"We're not going to make America great again. It was never great."

These words of wisdom, brought to you by Andrew Cuomo, are some good ones to think about if you're voting in NY this November, or if this loser runs for president in 2020.

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"We're not going to make America great again. It was never great."
These words of wisdom, brought to you by Andrew Cuomo, are some good ones to think about if you're voting in NY this November, or if this loser runs for president in 2020.

The people most likely to vote for him are probably the ones who believe
that. :(

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The people most likely to vote for him are probably the ones who believe that. :(

I wonder if that's a good or bad thing? I hope that most voters appreciate
the USA, and that most of those who appreciate the USA will vote!

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Hello Aaron,

"We're not going to make America great again. It was never great."

These words of wisdom, brought to you by Andrew Cuomo, are some good ones to >think about if you're voting in NY this November, or if this loser runs for >president in 2020.

What makes you think he is a loser? Winning two terms as governor,
going on three, is the sign of a sure winner.

He would be a credible candidate for president, if he so chooses
to throw his hat into the ring. However, with so many other credible candidates vowing to run in 2020, perhaps 25 or so, he may find it
best to bide his time until 2024, when voters will beg him to run
after eight years of Trumpism.

OTOH, after the 2020 election, President Eric Holder might decide
to appoint him AG so he will not be able to run, and all will be well.

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Hello Mike,

"We're not going to make America great again. It was never great."
These words of wisdom, brought to you by Andrew Cuomo, are some good ones
to
think about if you're voting in NY this November, or if this loser runs for >>president in 2020.

The people most likely to vote for him are probably the ones who believe >that. :(

He's won two terms, going on three ...

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Hello Aaron,

The people most likely to vote for him are probably the ones who
believe that. :(

I wonder if that's a good or bad thing?

In the last presidential election, over two-thirds of all registered
voters stayed home. While Secretary Clinton did manage to get almost
three million more votes than her opponent, she still "lost" the
election due to the electoral college.

Rather than having two candidates from the state of New York
duke it out next time, what should be done is hold an election
between two guys from Queens. That should really excite the
masses.

I hope that most voters appreciate the USA, and that most of those who
appreciate the USA will vote!

"We're not gonna make America great again. It was never that great."
~ NY Governor Andrew Cuomo, 8/15/2018

Maybe that is the reason why two-thirds of all registered voters
stayed home, not bothering to vote for any candidate in the last
presidential election. If it was just one candidate who voters
did not believe, things would have been different. But NONE of
the candidates excited the voters. Absolutely none.

Barack Obama crushed John McCain in 2008. Everybody respects
John McCain, a true patriot of our times. Yet most voters found
Barack Obama far more exciting, and took a chance on the first-
term US Senator to serve as President.

Four years later, it was no contest. Barack Obama crushed his
opponent by an even worse score. Mitt Romney ran what many regard
as the worst presidential campaign in history, which undoubtedly
doomed what little chance he had to begin with.

Today we have a total doofus in the White House, who apparently
thinks his whole gig is some kind of weird reality tv show. How
he expects to win a second term in office is beyond me.

"We have not reached greatness. We will reach greatness when
every American is fully engaged."
~ Andrew Cuomo, 8/15/18

Donald Trump managed to get enough of his own supporters "fully
engated" so as to get himself elected president. But will he be
able to do so again, after failing to deliver on most of his
promises?

What can other candidates do in order to get their supporters
"fully engaged"? Promises that can't keep are becoming old news.
Just getting folks mad at the incumbent is not enough. Out with
the old and in with the new is an old game, and everybody knows
it.

"We will reach greatness when discrimination and stereotyping
against women, 51 percent of our population, is gone. And every
woman's full potential is realized an unleashed and every woman
is making her full contribution. When that happens, this nation
is going to be taken even higher."
~ Andrew Cuomo, 8/15/18

In other words, a pipe dream.

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What makes you think he is a loser? Winning two terms as governor,
going on three, is the sign of a sure winner.

I'm calling him a loser because of the way things are in upstate NY. The economy is weak, and without promise. Manufacturing has dwindled, infrastructure looks like garbage, checks and

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aaron thomas wrote to Lee Lofaso on 08-24-18 23:15 <=-

What makes you think he is a loser? Winning two terms as governor,
going on three, is the sign of a sure winner.

I'm calling him a loser because of the way things are in upstate NY.
The economy is weak, and without promise. Manufacturing has dwindled, infrastructure looks like garbage, checks and

Funny how Forbes states that Albany, NY was 7th on the list in the country where manufacturing is thriving and had a 17.6% gain in manufacturing jobs from 2011-2016.

Here's a site that will explain how their funding economic development:

https://esd.ny.gov/esd-media-center/esd-blog/nys-initiatives-by-the-numbers-2018

You'd be surprised....


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duke it out next time, what should be done is hold an election
between two guys from Queens. That should really excite the

That would work for me!

Barack Obama crushed John McCain in 2008. Everybody respects
John McCain, a true patriot of our times. Yet most voters found
Barack Obama far more exciting, and took a chance on the first-

Were they excited about "affordable health care for all Americans?" I too was excited about that, but wasn't surprised when it never happened.

opponent by an even worse score. Mitt Romney ran what many regard
as the worst presidential campaign in history, which undoubtedly

I wanted that horrible man to win! Solely because Obama failed at his cornerstone promise.

Today we have a total doofus in the White House, who apparently
thinks his whole gig is some kind of weird reality tv show. How

As huge of a Trump supporter as I am, I'll agree that he's a little out of touch. However, I'll disagree on this:

engated" so as to get himself elected president. But will he be
able to do so again, after failing to deliver on most of his
promises?

He's held a tough stance on illegal immigration, which I appreciate. The
travel ban is a bonus too. Opening up the coal mines is great. Strengthening the American automotive industry is nice too!

He's failed to deliver the wall, so far, which is disappointing. Also failed
to abolish ACA, which is even worse. But this whole time, I see him arguing
for these things, which makes me proud.

~ Andrew Cuomo, 8/15/18

In other words, a pipe dream.

Absolutely. What else does he want to promote? Abolish racism? End mass-shootings? Everyone gets laid? The poor guy has less of a chance than
dear ol' Obama.

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Funny how Forbes states that Albany, NY was 7th on the list in the

But it's funny how you mention Albany; one out of 2 of Cuomo's main targets, with the other being NYC.

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aaron thomas wrote to Bill McGarrity on 08-30-18 00:46 <=-

Funny how Forbes states that Albany, NY was 7th on the list in the

But it's funny how you mention Albany; one out of 2 of Cuomo's main targets, with the other being NYC.

Targets? How so?. Are you saying he's targeted those areas for an increase in manufacturing? By the same report, NYC is losing manufacturing jobs at a pretty good rate. So which one is it?


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Am 30 Aug 18 00:42:18 schrob aaron thomas an Lee Lofaso zum Thema
<Re: Andrew Cuomo>

Strengthening the American automotive industry is nice too!

How? By making them pay tariffs on steel and aluminum? Or by having everyone else introducing tariffs on US products? He keeps talking about Chrysler cars in Germany. If you go to http://chrysler.de, it says that they're not selling them in Germany. And I think, I've seen only three in real life, a Crossfire, a
Matiz and a Spark. Moreover, Chrysler is a brand of an Italian company.
What we do have a lot is Fords, they're about 10% of all cars currently licensed. However, not what you're thinking of, Ford in Germany does not mean F250 or Crown Victorya, it means Ka and Fiesta, the very low price segment. On the Other hand, the Mercedes and BMW that you can buy in the US are only the high priced ones. Now let's introduce tariffs on both sides, let's say 20 percent. The Ford Ka currently is available for 10,000 EUR, it's prices would rise to 12,000 EUR. Noone is going to pay that, you can get a small VW, Smart, Hyundai, Toyota, Peugeot, Fiat, Dacia, Daewoo, Suzuki, Mitsubishi or Mazda for 10,000.
I don't think anyone buying an AMG C63 or M 3 cares about paying another 20,000
Dollars, that's less than he paid for the rims ...



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Targets? How so?. Are you saying he's targeted those areas for an
increase in manufacturing? By the same report, NYC is losing
manufacturing jobs at a pretty good rate. So which one is it?

The smaller cities get taken for granted all the time. Albany's manufacturing jobs are thriving? That's cool. But in Binghamton we've seen dozens of companies move overseas and/or or to other states with lower taxes. Not that it's the governor's fault for any wrongdoing, but he has the authority to do something about it, but doesn't. Again, not just his fault; our state senators don't care either.

Have you seen this hero in action in Puerto Rico? We have a major flooding problem in Binghamton too. Our mayor is seeking federal funding to widen the rivers, but our governor is busy in Puerto Rico trying to make a name for himself.

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aaron thomas wrote to Bill McGarrity on 08-31-18 11:19 <=-

Targets? How so?. Are you saying he's targeted those areas for an
increase in manufacturing? By the same report, NYC is losing
manufacturing jobs at a pretty good rate. So which one is it?

