Countless anti-gun bills have been introduced in Congress, and a couple are capable of stripping away our rights on a large scale.

First, HR 5103 would tax firearms by 20% and ammunition by 50%. These outrageous rates would prevent poverty-stricken individuals from exercising their Second Amendment rights altogether.

Second, S 2095 by Dianne Feinstein would ban most semi-automatic rifles
because of their appearances. ARs, AKs, and many other firearms would become things of the past.

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Second, S 2095 by Dianne Feinstein would ban most semi-automatic rifles because of their appearances. ARs, AKs, and many other firearms would become things of the past.

I remember seeing a skit on one of the late night talk shows or something. They were out on the streets with various weapons and asked people what they thought were "bad" firearms. If the person said they were into firearms or
had a license, etc., the host asked them to walk on by because this 'survey' was not for them.
They showed things like the AK47 (wooden stock) and a few others (which may
or may not have been full-auro). Each person picked the "black" styled
firearm because they looked mean. TV/Movies have given a bad rep to firearms
of course, as well as the local news getting the information wrong during the "mass shootings".
I remember the host pointing to some of the firearms the general public
chose "bad" and would have them banned, and those of us watching were like, what? That is a toy compared to any of the full-auto ones they said were ok. From that day, I joke around (not really because I WOULD own one) about
getting a pretty purple digital or blue digital firearm just so it didn't
look "mean" to others :)

We still get into the debate over what "AR" actually means and the general public is told one thing while all of us know the truth.

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They did have a ban years ago, I made sure my purchase was done prior to and
I was active military so I would argue that I need it to protect the country (and defend the Constitution again foreign and domestic) :)

Most hate the current president, and are trying to do everything they can to take over the next election.

Let's see where it goes from here :(

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Re: Re: HR 5102 & S 2905
By: Sirronmit to Thumper on Sun Oct 06 2019 08:17 am

Most hate the current president, and are trying to do everything they can to take over the next election.

Let's see where it goes from here :(

Most hated the President on election day 2016. He Won! I would say "Some" hate the President."Most" want to see him re-elected again.

Let's see where it goes from here :-)

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They did have a ban years ago, I made sure my purchase was done prior
to and I was active military so I would argue that I need it to protect the country (and defend the Constitution again foreign and domestic) :)

The ban was by specific models, if I recall? That makes it hard when you can get a Chinese copy of a Czech copy of an AK-47.


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Re: Re: HR 5102 & S 2905
By: HusTler to Sirronmit on Sun Oct 06 2019 01:31 pm

Most hated the President on election day 2016. He Won! I would say "Some" hate the President."Most" want to see him re-elected again.

Let's see where it goes from here :-)

Foreigner here, so feel free to disregard my opinion as the product of European media brainwashing.

I am sure Trump has a meaningful group of supporters, but I am not sure he won because he is popular. He won because a lot of people wanted to create a backslash against the left and its identitary politics.

I mean, cancel culture is getting very bad. I can absolutely believe that somebody would vote for Trump becaise SJWs hate him and for no other reason.
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Re: Re: HR 5102 & S 2905
By: HusTler to Sirronmit on Sun Oct 06 2019 01:31 pm

Most hated the President on election day 2016. He Won! I would say "Some" hate the President."Most" want to see him re-elected again.

Have you done a poll in order to come to that conclusion?

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Re: Re: HR 5102 & S 2905
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Sun Oct 06 2019 09:48 pm

Most hated the President on election day 2016. He Won! I would say "Some" hate the President."Most" want to see him re-elected again.

Have you done a poll in order to come to that conclusion?

Errr. It's the same Poll that said Hillory Clinton was favored to win the last election. Right now only the Democrats are being polled. A lot of Americans feel Trump is doing a great job. Let's see what happens in 2020 shall we? No point in debating it now. I'm sick of all the left winged rhetoric.

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Re: Re: HR 5102 & S 2905
By: HusTler to Sirronmit on Sun Oct 06 2019 01:31 pm

Most hated the President on election day 2016. He Won! I would say "Some" hate the President."Most" want to see him re-elected again.

"Most" didn't even vote for him. And even the most conservative polls don't have him winning a second term.


He's incapable of telling the truth. He lies about stupid little things that are easily debunked on a daily basis. He's outright admitted to committing treason by asking a foreign government for help "investigating" a political opponent. His acting cheif of staff also admitted he did it, and the transcripts of him doing it were released by The President himself.

He's abandoned our allies in Syria, and allowed dozens of ISIS terrorists to escape captivity. Both Republicans and Democrats agree that this was a monumentally stupid thing to do, and in today's political climate it's almost impossible to get both parties to agree on anything.

