in the LF-adding path... i know that
one of them stays on top of the latest mystic code...

Which means what? I have no idea about new or old mystic code regarding echoarea formats, especially wrt proper word wrapping.

one or both of them might even give you another point address if
you ask them...

If they require a user like myself then I'd be happy to help out but to be honest I still need to take care of 1:153/7001 if that is to be developed as a source for users who wish to use a likeminded setup as an offline messaging system. Given the format is almost identical to the FTN packed message format then every node in Fidonet potentially could supply offline packets to anyone wishing a superior offline system compared to the current offlining software which leaves much to be desired, to say the least. If not then at the very least I now have a very capable point which out performs most - if indeed not all - Fidonet nodes currently in existance when it comes to posted messages in echoareas. If not the best, it easily could become the best.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
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Hey Maurice!

If not the best, it easily could become the best.

Looks great from this angle.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Don't cry for me I have vi.
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Hallo Maurice!

Looks great from this angle.

You have some catching up to do. :-)

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
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Hey Maurice!

@PATH: 280/464 203/0 266/404 261/38 153/7715

Veel beter!

Far less DOS-think along that path. :-)

Life is good,
Maurice

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On 2018 May 21 08:57:02, you wrote to me:

there's two mystic systems in the LF-adding path... i know that one
of them stays on top of the latest mystic code...

Which means what? I have no idea about new or old mystic code
regarding echoarea formats, especially wrt proper word wrapping.

the mail you are talkin gabout being infested with LFs is traveling through them... it is possible one or both of them is adding those unwanted LFs...

one or both of them might even give you another point address if
you ask them...

If they require a user like myself then I'd be happy to help out

i thought you were trying to track down the source of the LFs being added to messages in transit??

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On 2018 May 21 11:53:10, I wrote to you:

@REPLY: 2:280/464.113 5b0289de
@MSGID: 1:3634/12.73 5b02ebcf
@PID: GED+LNX 1.1.5-b20150715
@CHRS: CP437 2
@TZUTC: -0400

FWIW: the above left this point with only CRs (0x0d) in the message body...

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Hallo mark!

the mail you are talkin gabout being infested with LFs is
traveling through them

Originally it was my messages which you pointed out as being infested. At the time I wasn't aware that it was happening and as it turned out it wasn't anything here that was corrupting them. Since then I've noticed others are being infested as well such as yours. Also I'd like to correct that they are additional CRs and not LFs although I have seen messages with the CR/LF combinations recently, but that is a different can of worms.

As of today it appears to have been resolved. :::knock on wood:::

i thought you were trying to track down the source of the LFs
being added to messages in transit??

Sorry but I got distracted. I believe at the time I stated I'd end up regretting it.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
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Hallo mark!

FWIW: the above left this point with only CRs (0x0d) in the
message body...

Yes. Both "@MSGID: 1:3634/12.73 5b02ebcf" and "@MSGID: 1:3634/12.73 5b02f05e" arrived intact from what I see in the raw pkts. Also the long lines with only one CR at the end in "@MSGID: 1:3634/12.73 5b02ebcf" were preserved as they should be. Hopefully the same can be said for this reply. According to the statusline at the bottom of the editor this line is 425 characters long (not counting the CR at the end).

Hopefully this issue is now resolved.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
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Hey Maurice!

Hopefully this issue is now resolved.

We shall soon find out. If this line in this reply is indeed long when it arrives there then I'd say we're in business.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Don't cry for me I have vi.
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Hey Maurice!

We shall soon find out. If this line in this reply is indeed long when it arrives there then I'd say we're in business.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Don't cry for me I have vi.
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This is a test message. Please bear with me.

That one looks good all around.. :)

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Re: test
By: Glenn Rossi to All on Tue Oct 08 2019 11:04 pm

This is a test message. Please bear with me.

Got it! Proper tagline too.

xxcarol
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On 2019 Oct 08 23:04:42, you wrote to All:

@TZUTC: -0400
@MSGID: 5.fidonet_asianlin@1:275/301 22028450
@PID: Synchronet 3.17b-Win32 Jan 1 2019 MSC 1800
@TID: SBBSecho 3.06-Win32 r3.101 Jan 1 2019 MSC 1800
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SEEN-BY: 15/0 19/36 34/999 90/1 104/57 106/201 116/18 123/140 153/7715 218/700
SEEN-BY: 222/2 230/150 152 240/1120 250/1 261/38 100 1466 266/512 267/155 SEEN-BY: 275/0 89 91 93 95 96 98 100 101 201 301 282/1031 1056 291/1 111 SEEN-BY: 320/119 219 340/400 342/13 396/45 640/1321 712/848 801/161 189 SEEN-BY: 2320/105 3634/12 5020/715 1042 116/116 123/25 150 755 135/300 154/10
SEEN-BY: 3634/15 27 50 123/50 115 300/4 3634/0 18/0 123/0 1/120
@PATH: 275/301 100 261/38 3634/12

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