The smaller cities get taken for granted all the time. Albany's manufacturing jobs are thriving? That's cool. But in Binghamton we've
seen dozens of companies move overseas and/or or to other states with lower taxes. Not that it's the governor's fault for any wrongdoing, but
he has the authority to do something about it, but doesn't. Again, not just his fault; our state senators don't care either.

I thought the Thousand Islands area was booming with drone technology. If you read the site I gave you it's a breakdown on how the State is distributing money to industry. It's a good read.

Have you seen this hero in action in Puerto Rico? We have a major
flooding problem in Binghamton too. Our mayor is seeking federal
funding to widen the rivers, but our governor is busy in Puerto Rico trying to make a name for himself.

Well, As of now the Feds don't have any money. They can't give their employees a raise, they want to slash SS, Medicare and Medicaid to help pay for a nonsense tax break and he wants to give the rich another $100billion tax cut. I know what you're going to say, look at the stock market. Yes, it's doing well. With corporations using well over $700billion of their tax relief to buy back stocks, what would you expect.

Basic manufacturing in NYS is a thing of the past. As long as states are pushing right to work, those states that protect their workers will lose jobs.


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As huge of a Trump supporter as I am, I'll agree that he's a little out of touch. However, I'll disagree on this:

What presidents lately have not been out of touch? The Clintons acted it
but really were not. I think Trump is more in touch than Obama or the
Bushes were, but that is not saying much.

~ Andrew Cuomo, 8/15/18

In other words, a pipe dream.

Absolutely. What else does he want to promote? Abolish racism? End mass-shootings? Everyone gets laid? The poor guy has less of a chance than dear ol' Obama.

Promise freebees and to get rid of all of society's woes? That is
impossible but is also a winning strategy among the same folks who voted
for Obama, supported Bernie, and will likely support whoever the Democrats
put up next.

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I thought the Thousand Islands area was booming with drone technology.
If you read the site I gave you it's a breakdown on how the State is

That sounds good and interesting. I haven't heard about it. It doesn't hurt
to be optimistic; hating Cuomo and discounting everything he says or does is probably a mistake. It just burns me up to see my hometown getting more and more desolate every year. The only reason I live here is because of the cheap (lousy therefore cheap) housing. It's probably a sickness of mine that leads
me to think that it's due to the fact that there's not many work
opportunities here anymore, but that's not totally the state government's fault.

I see potential for stuff, but I'm not an expert. But could it really hurt to open a few zones to tax-free business? How could that not help our local economy and get some fresh paint slathered on this piece of rusty old junk?

I tried to follow your link, but either my NetRunner isn't copying properly,
or the link is expired.

pay for a nonsense tax break and he wants to give the rich another $100billion tax cut. I know what you're going to say, look at the stock

I've heard this sort of thing talked about before, but not in the news (I
watch many news channels.) Which rich people are in line for this tax cut? Individuals? Corporations? Point me in the right direction, because I just haven't heard all the details of this story.

Basic manufacturing in NYS is a thing of the past. As long as states are pushing right to work, those states that protect their workers will lose jobs.

I'm not doubting what you're saying, but I just don't follow. Can you explain this a bit more? I don't get the first or 2nd part, but why does
manufacturing in NYS have to be a thing of the past, and why can't it be revived? We have metal, why not mine it and sell it, just like the coal?

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but really were not. I think Trump is more in touch than Obama or the Bushes were, but that is not saying much.

For me it says a lot! Obama made me sick on several occasions. When Trump speaks, I click with almost everything he says. The only stuff I disagree
with him on is petty, minor rude comments that he makes, but, nobody's
perfect.

Promise freebees and to get rid of all of society's woes? That is

I was one of those panhandlers! I didn't vote in the 08 election, but I wanted Obama to win because I fell for the ACA gimmick. I was a hard-working man and couldn't afford a doctor for anything. I felt entitled to the medical handout, but just because I was desperate, doesn't mean I was owed something that I couldn't afford to buy.

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I thought the Thousand Islands area was booming with drone technology.
If you read the site I gave you it's a breakdown on how the State is

That sounds good and interesting. I haven't heard about it. It doesn't hurt to be optimistic; hating Cuomo and discounting everything he says
or does is probably a mistake. It just burns me up to see my hometown getting more and more desolate every year. The only reason I live here
is because of the cheap (lousy therefore cheap) housing. It's probably
a sickness of mine that leads me to think that it's due to the fact
that there's not many work opportunities here anymore, but that's not totally the state government's fault.

https://esd.ny.gov/industry-spotlight-drones-central-new-york

I see potential for stuff, but I'm not an expert. But could it really
hurt to open a few zones to tax-free business? How could that not help
our local economy and get some fresh paint slathered on this piece of rusty old junk?

Tax-free zones aren't always what they're cracked up to be unless the one receiving the tax break is willing to totally invest within that area. Once the terms of the original deal are done they try and renegociate more time or threaten to leave. It is smart business practice to a degree but remember that statement, you didn't build it alone... well, excessive tax breaks paid for by locals helped. Some people can't seem to understand that part. If said company got a 20 year tax break and took at $2million dollar company to a $2billion, then I'm sure some of the success was dependent upon not paying taxes.

I tried to follow your link, but either my NetRunner isn't copying properly, or the link is expired.

I doubt very much it expired... it's the nys.gov site.

pay for a nonsense tax break and he wants to give the rich another $100billion tax cut. I know what you're going to say, look at the stock

I've heard this sort of thing talked about before, but not in the news
(I watch many news channels.) Which rich people are in line for this
tax cut? Individuals? Corporations? Point me in the right direction, because I just haven't heard all the details of this story.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/30/us/politics/trump-tax-cuts-rich.html

Basic manufacturing in NYS is a thing of the past. As long as states are pushing right to work, those states that protect their workers will lose jobs.

I'm not doubting what you're saying, but I just don't follow. Can you explain this a bit more? I don't get the first or 2nd part, but why
does manufacturing in NYS have to be a thing of the past, and why can't
it be revived? We have metal, why not mine it and sell it, just like
the coal?

NYS is considered a pro-union state. States who have passed Right to Work laws are basically union-busting. Before retirement, I would put together multi-million dollar bid packages for the state that required me to use prevailing labor rates as determined by the state on a yearly basis. What that means all labor rates were consistant so all bidding would be on fair and equal ground, therefore protecting the rights of the laborers. Right to Work states don't care, they don't care what is paid to the laborers and if the laborers don't like it, they can be replaced with little or no just cause.


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Thanks Bill,

Your message has been helpful to me.

https://esd.ny.gov/industry-spotlight-drones-central-new-york

I got that link to work. It's great that NYers are fiddling with drone technology. I still don't feel like it's a high-five for me & Andrew Cuomo though.

Tax-free zones aren't always what they're cracked up to be unless the one receiving the tax break is willing to totally invest within that area.

I don't get you on this. A tax-free zone means that there are going to be at least a handful of jobs to fill, which leads to housing for the employees, food, medicine, etc.

I've seen it work VERY well in the Wilkes-Barre/Hazleton area. I used to work in a tax-free zone in Pottsville, PA. That area, is still kicking bootie.

I agree, it would be wonderful if the company/corporation involved made a charitable donation to the local community. However, even if they don't build us a brand new playground in one of our favorite state parks, they still have done us a huge favor by providing a moderate boost to our flailing local economy; those workers will rent from our renters, or pay our property taxes, eat at our restaurants, and shop at our stores.

What's your definition of a total investment in the area?

I respect you Bill; I have an open, non-partisan mind for the upcoming election. I'm 2 months away from it, but I'm not 100% sure if I want Marc, Andrew, or Cynthia; they all have strengths and weaknesses. I guess the registered democrats will choose Andrew vs Cynthia for me, but I will have no problem voting for the democrat over the republic, provided that they give me
a reason. I really outta check out the Cuomo/Nixon debate.. I will do it tonight.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/30/us/politics/trump-tax-cuts-rich.html

With this tax-cut issue, I'm not attacking the messenger; I just have a few problems with the delivery of the thought:

1) NYTIMES? It's a highly liberal think tank. I'm open-minded, but typically conservative. I'm skeptical of liberal think tanks.

2) The very SHORT article says that "Trump administration is THINKING of...."

I love 99% of the Trump administration. I can't stress over words like "Trump admin is THINKING about..." --That sounds like spammy propaganda to me.

We are all humans; let's live in peace. Water is good for survival; let's all drink water.

If and when (because it happens often) we get the chance, let's work together towards making future generations having things easier than we did. They will have issues to deal with (morals, religion, money, debt, enemies, water, etc.) Let's set them up with the best possible solutions we can come up with as a team (libs/conservs.)

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Hello Gerhard,

Strengthening the American automotive industry is nice too!

How? By making them pay tariffs on steel and aluminum? Or by having everyone
else introducing tariffs on US products? He keeps talking about Chrysler
cars in Germany. If you go to http://chrysler.de, it says that they're not selling them in Germany. And I think, I've seen only three in real life, a Crossfire, a Matiz and a Spark. Moreover, Chrysler is a brand of an Italian company.
What we do have a lot is Fords, they're about 10% of all cars currently
licensed. However, not what you're thinking of, Ford in Germany does not
mean F250 or Crown Victorya, it means Ka and Fiesta, the very low price segment. On the Other hand, the Mercedes and BMW that you can buy in the US are only the high priced ones. Now let's introduce tariffs on both sides, let's say 20 percent. The Ford Ka currently is available for 10,000 EUR,
it's prices would rise to 12,000 EUR. Noone is going to pay that, you can
get a small VW, Smart, Hyundai, Toyota, Peugeot, Fiat, Dacia, Daewoo,
Suzuki, Mitsubishi or Mazda for 10,000.
I don't think anyone buying an AMG C63 or M 3 cares about paying another
20,000 Dollars, that's less than he paid for the rims ...

Not a problem. Just buy Chinese.

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Hello Aaron,

duke it out next time, what should be done is hold an election
between two guys from Queens. That should really excite the

That would work for me!

Christopher Walken for President! Yeah!

Barack Obama crushed John McCain in 2008. Everybody respects
John McCain, a true patriot of our times. Yet most voters found
Barack Obama far more exciting, and took a chance on the first-

Were they excited about "affordable health care for all Americans?" I too
was excited about that, but wasn't surprised when it never happened.

Access to quality health care is the first of all human rights.
After all, the dead have no rights. Not even to have a marker noting
they were here.

What is needed is to end this insane health care for profit system.
Every country in the civilized world has already done so. Why is it
that the US continues to inflict such pain and suffering on its own
people? Makes absolutely no sense to me.

Business denies, government provides. FDR understood the concept,
and used it to bring prosperity back to "we the people." LBJ also
understood the concept, expanding those benefits to include health
care for the elderly and some disabled. Even GWB learned from his predecessors, choosing to expand benefits to include coverage for
drugs. The next logical step is to have coverage for all, not
limited to the elderly and some disabled.

This will be expensive. Very expensive. Like the Japanese,
we will love it. Bernie Sanders promised. And you know he always
keeps his word.

opponent by an even worse score. Mitt Romney ran what many regard
as the worst presidential campaign in history, which undoubtedly

I wanted that horrible man to win! Solely because Obama failed at his >cornerstone promise.

That man is in his 70s. And let me tell you, he can really throw
a punch. Evander Holyfield challenged him to a boxing match, and the
two of them duked it out on national television. Romney knocked him
out cold in the third round, the former world champion never able to
get back on his feet to continue the fight. The prize money was
gifted to charity, and the crowd cheered their approval, with both
boxers smiling from ear to ear.

Today we have a total doofus in the White House, who apparently
thinks his whole gig is some kind of weird reality tv show. How

As huge of a Trump supporter as I am, I'll agree that he's a little out of
touch. However, I'll disagree on this:

engated" so as to get himself elected president. But will he be
able to do so again, after failing to deliver on most of his
promises?

He's held a tough stance on illegal immigration, which I appreciate.

Separating parents from their children is not sound policy.
The courts ruled such actions unconstitutional, and Trump had
to ditch his "zero tolerance" policy as a result. This was
just one fiasco in the area of immigration.

The travel ban is a bonus too.

Also ruled unconstitutional. After redoing it a few times,
the Trump administration finally came up with a "travel ban"
policy that the courts were able to go along with. But how
effective is such a travel ban when all a terrorist has to
do is emigrate to another country that he/she can freely
emigrate from in order to get to the US?

It is not specific countries that should be the focus.
It is vetting the individuals who seek to come here, regardless
of where they are coming from.

Opening up the coal mines is great.

At great expense to the general health of those who work
in the coal mines. Relaxing the rules that companies must
abide by saves money for the companies, but destroys the
health of those working in the mines.

Coal as an energy source is dying because there are other
sources of energy that are now more economically viable.

Better to develop green energy than promote fossil fuels.
China is the leader in this field. As a result of US dependence
on oil, guess what cars most Americans will be driving in the
near future? Electric cars made in China.

Strengthening the American automotive industry is nice too!

The days of the gas combustion engine and diesel engine are
numbered. The future, electric and hybrid cars, is now.
Why is the Trump administration dragging its feet, and promoting
fossil fuels such as coal and oil, rather than building for our
future?

The Trump administration should take a time out to re-evaluate
our needs. Then come up with a better plan that works for all.
Including for those in coal country, whose industry is on the
way out and will never rise to anything resembling what it once
was.

He's failed to deliver the wall, so far, which is disappointing.

No administration is perfect. Mistakes are made by all presidents,
regardless of party affiliation.

Also failed to abolish ACA, which is even worse.

Keeping, or abolishing, the ACA is not the issue. Trump claimed
he did not like the ACA. But never came up with anything to replace
it with. Which makes it a double failure.

But this whole time, I see him arguing for these things, which makes me
proud.

I am for world peace. So is everybody. Do you think it is possible
for Trump to give everybody world peace? Talk about wishful thinking.

I wish him well. The same as any president. I do not envy him.
I doubt anybody else does, either. It's his gig. He asked for it.
He got it.

If he wants to envy himself, he has the perfect place to do it.

As for me, I much prefer the swamp.

LL> ~ Andrew Cuomo, 8/15/18
LL>
LL> In other words, a pipe dream.

Absolutely. What else does he want to promote? Abolish racism? End >mass-shootings? Everyone gets laid? The poor guy has less of a chance than
dear ol' Obama.

Can he sing? Does he know the words to Kum-Ba-Ya? If not,
Cynthia Nixon might have a chance ...

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Access to quality health care is the first of all human rights.

Access to free health care is not. I never have time to go to the doctor, so why should I pay for everyone else's doctor appointments?

Separating parents from their children is not sound policy.

It happens every day. Adults do illegal things, they go to jail, and their
kids don't come to jail with them.

And when an undocumented person arrives at the border with children, they are going to jail. And it's great that those children are separated from their (possible) parent at that time, because we don't let children run around the country with criminals; we care about kids. It's better to be separated from your parent than to be sold as a sex slave.

If you shine a flashlight in my face while I'm being arrested for DWI, and my children are put into protective custody, then please have the camera rolling because I want liberals to cry for me when I break the law too. Let me take my kids to jail with me, so Cathy Griffen can be happy.

do is emigrate to another country that he/she can freely
emigrate from in order to get to the US?

You're right. It kinda sucks! But It's still an obstacle for them. You should argue for the original travel ban to be reinstated; it was much better.

It is vetting the individuals who seek to come here, regardless
of where they are coming from.

But some of these other governments have failed to keep known offenders off their own radar and shouldn't permit them to fly to the west. It's not refreshing to fight for the rights of extremists.

abide by saves money for the companies, but destroys the
health of those working in the mines.

Everything destroys health. Driving a cab can get you robbed & murdered in seconds flat. Asbestos workers can tear a mask and get meso decades later. If you or a loved one have a coal-related illness or died, you will vote for the person who says "No" to coal mining. (1/2 of the USA falls in this category.)

He's failed to deliver the wall, so far, which is disappointing.

It might be a good thing though, because democrats will probably just tear it down when they get the chance.

Republicans and Democrats need to give a little and compromise on these
things. The ACA could stay in place, if it could be made to work in all
states. The coal doesn't have to be mined, but then we want these electric
cars immediately and for reasonable prices. The wall doesn't need to be built provided that somebody explains a better way to keep illegals out. It's not a piece of concrete that we want, but we want to be safer.

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Separating parents from their children is not sound policy.

I disagree. Those folks coming to the border illegally and bringing young children with them are endangering the life of a minor. Here in the US, if
you commit a crime that puts your kids in danger, your kids go into
protective custody.

Or are you trying to tell us that the lives of these border kids is not
worth as much as US kids?

Mike

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Better to develop green energy than promote fossil fuels.

What do you mean by "develop"? Solar panels do work, but not at night. Windmills do work, but only if there's wind. A fossile power plant delivers power whenever you want it to - and that's what's missing on "green energy".

China is the leader in this field.

China is currently building and planning 31 nuclear power plants. They lost 250,000 people in the 70s when a hydroelectric dam broke, so they're trying to change to a safer technology.



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China is the leader in this field.

China is currently building and planning 31 nuclear power plants. They lost >250,000 people in the 70s when a hydroelectric dam broke, so they're trying to >change to a safer technology.

There are probably some folks around Chernobyl that would beg to differ
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Hello Mike,

Separating parents from their children is not sound policy.

I disagree. Those folks coming to the border illegally and bringing young >children with them are endangering the life of a minor. Here in the US, if >you commit a crime that puts your kids in danger, your kids go into >protective custody.

Well over 90% of "those folks" trying to cross the border are
fine people. Most of them coming here wanting to apply for asylum,
as the places they are from too dangerous for them to live.

Yes, a small percentage (significantly less than 10%) are criminals,
or people with a criminal record. And even fewer are child smugglers
and/or drug smugglers. These people should not be allowed to enter,
except to be locked up in prison for their crimes (then deported to
wherever the hell they came from).

Children are not criminals, although some may be victims. Protecting
children by separating them from those who kidnapped them is doing
those children (and their parents) a real service. Re-uniting those
children with their real parents is an extra plus.

I do not have a problem locking up criminals. Especially
criminals who try to smuggle children. Last I heard, kidnapping
is a crime. In fact, I know of no country that condones it.

What should be done with those criminals? Lock 'em up!
Lock 'em all up! And then throw away the key!

But no. That is not what happens. We lock 'em up for a few
years, at our expense, then deport them to wherever they came from.
One or two months later, they sneak back in. With more children
in tow.

Better to find them, separate them from the children, and send
them to a deserted island with no children around. Then hope the
sharks eat them when they try to swim back to the border ...

For those (not criminals) seeking asylum, let 'em in. Let 'em all in.
Grant them all a fair hearing, and if their case has merit, allow them
to stay. Really that simple.

Or are you trying to tell us that the lives of these border kids is not
worth as much as US kids?

The criminals who attempt to smuggle children across the border
do not care a whit about the lives of those children. What they
want is to be handsomely paid for their services. And not get
caught in the process.

We have a duty and obligation to protect those who are victims
of predators. These are children who have been kidnapped. Those
who kidnapped them did not do so for altruistic reasons. I'll
let you figure out the rest.

How do countries in Europe handle this? Do those countries
separate adults from children? For example, many refugees from
Syria have sought to find a new home in Germany, Sweden, etc.

Here's the short answer: Yes.

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Hello Aaron,

Access to quality health care is the first of all human rights.

Access to free health care is not.

Everything ought to be free.
That is something all sides agree on.

I never have time to go to the doctor, so why should I pay for everyone
else's doctor appointments?

Because that is the way things work.

"All insurance is scam." ~Burt Reynolds, in the movie "Deliverance"

The character Reynolds was playing was in the hospital, having
accidentally shot himself in the leg with his own rifle. Another
character was also in the hospital, having accidentally shot
himself with his own bow and arrow - in the back. A sheriff's
deputy was investigating, as the claim did look rather suspicious.
Of course, only the two men in the hospital knew what *really*
happened, and neither of them wanted the deputy to find out what
was lying at the bottom of the lake.

Burt Reynolds. One of my favorite actors. May he rest in peace.

To asnwer your original question -

Because this society of ours will not let you die. We keep you
alive so that you can keep us alive. Unnerstan'?

Even those without insurance are kept alive. Who pays the
cost? Taxpayers. So why pay for something that is not necessary?
Even if you could afford it?

Everything out to be free.

That is something Barack Obama tried to teach us.
And he should know, being a constitutional law scholar.

Access to quality health care means all health care for an
individual must be affordable. If something is not affordable,
it is not accessible. That is why it would be a violation of
human rights if an individual is denied access to quality
health care.

Burt Reynolds really did know what he was talking about.

Separating parents from their children is not sound policy.

It happens every day. Adults do illegal things, they go to jail, and their
kids don't come to jail with them.

An unjust law is no law at all.

Crossing the border is a misdemeanor for adults. Not really
a crime by any means. Kind of like jaywalking or running a red
light. Not a biggie. As for children, they are blamless since
they are in the care of an adult(s). And even those who aren't
are still blameless, due to age.

The penalty for jaywalking is to pay a fine.
The penalty for crossing the border is to pay a fine, then
deportation to wherever they came from. In both cases,
children are not cited for anything. But told to remain
with their parents and never to run off.

OTOH, there are those who never get caught and find kindly
relatives to take them in. At no cost to the US taxpayer.

And when an undocumented person arrives at the border with children, they
are going to jail.

Undocumented persons (adults and children) are detained at a
facility (not jail) waiting for their cases to be heard by a
federal judge, who determines whether they can stay or must
be deported. Those undocumented adults who are found to be
criminals are separated from children and put in jail, with
the children being placed in government custody (or foster
care). Those adults usually get a few years in prison ...

And it's great that those children are separated from their
(possible) parent at that time, because we don't let children run around the
country with criminals; we care about kids.

Adults who are parents or legal guardians of the children
with them should never be separated. It is adults who are
not parents or legal guardians with children who are not
their own responsibility who should be locked up.

I have no sympathy for drug smugglers or child smugglers.
Or any combination of the two. This is roughly 10% of the
crowd that tries to enter this country. And it is a must
that they be apprehended, otherwise they will just keep
coming and coming.

It's better to be separated from
your parent than to be sold as a sex slave.

Parents do not "smuggle" their own children into this country.
Most immigrants do not abuse their own children, or others'
children. And those who do should be locked up, with the
children placed in foster care.

The wonders one can do with Q-Tips. One swab of the cheek
and it is really easy to determine if the parents and children
are actually related. No relation? The parents/legal guardians
will have a lot of explaining to do ...

Criminals (such as child smugglers) should go to prison.
But since the vast majority of immigrants are fine and decent
folk, they get to have a better place to stay. They came
here to apply for asylum. Their cases should be heard. While
their case is pending, they should have a decent place to stay.
Once a judge has determined their fate, then they can either
stay or must be deported (depending on the judge's ruling).

If you shine a flashlight in my face while I'm being arrested for DWI, and
my children are put into protective custody, then please have the camera rolling because I want liberals to cry for me when I break the law too. Let me take my kids to jail with me, so Cathy Griffen can be happy.

I doubt any of them (adults and children) were busted for DWI.
Kind of hard to drive while under the influence of two feet, with
or without shoes.

For adults, crossing the border is a misdemeanor. Children are
blameless, not being of legal age to be held responsible.

Adults and children can be detained while waiting for a judge
to hear their case. No need to separate adults from children.

Over 90% of all adults are not criminals, just ordinary people
trying to make a better life for themselves and their children.
Crossing the border is a misdemeanor for adults, not a felony.

Most of these adults (and children) are seeking asylum, the
places where they are from too dangerous for them to live in.
For them, it is a matter of life and death, not just seeking
to find a better flife for themselves and their children.

There is absolutely no reason why any of these families
should be broken apart, the children forced to leave the
care of their own parents/legal guardians. It is both
inhuman and totally contrary to the rule of law.

Criminals are a different matter. Society has a right
to protect itself. Child smugglers are adults who prey
on children. What they do with the children one can
only imagine. These criminals should be apprehanded and
thrown in prison, the children separated and new homes
found for them. It could be some of those children
were kidnapped, with the parents desperate to find them.
If so, there is hope these children can be reunited
with their real parents, wherever they may be.

do is emigrate to another country that he/she can freely
emigrate from in order to get to the US?

You're right. It kinda sucks! But It's still an obstacle for them. You
should argue for the original travel ban to be reinstated; it was much better.

During the last few years of the Obama administration, 10% of
all immigrants to this country were Muslim. Is that representative
of the total percentage of Muslims in the USA?

Fact is, we do need immigration reform. But each side is playing
hardball, with neither side willing to give up so much as a peanut.
As a result, nothing gets done.

It is vetting the individuals who seek to come here, regardless
of where they are coming from.

But some of these other governments have failed to keep known offenders off
their own radar and shouldn't permit them to fly to the west. It's not refreshing to fight for the rights of extremists.

Other governments are just as incapable as we are. In the
US, there are only two major parties that are dug in. In Europe,
it is a problem with several parties dug in, with no side willing
to compromise about anything.

It got so bad in Italy that Italians voted in a new government
that is very anti-immigrant. This new Italian government refused
to allow any new immigrants to enter the country. The rest of
Europe complained, saying this was very unfair to other countries.
So what did Italy do? The new Italian government allowed immigrants
to disembark on an island off the Italian coast, and told all the
other countries in Europe it would be glad to send them on their
way to whichever countries would have them.

abide by saves money for the companies, but destroys the
health of those working in the mines.

Everything destroys health. Driving a cab can get you robbed & murdered in >seconds flat. Asbestos workers can tear a mask and get meso decades later.
If
you or a loved one have a coal-related illness or died, you will vote for
the
person who says "No" to coal mining. (1/2 of the USA falls in this
category.)

Federal rent checks. That is what people need.
One declared candidate for president is promoting
that idea. Some Asian guy. Wants to give every
American a check of $500/month, every month, no
questions asked. His name is either Yeng or Yang,
something like that. Claims to be a democrat.

Everything ought to be free.

Remember. I said it here first.

Huey P. Long wanted to share the wealth.

This guy wants to give it all away, not just share it.

People need jobs in order to pay the bills.
I used to believe that. Once upon a time.
But hey. Why work when you don't have to?

He's failed to deliver the wall, so far, which is disappointing.

It might be a good thing though, because democrats will probably just tear
it down when they get the chance.

We can hire Bill Gates as prez and build a virtual wall with
windows and keep updating it forever and never have to worry about
a thing.

This new virtual wall will be so transparent that people from
around the world will come here just to marvel at what they find.

Republicans and Democrats need to give a little and compromise on these
things. The ACA could stay in place, if it could be made to work in all states. The coal doesn't have to be mined, but then we want these electric cars immediately and for reasonable prices. The wall doesn't need to be
built provided that somebody explains a better way to keep illegals out.
It's not a piece of concrete that we want, but we want to be safer.

I knew it! I knew it! I knew it! John McCain is alive and well!

Welcome back, Maverick!

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Hello Gerhard,

Better to develop green energy than promote fossil fuels.

What do you mean by "develop"?

Fossil fuels are a finite resource, and contribute to climate change.

Solar panels do work, but not at night.

That's what batteries are for.

Windmills do work, but only if there's wind.

The energy can be stored in batteries. Same as with solar.

A fossile power plant delivers power whenever you want it to - and that's
what's missing on "green energy".

Energy sources such as oil and coal are finite, and not renewable.

China is the leader in this field.

China is currently building and planning 31 nuclear power plants.

There are many different types of nuclear power plants.
However, there are problems with this technology, and accidents
do happen. The question of what to do with existing waste has
never been resolved, with no apparent solution in sight.

How to build and plan safer nuclear power plants, such as
traveling waste reactors that "can actually consume existing
spent fuel waste" and other undesirable substances is a subject
well worth investigating. AFAIK, no such reactors have ever
been built, much less tested.

In theory, traveling waste reactors produce wastes that
remain radioactive for hundreds rather than thousands of years.

The idea of traveling waste reactors is nothing new, the
basic principle having been worked out in 1958. But serious
work on this never began in earnest until 2006. The end
result being a great deal of work remaining to be done before
a commercially viable reactor is even remotely possible.

China has a population of almost one and a half billion people.
India has a population about the same size, maybe even larger.
These two countries alone are almost half the human race.
Throw in Pakistan and Indonesia and a few other third world
countries, and you are talking real numbers.

People can live without electricity. But food and water
are absolute necessities of life. If a people cannot water
their crops or grow their own food, we all know what will
happen.

Why are so many people from Syria seeking refuge in Europe?
It is not about religion, but survival. That is the way I look
at it. Really not much different than why so many people from
Mexico and Central America are seeking refuge in the US.

They lost 250,000 people in the 70s when a hydroelectric dam broke, so
they're trying to change to a safer technology.

Nuclear power is far from safe. Much more work needs to be
done. Otherwise, more nuclear disasters (such as what happened
in Ukraine and Japan) will continue to happen.

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Everything ought to be free.
That is something all sides agree on.

I don't think everyone on the right agrees with that.

Crossing the border is a misdemeanor for adults. Not really
a crime by any means. Kind of like jaywalking or running a red

But it is a crime. Jaywalking or running a red light, those are not crimes,
but violations. Misdemeanor crimes are things like larceny, assault, DWI, crossing the border illegally, etc. All things that you don't do with your
kids unless you want to have huge problems.

OTOH, there are those who never get caught and find kindly
relatives to take them in. At no cost to the US taxpayer.

That would make a nice Thanksgiving style, whimsical story! Especially if you include the part about 10% of illegals are criminals.

Parents do not "smuggle" their own children into this country.
Most immigrants do not abuse their own children, or others'

Most illegal immigrants are from central and south america. These people are notorious for child abuse and child sex trafficking, murder, extortion, and a few other mild side-effects.

Criminals (such as child smugglers) should go to prison.

But so many Democrat judges slap them on the wrist & let them go.

here to apply for asylum. Their cases should be heard. While
their case is pending, they should have a decent place to stay.

But people who are not decent don't deserve a decent place to stay. It's not decent to jump the border illegally. Maybe those same bad guys who made them flee will just follow them right across the border? And what about people who are having their anuses examined at the border, while trying to come legally? Are they likely leaving something terrible behind them too? Why do the law-breakers get to jump the line while law-abiders get backlogged? And then why do non-hispanics have to be harassed by racist people, who entered illegally from communities without morals, and then they spread that same despicable type of attitude with us happy gringos?

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Well over 90% of "those folks" trying to cross the border are
fine people. Most of them coming here wanting to apply for asylum,
as the places they are from too dangerous for them to live.

Odd. I have a relative that frequently travels to one of those allegedly
"too dangerous" places. As a part of her job, she uses her law degree to
go down and coach folks into what they should say and do when they are
trying to get in.

Thing is, while she is really dedicated to her job (and her politics) there
is no way on Earth she is going somewhere that is truly "too dangerous" to
live in.

Yes, a small percentage (significantly less than 10%) are criminals,
or people with a criminal record. And even fewer are child smugglers
and/or drug smugglers. These people should not be allowed to enter,
except to be locked up in prison for their crimes (then deported to
wherever the hell they came from).

If you throw the borders wide open, like several on the left want us to,
you are going to get those 10% all mixed in, along with others who are not
even from Central/South America but who figure out a good way to sneak in.

Children are not criminals, although some may be victims. Protecting

[...snip...]

What should be done with those criminals? Lock 'em up!
Lock 'em all up! And then throw away the key!

That is where Gitmo would come in handy. Lock them up somewhere off shore
and not someplace that is more "cushy" than the jail cells back home,
wherever that is.

But no. That is not what happens. We lock 'em up for a few
years, at our expense, then deport them to wherever they came from.
One or two months later, they sneak back in. With more children
in tow.

We agree here also. I cannot fathom why we deport murderers and attempted murderers to places we know won't lock them up when they get there. Gitmo!

Or are you trying to tell us that the lives of these border kids is not
worth as much as US kids?

The criminals who attempt to smuggle children across the border
do not care a whit about the lives of those children. What they
want is to be handsomely paid for their services. And not get
caught in the process.

I am not talking criminals, at least the same type you are, when I say the
kids are being endangered. In this case, it is the actual parents, not kidnappers, smugglers, etc., which are endangering them. And, like US
parents who endanger their own kids, they should expect to be separated from the kids.

How do countries in Europe handle this? Do those countries
separate adults from children? For example, many refugees from
Syria have sought to find a new home in Germany, Sweden, etc.

Here's the short answer: Yes.

So those countries do also separate them? Interesting. Someone needs to
tell Hollywood that.

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Hello Aaron,

Everything ought to be free.
That is something all sides agree on.

I don't think everyone on the right agrees with that.

It is our anthem. You know the words - "Busted flat in Baton Rouge,
headin' for the trains ..."

Kris Kristofferson sure had a way with words. But Janis sang it
so much better ...

"Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose ..."

She never had a top 10 hit in her short lifetime, but her
rendition of "Me and Bobby McGee" made it after her untimely
death. But hey. Her entire life was one big road trip.
And all road trips do come to an end.

And then there is Jimi Hendrix. Another artist who, like Janis,
became a membeer of the 27 Club. His version of the Star-Spangled
Banner will never be forgotten. Nobody could play the guitar
like Jimi, stoned or not.

As for live performances of our national anthem, Aerosmith
takes the cake. They opened the New Orleans Jazz and Heritage
Festival this past April, and their rendition was the worst of
the worst. I will be glad when they finally retire from the
stage.

Crossing the border is a misdemeanor for adults. Not really
a crime by any means. Kind of like jaywalking or running a red

But it is a crime. Jaywalking or running a red light, those are not crimes, >but violations. Misdemeanor crimes are things like larceny, assault, DWI, >crossing the border illegally, etc. All things that you don't do with your >kids unless you want to have huge problems.

Misdemeanors are not felonies. If misdemeanors were deemed felonies,
then nobody from anywhere would be able to come here. Not legally.

A second offense crossing the border is now deemed a felony.
But not first offense, which is still classified a misdemeanor.
Multiple offenders could be viewed as "criminals" in that
sense.

OTOH, there are those who never get caught and find kindly
relatives to take them in. At no cost to the US taxpayer.

That would make a nice Thanksgiving style, whimsical story! Especially if
you include the part about 10% of illegals are criminals.

There are an estimated 10 to 12 million "tourists" in this
country, who have no passport or visa. Perhaps we can convince
them to get one so that they can freely travel about. Like
they have been doing for decades. Of course, somebody is going
to have to pay for their new passports ...

Parents do not "smuggle" their own children into this country.
Most immigrants do not abuse their own children, or others'

Most illegal immigrants are from central and south america. These people are >notorious for child abuse and child sex trafficking, murder, extortion, and
a
few other mild side-effects.

Parents abusing their own children, then taking them to the USA
for a better place for everybody to stay? I don't think so.

Adults taking somebody else's children is called kidnapping.
Regardless of where they take them. This is part of the 10%
that should be locked up in prison.

Criminals (such as child smugglers) should go to prison.

But so many Democrat judges slap them on the wrist & let them go.

It is not a question of "democrat" or "republican" judges.
The problem of not having enough judges to hear their cases
and appeals makes the process longer than it should take.

here to apply for asylum. Their cases should be heard. While
their case is pending, they should have a decent place to stay.

But people who are not decent don't deserve a decent place to stay.

People on life row are given a decent place to stay. Even if they
don't deserve it. What makes us indecent as a people is to take
those on life row and deny them the most precious gift of life
itself. We sanction the state to commit murder in our name.

It's not decent to jump the border illegally.

Is it? Germans used to do it, within their own country.
Germans jumping over a wall in the east in order to get to
the other side of a wall in the west. Not many Germans
went the other way.

Maybe those same bad guys who made them flee will just follow them right
across the border?

Angela Merkel did. And look where she is now.

And what about people who are having their anuses examined at the border,
while trying to come legally?

Somebody's got to do it. Glad it's not me.

Are they likely leaving something terrible behind them too?

All immigrants should be medically screened. Adults and children
alike. Those who are sick and in need of care should attended to.
Those who have certain contagious diseases should be isolated and
not be allowed to enter.

Why do the law-breakers get to jump the line while law-abiders get
backlogged?

"I forgot my passport" is no longer a valid excuse for Americans.
So why should it be an excuse for anyone else?

And then why do non-hispanics have to be harassed by racist people, who
entered illegally from communities without morals, and then they spread
that same despicable type of attitude with us happy gringos?

Hispanics define themselves by language, not by race.
Cajuns define themselves by language, not by race.

The US Census form has two questions pertaining to Hispanics.
* Hispanic
* Non-White Hispanic

This has been on the census for for decades. To Hispanics,
it is blatantly racist. It should be viewed by everyone in the
same light. Because it is racist.

What race are you?
* White
* Black
* Asian
* Native American
* Pacific Islander
* Hispanic
* Non-White Hispanic
* Other _____________

We are all racists and bigots. As individuals, and as a society.
What we do to overcome our racism and bigotry is up to us.

--Lee

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Hello Mike,

Well over 90% of "those folks" trying to cross the border are
fine people. Most of them coming here wanting to apply for asylum,
as the places they are from too dangerous for them to live.

Odd. I have a relative that frequently travels to one of those allegedly >"too dangerous" places. As a part of her job, she uses her law degree to
go down and coach folks into what they should say and do when they are
trying to get in.

Thing is, while she is really dedicated to her job (and her politics) there >is no way on Earth she is going somewhere that is truly "too dangerous" to >live in.

Do the claims match the reality? If the claims have no merit,
or no basis in fact, then why should their claim be approved?
The burden of proof is on those making the claim. Why should
the judge believe them?

Yes, a small percentage (significantly less than 10%) are criminals,
or people with a criminal record. And even fewer are child smugglers >>and/or drug smugglers. These people should not be allowed to enter,
except to be locked up in prison for their crimes (then deported to >>wherever the hell they came from).

If you throw the borders wide open, like several on the left want us to,
you are going to get those 10% all mixed in, along with others who are not >even from Central/South America but who figure out a good way to sneak in.

That is Bill Gates' solution. Let 'em all in. Those with skills
will find jobs. Those with no skills will return to wherever they
came from. No need for borders of any kind. The problem resolves
itself.

Children are not criminals, although some may be victims. Protecting

[...snip...]

What should be done with those criminals? Lock 'em up!
Lock 'em all up! And then throw away the key!

That is where Gitmo would come in handy. Lock them up somewhere off shore >and not someplace that is more "cushy" than the jail cells back home, >wherever that is.

Gitmo is too expansive. Gotta pay soldiers to maintain the place.
Better to close it down so our soldiers can be sent elsewhere.

But hey. Hawai'i has a bunch of deserted islands. And so does
Alaska. We could send the criminals to their own tropical paradise,
or their own ice palace. All at the expense of US taxpayers.

But no. That is not what happens. We lock 'em up for a few
years, at our expense, then deport them to wherever they came from.
One or two months later, they sneak back in. With more children
in tow.

We agree here also. I cannot fathom why we deport murderers and attempted >murderers to places we know won't lock them up when they get there. Gitmo!

Aleutian islands!

Or are you trying to tell us that the lives of these border kids is not
worth as much as US kids?

The criminals who attempt to smuggle children across the border
do not care a whit about the lives of those children. What they
want is to be handsomely paid for their services. And not get
caught in the process.

I am not talking criminals, at least the same type you are, when I say the >kids are being endangered. In this case, it is the actual parents, not >kidnappers, smugglers, etc., which are endangering them. And, like US >parents who endanger their own kids, they should expect to be separated from >the kids.

Ah. Child endangerment. Not the same as kidnapping. But is such
child endangerment a necessity? If they are coming from a place too
dangerous to live, then remaining in that place was not an option.
Better to take their chances on a long trek through rough terrain so
that all, or at least some, might live.

What would I do in that situation? Whatever I had to, regardless
of the danger. That is what I like to think I'd do.

If I managed to get my kids to a safer place, even if it meant
spending years inside a jail cell for doing so, it would still be
worth it. That is how I think most adults with their children
felt.

Would you steal food in order to feed your own children so they
would not starve? Of course. Doing nothing would be condemning
them to starvation.

So which is the bigger crime? Saving your children, or keeping
the law?

An unjust law is no law at all.

Thou Shalt Not Steal. Except when necessary.

How do countries in Europe handle this? Do those countries
separate adults from children? For example, many refugees from
Syria have sought to find a new home in Germany, Sweden, etc.

Here's the short answer: Yes.

So those countries do also separate them? Interesting. Someone needs to >tell Hollywood that.

Hollywood? Who will play the part? The only Russian actor
I know is Steven Seagal. And he's off on assignment, having
been appointed to a position by President Putin.

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Hello Mike,

Well over 90% of "those folks" trying to cross the border are
fine people. Most of them coming here wanting to apply for asylum,
as the places they are from too dangerous for them to live.

Odd. I have a relative that frequently travels to one of those allegedly "too dangerous" places. As a part of her job, she uses her law degree to
go down and coach folks into what they should say and do when they are
trying to get in.

Nice article you wrote in the Atlantic magazine. Still getting rave
reviews among sysops in FidoNet. With the internet, the article is
available for anyone to read, with nothing more than the click of
a mouse. The Atlantic archives are quite extensive, your article
published in Nov 2016 still there and very easy to find.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/11/the-lost -civilization-of-dial-up-bulletin-board-systems/506465/

Well done! Now all I have to do is set up a new word processor
I just downloaded and start typing my own story. :)

* SLMR 2.1a * There is no dark side of the moon, really....

I used that same reader for years. The only real drawback
being the text limitation. Easily fixed by third party freeware.

--Lee

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Nice article you wrote in the Atlantic magazine. Still getting rave
reviews among sysops in FidoNet. With the internet, the article is
available for anyone to read, with nothing more than the click of
a mouse. The Atlantic archives are quite extensive, your article
published in Nov 2016 still there and very easy to find.

Lee,
I did not write that. Someone else, who contacted me initially via the BBS, did. I was interviewed for it.

I used that same reader for years. The only real drawback
being the text limitation. Easily fixed by third party freeware.

Do you mean allowing SLMR to go beyond 99 lines, or some other limitation I
am not apparently aware of?

Mike

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Hello Mike,

Nice article you wrote in the Atlantic magazine. Still getting rave >>reviews among sysops in FidoNet. With the internet, the article is >>available for anyone to read, with nothing more than the click of
a mouse. The Atlantic archives are quite extensive, your article
published in Nov 2016 still there and very easy to find.

Lee,
I did not write that. Someone else, who contacted me initially via the BBS, >did. I was interviewed for it.

Still, you did manage to achieve your own 15 minutes of fame.
Just as Andy Warhol predicted you would. And that makes you not
only famous, but also an international celebrity!

I used that same reader for years. The only real drawback
being the text limitation. Easily fixed by third party freeware.

Do you mean allowing SLMR to go beyond 99 lines, or some other limitation I >am not apparently aware of?

This was years ago. Found a few Croatian freeware programs that
worked with SLMR. One did away with the limitation of lines.
Another one allowed huge letters to be made, making it possible
to create banners with SLMR.

I also found another freeware program from Australia that could
be used for doing the same thing. Or separate and all by itself
as a word processor.

I do not recall the names of those freeware programs. Wish I did.
It has been a while since I used a DOS-based offline reader.

--Lee

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Still, you did manage to achieve your own 15 minutes of fame.
Just as Andy Warhol predicted you would. And that makes you not
only famous, but also an international celebrity!

I guess I did. :) A few years before that, someone interviewed me for a
spot about BBSing on an NPR show.

I did hear that one. One of these days, I guess I need to read the
Atlantic article. :)

Mike

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Am 07 Sep 18 07:54:16 schrob aaron thomas an Lee Lofaso zum Thema
<Re: Andrew Cuomo>

I never have time to go to the
doctor, so why should I pay for everyone else's doctor appointments?

To stop spreading the disease before you even get infected.

Adults do illegal things, they go to jail, and their
kids don't come to jail with them.

You seem to have no problem paying for someone else's jail cell. :-)



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Am 06 Sep 18 05:34:04 schrob Lee Lofaso an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
<car industry (was: Andrew Cuomo)>

Not a problem. Just buy Chinese.

Chinese brands don't meet the European safety standards. We do frontal offset impacts at 64 km/h. Here's a video vom the ADAC, the German AAA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak-qVkW888k

Too bad, there's no subtitles in English. The steering wheel got pushed to the side, intruded by 20 centimeters and the airbag inflated next to the driver dummy while its head impacted on the dashboard. And the team had to use a crowbar to oben the door, while the safety standard requires that the doors can
be openen by kids after that crash scenario.
Later on, the narrator explains that they couldn't test child seats mounted in the oposite direction, because the seat belts are too short. :-)

Moreover, the Brilliace BS6 from that crash test comes with a top speed of only
190 km/h. Some Belgian importer tried to sell a later version for 18.000 EUR, but you can buy two Kia Rio with the same top speed for that price.
And I guess, they didn't sell any in the US, because the only available gearbox
was a 5-speed manual. :-)



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And I guess, they didn't sell any in the US, because the only available gearbox
was a 5-speed manual. :-)

That must be an inside joke because there are plenty of cars here in the US with manual gearboxes.. 4, 5, and even 6 these days.

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Chinese brands don't meet the European safety standards. We do frontal offset impacts at 64 km/h. Here's a video vom the ADAC, the German AAA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak-qVkW888k

That is a lot of damage for that speed. :(

Mike
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You seem to have no problem paying for someone else's jail cell. :-)

It's my pleasure to keep my criminals in a cage.

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Am 23 Sep 18 18:33:00 schrob Mike Powell an GERHARD STRANGAR zum Thema
<car industry>

And I guess, they didn't sell any in the US, because the only available >>gearbox was a 5-speed manual. :-)

That must be an inside joke because there are plenty of cars here in the US with manual gearboxes.. 4, 5, and even 6 these days.

Aren't those less than 10% of all currently licensed cars? The stereotype of the US car market is that you can sell anything if it comes with a lot of engine displacement, an automatic gearbox and cupholders.



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Aren't those less than 10% of all currently licensed cars? The stereotype of the US car market is that you can sell anything if it comes with a lot of engine displacement, an automatic gearbox and cupholders.

Well, with so many people buying trucks and SUVs, you are probably correct. Ford will stop making/marketing most of their non-trucks in the US soon in favor of various flavors of SUV.

I was thinking of cars, which do not necessarily have the first two but
just about certainly have the last one. :) Most of them probably are automatics, but there are plenty of folks who won't buy anything but manual gearboxed cars, and they usually have 5 speeds these days.

For where I live, where there are too many stoplights, hills, and
stoplights at the top of hills, I would not consider a manual gearbox at my age.

Mike

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On 09-08-18, GERHARD STRANGAR said to AARON THOMAS:

Am 07 Sep 18 07:54:16 schrob aaron thomas an Lee Lofaso zum Thema
<Re: Andrew Cuomo>

I never have time to go to the
doctor, so why should I pay for everyone else's doctor appointments?

To stop spreading the disease before you even get infected.

The best and easiest way to do that is to build the wall....hire more ICE agents, and keep the diseased, sorry pieces of human flotsam out of our
country in the first place!

Adults do illegal things, they go to jail, and their
kids don't come to jail with them.

You seem to have no problem paying for someone else's jail cell. :-)

That cost is forced upon us by the constant invasion of criminal, diseased, sorry-assed dregs from low-ball third world countries, who commit all sorts of criminal acts to illegally gain entry into our country.


My method would include rounding them up wherever they cross....immediately loading them on buses, and transporting them to the nearest point of entry and marching them back across the border; including whatever children came with them. *They* brought the children here....the children go back with them.


The adults would be fully documented for identification purposes in order to identify them in case they return....at which time they would face a full five years in a federal prison. Any children who returned would be placed in a juvenile facility until they were 21, at which time they would be immediately deported.


I can see the question coming.....and I'll answer it ahead of time:


*They* got here and crossed our international border......let *them* worry about how to get back where they came from. Put them back across whatever border of ours they came across to get here and let *them* worry about it from there.




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Am 27 Sep 18 16:17:00 schrob TIM RICHARDSON an GERHARD STRANGAR zum Thema <Re: Andrew Cuomo>

I never have time to go to the
doctor, so why should I pay for everyone else's doctor appointments? GS>>To stop spreading the disease before you even get infected.

The best and easiest way to do that is to build the wall....hire more ICE agents, and keep the diseased, sorry pieces of human flotsam out of our country in the first place!

Don't worry. Trump is going to start building that wall on day one. And Mexico is going to pay for it. ;->>
Joking aside. If the argument is that you don't want to pay for someone elese's
inocculation (max. 50 Dollars per person including injecting it and paperwork),
it's ridiculous to tome up with the wall. Trump himself estimated the wall to cost around 10 billion Dollars. Mass inocculations cost around 5 Dollars per head, making it about half as expensive to treat everyone in North and South America.

The funny part for me is that everyone in Germany knows Walter Ulbricht's "Niemand hat die Absicht eine Mauer zu erreichten" (noone has the intention of building a wall) and he said that one week before the GDR started building the Berlin Wall. Later on, their Government ordered the day they started building to be celebrated as "Tag der Errichting des antifaschistischen Schutzwalls" (day of establishment of the antifascist protection wall). And it actully kind of protected the country by stopping the population from leaving, but only because the border patrol hat to shoot anyone attempting to cross, no matter from what side.



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On 09/28/18, Gerhard Strangar said the following...

Am 27 Sep 18 16:17:00 schrob TIM RICHARDSON an GERHARD STRANGAR zum
Thema <Re: Andrew Cuomo>

I never have time to go to the
doctor, so why should I pay for everyone else's doctor appointments? GS>>To stop spreading the disease before you even get infected.

The best and easiest way to do that is to build the wall....hire more agents, and keep the diseased, sorry pieces of human flotsam out of ou country in the first place!

Don't worry. Trump is going to start building that wall on day one. And Mexico is going to pay for it. ;->>
Joking aside. If the argument is that you don't want to pay for someone elese's inocculation (max. 50 Dollars per person including injecting it and paperwork), it's ridiculous to tome up with the wall. Trump himself estimated the wall to cost around 10 billion Dollars. Mass inocculations cost around 5 Dollars per head, making it about half as expensive to
treat everyone in North and South America.

If every American family that is conservative would donate $50.00 would make
a contribution to building the wall. I would write such a check today.
There would be more then money to build such a wall.

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Am 29 Sep 18 11:45:38 schrob Gregory Deyss an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
<Re: Andrew Cuomo>

If every American family that is conservative would donate $50.00 would make a contribution to building the wall. I would write such a check today. There would be more then money to build such a wall.

10 billion Dollars per wall divided by 50 Dollars per conservative family would
require 200 million conservative families.
How about a wall that's only 5 feet high, then? ;-)



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And I guess, they didn't sell any in the US, because the only available gearbox
was a 5-speed manual. :-)

That must be an inside joke because there are plenty of cars here in the

US

with manual gearboxes.. 4, 5, and even 6 these days.

I've read that US manufacturers are going to (or have already) stop making manual transmissions. That said, my favorite drive is a 5-speed manual transmission Chrysler
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You seem to have no problem paying for someone else's jail cell. :-)

It's my pleasure to keep my criminals in a cage.

About sixty years ago Robert A Heinlein wrote a short story/novel titled "Coventry." In it, anyone who was convicted of a crime was exiled to "Coventry" where they spent the rest of their lives living with other criminals. Not a bad solution to the crime problem
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I've read that US manufacturers are going to (or have already) stop making manual transmissions. That said, my favorite drive is a 5-speed manual transmission Chrysler

With some manufacturers making very little more than trucks and SUVs, it is possible that they have or will. That said, I would be shocked if some
Mustang and Corvette enthusiasts don't have a cow over that.

Mike

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About sixty years ago Robert A Heinlein wrote a short story/novel titled "Coventry." In it, anyone who was convicted of a crime was exiled to "Coventry" where they spent the rest of their lives living with other criminals. Not a bad solution to the crime problem

Didn't Britian used to do that (i.e. Australia)?

Mike

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Am 13 Oct 18 10:24:30 schrob BOB ACKLEY an MIKE POWELL zum Thema
<car industry>

I've read that US manufacturers are going to (or have already) stop
making manual transmissions.

https://www.ford.de/
offers the KA+ Trend with a manual only.
But I'm sure they're not manufacturing the transmission themselves if that's what you meant.



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On Oct 13, 2018 10:24am, BOB ACKLEY wrote to MIKE POWELL:

I've read that US manufacturers are going to (or have already) stop
making manual transmissions. That said, my favorite drive is a 5-speed manual transmission Chrysler.

Simple. A manual gearbox lasts a long time. It's not computer controlled. That's the reason right there. They want an automatic slop box that needs replacing right after the car is out of warranty!

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About sixty years ago Robert A Heinlein wrote a short story/novel

titled

"Coventry." In it, anyone who was convicted of a crime was exiled to "Coventry" where they spent the rest of their lives living with other criminals. Not a bad solution to the crime problem

Didn't Britian used to do that (i.e. Australia)?

Essentially, yes
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That cost is forced upon us by the constant invasion of criminal, diseased, sorry-assed dregs from low-ball third world countries, who

Thank you for using the word "invasion!" Obama has that type of Autism where
he can't understand sarcasm & can't tolerate the misuse of a word.

I'm ok with it though. People should be able to use whatever word they want.

To me, an invasion can be an attack from a foreign government, a criminal causing trouble in my neighborhood, or anything in-between.

But hell yea, illegal immigrants are akin to cockroaches; you can bitch about it all you want, but unless you start adding Orkin to your shopping list, you're not doing anything to fix it. Sometimes we pay for things we need.

BTW: If I go to prison for murder, can I please take my newborn child with me and care for it while I'm locked up? Maybe the other inmates will help change diapers? Maybe they will "tone down" the lanugage around my little one? If
the president doesn't let me take my kid to San Quentin with me for 25 years
to life, will Chuck Schumer impeach him?

..more questions like this will abound as the smelly hippies get settled into their new house seats

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..more questions like this will abound as the smelly hippies get settled into their new house seats

I think you are way off in your time-line of insults there :) Hippies???

Btw, don't despair, "The Handmaid's Tale." will be back on the tube before you
know it, so you will be able to revel (in an imaginary land at least) where those who are less 'whatever' than you get their due :)

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Hello Aaron,

That cost is forced upon us by the constant invasion of criminal, >TR>diseased, sorry-assed dregs from low-ball third world countries, who

Thank you for using the word "invasion!" Obama has that type of Autism where >he can't understand sarcasm & can't tolerate the misuse of a word.

Invasion? Who were we invaded by? Little green men from Mars?

I'm ok with it though. People should be able to use whatever word they want.

We are a nation of immigrants. Not thugs and criminals from far-off
places. Just folks in search of a better life for themselves and their families. America was the land of opportunity for them. And they
took it. And we should all be thankful. Except perhaps Native
Americans, who stood to lose everything they had, including their
own land.

To me, an invasion can be an attack from a foreign government, a criminal >causing trouble in my neighborhood, or anything in-between.

We were invaded by a small group of jihadists on 9-11-2001.
Of course, their stay was very brief, having ended when the
planes they hijacked came to a crashing end. Now had our
find pResident in the White House kept them out of the
country, such a thing might never had happened in the first
place. But no. He had more important things to do. Such
as reading "My Pet Goat" to schoolchildren in Florida ...

But hell yea, illegal immigrants are akin to cockroaches; you can bitch
about
it all you want, but unless you start adding Orkin to your shopping list, >you're not doing anything to fix it. Sometimes we pay for things we need.

It is impossible to keep determined jihadists out of this country.
But we can, and should, make it very diffictult, or next to impossible.

However, we should not live in fear. We should open our arms,
and welcome people to come here. This will help us build a better
future for ourselves, and also for them.

Closing our borders, and shutting ourselves from the rest of the world,
is not the answer. We tried that once before, and it cost us dearly.

Isolationism is what led us to WWII. Let's not do that again.
Once is more than enough. Not just for us, but for the entire world.

BTW: If I go to prison for murder, can I please take my newborn child with
me and care for it while I'm locked up?

Not in Saudi Arabia. Off with your head, baby taken care of by others.

Maybe the other inmates will help change diapers?

There are no inmates in Saudi Arabia.

Maybe they will "tone down" the lanugage around my little one?

Only if a prince takes care of them.

If the president doesn't let me take my kid to San Quentin with me for 25
years to life, will Chuck Schumer impeach him?

Only members of the House have the power to impeach.

.more questions like this will abound as the smelly hippies get settled into
their new house seats

Nancy Pelosi is 78 years old. One of the last of her kind.
Most new members are around age 40, far too young be even be
considered a hippie.

--Lee

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Hello Janis,

..more questions like this will abound as the smelly hippies get settled
into
their new house seats

I think you are way off in your time-line of insults there :) Hippies???

Sonny Bono was killed by a tree.

His wife took his seat, but lost it to another hippie.

His ex-wife raised his daughter, now his son.

What a wonderful world.

Btw, don't despair, "The Handmaid's Tale." will be back on the tube before
you know it, so you will be able to revel (in an imaginary land at least) where those who are less 'whatever' than you get their due :)

Margaret Atwood was/is a consultant to the series. Do read her
novel, although the series is well-done. The dystopian world she
depicts is an exaggeration, but the characters in the novel could
be any one of us, or who we could become, in such a dark world.

--Lee

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Hi Lee,

..more questions like this will abound as the smelly hippies get settled >>> into their new house seats

I think you are way off in your time-line of insults there :) Hippies???

Sonny Bono was killed by a tree.

Whatever got him, I don't remember... but think of how long ago his tresses graced the idiot-box.. it's almost ancient history - Even my favorite
'hippie' goat skin coat with sheepkin interior and long fringe at the neck and sleeves is so worn I don't dare take it out of storage.. that's how long ago Hippies were around.. and that was my point to this guy - and in all that time,
there has _never_ been a hippie in congress, not one, ever.

His ex-wife raised his daughter, now his son.
What a wonderful world.

It's about time that people can be who they are, not what society says they should be.

Btw, don't despair, "The Handmaid's Tale." will be back on the tube before >> you know it, so you will be able to revel (in an imaginary land at least)
where those who are less 'whatever' than you get their due :)

Margaret Atwood was/is a consultant to the series. Do read her
novel, although the series is well-done. The dystopian world she
depicts is an exaggeration, but the characters in the novel could
be any one of us, or who we could become, in such a dark world.

I read the book, it was great. With the series, many of the book's images did come to life, and I'm waiting for the next set in the series to arrive. ATM I'm
in the midst of George Martin's Fire & Blood, it's a totally different type of read - one which I doubt can easily fit into a TV or movie script (but what do I know <grin>).

Take care,
Janis

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I think you are way off in your time-line of insults there :) Hippies???

Maybe he misspelled "hipsters"? :)

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I think you are way off in your time-line of insults there :) Hippies???

Maybe he misspelled "hipsters"? :)

Could be... I'd agree though, they are a weird type hehe

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I think you are way off in your time-line of insults there :) Hippies???

Protesters

Btw, don't despair, "The Handmaid's Tale." will be back on the tube

I can't wait!

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You're sorta good at keeping it friendly, Lee. Thanks for that.

Invasion? Who were we invaded by? Little green men from Mars?

The people trying to cross the border improperly are invading the USA.
Crossing a solid line in traffic is an invasion of somebody else's lane, and
is punishable by law.

We are a nation of immigrants. Not thugs and criminals from far-off

Legal immigrants.

places. Just folks in search of a better life for themselves and their

It's better to be in prison in the USA than be free somewhere else?

took it. And we should all be thankful. Except perhaps Native
Americans, who stood to lose everything they had, including their
own land.

They shouldn't be thankful that 10,000 more rapists and murderers are at the door again.

We were invaded by a small group of jihadists on 9-11-2001.

They weren't jihadists though; they were just folks looking for a better life in the afterlife.

country, such a thing might never had happened in the first
place. But no. He had more important things to do. Such
as reading "My Pet Goat" to schoolchildren in Florida ...

I agree! He should have been in the white house drafting a muslim ban.

However, we should not live in fear. We should open our arms,

I'll open them for legal immigrants.

Not in Saudi Arabia. Off with your head, baby taken care of by others.

Will they welcome me as an illegal alien in Saudia Arabia?

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Maybe he misspelled "hipsters"? :)

That's a better description for them.

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country, such a thing might never had happened in the first
place. But no. He had more important things to do. Such
as reading "My Pet Goat" to schoolchildren in Florida ...

I agree! He should have been in the white house drafting a muslim ban.

Lee's timeline is off a little. Most of them were in the country before W
took office. They were here planning while Bill was busy with "other
things." 9/11 was the eventual date they decided on, but other earlier
dates were considered. It could have just as easily happened while Bill
was President.

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dates were considered. It could have just as easily happened while Bill was President.

I agree. It's not the president's fault when terrorism occurs. Only a psychic could possibly determine if someone's going to carry out a heinous act. But
to Trump's credit, "extreme vetting" sounds reasonable to me. It's not a guaranteed method of averting terrorism, but sounds like it couldn't hurt.

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