I honestly wanted him to succeed, I didn't want to see our country become the laughingstock of the world, but here we are.

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"Most" didn't even vote for him. And even the most conservative polls don't have him winning a second term.

You mean there is such a thing as a conservative poll? which poll would that be?

He's incapable of telling the truth. He lies about stupid little
things that are easily debunked on a daily basis. He's outright

Hey, we learned that from Clinton when it was ok to lie as long as you
mean well. :)

admitted to committing treason by asking a foreign government for help "investigating" a political opponent. His acting cheif of staff also

Hogwash, he asked the Ukraine government to look into Joe Biden's blackmail of

government funds unless the prosecutor looking into Hunter Biden's involvement with the Ukraine gas companies. Of course the we can't let the facts mess things
up right. And no, it's not treason to ask a government for action,
lackmailing
them to achieve their objective may be another thing. :)

admitted he did it, and the transcripts of him doing it were released
by The President himself.

You should maybe get a copy of that transcript and educate yourself dude.

I honestly wanted him to succeed, I didn't want to see our country
become the laughingstock of the world, but here we are.

Right now the Democrats and their primary debates are providing a lot of good laughs. Have you ever seen such a group of "free everything" givers together at one time?
Oh, don't forget there is never anything free, someone has to pay for in in some way or another.

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Re: HR 5102 & S 2905
By: The Curmudgeon to DaiTengu on Sat Oct 19 2019 06:21 pm

"Most" didn't even vote for him. And even the most conservative
polls don't have him winning a second term.

You mean there is such a thing as a conservative poll? which poll would that be?

Fox News.

He's incapable of telling the truth. He lies about stupid little
things that are easily debunked on a daily basis. He's outright

Hey, we learned that from Clinton when it was ok to lie as long as you mean well. :)

Whataboutism. Bill lied about geting his dick sucked and the house voted to impeach him for it. Trump has made over 13,000 false or misleading claims since he took office.

You can't deny it, so you try to justify it by saying other politicians lie. Here's the thing, Trump ran on not being a politician, so which is it?

How can you honestly support someone who will flat out lie about the stupidest things? About things that don't matter? Fuck, man. Support another GOP candidate, I'm fine with that, Trump is just a horrible human being.

You should maybe get a copy of that transcript and educate yourself dude.

Have it. Read it. Educated. My opinion stands.

I honestly wanted him to succeed, I didn't want to see our country
become the laughingstock of the world, but here we are.

Right now the Democrats and their primary debates are providing a lot of good laughs. Have you ever seen such a group of "free everything" givers together at one time?

Dodge the comment all you want. We. Are. The. Laughingstock. Of. The. World. Turkey just walked all over Mr. "Art of the Deal". Trump is considered weak, ineffectual, and a baffoon by every other world leader. I bet even Boris Johnson thinks Trump is an idiot.

Oh, don't forget there is never anything free, someone has to pay for in in some way or another.

Yes, we know. The candidates on stage know, and they've put forth plans on how to pay for things that other civilized countries provide their citizens. There was a billionare on stage at the debate, and he wholeheartedly agreed with Warren's "Tax the rich" plan. He agreed with her that billionares shouldn't actually be a thing.

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Re: HR 5102 & S 2905
By: DaiTengu to The Curmudgeon on Sat Oct 19 2019 07:30 pm

Whataboutism. Bill lied about geting his dick sucked and the house voted to impeach him for it. Trump has made over 13,000 false or misleading claims since he took office.

Bill Clinton still served his full term after his impeachment. Now they're trying to impeach Trump, but what's that really going to do?

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Re: HR 5102 & S 2905
By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Sun Oct 20 2019 08:01 pm

Bill Clinton still served his full term after his impeachment. Now they're trying to impeach Trump, but what's that really going to do?

Nightfox

It's just a tactic being used by the Democrats to pursuade people not to vote for Trump in the next election. The party does not have a candidate they believe can clearly beat Trump on merit alone. The Democrats are despersate and will resort to anything to defeat Trump in 2020.



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DaiTengu spoke thus to The Curmudgeon <=-

TC> Hey, we learned that from Clinton when it was ok to lie as long as you

mean well. :)

Whataboutism. Bill lied about geting his dick sucked and the house
voted to impeach him for it. Trump has made over 13,000 false or misleading claims since he took office.

that, my friend, is not an impeachable offense so nice try. There were a
itany
of charges brought against him and yes, Clinton was a habitual liar but hey
he probably was your guy.

You can't deny it, so you try to justify it by saying other politicians lie. Here's the thing, Trump ran on not being a politician, so which is it?

so what exactly did he lie about? Oh yeah, I'm sure you'll say 13,000 times but are they all lies and misstatements or are the majority of them just not fitting the native of the alphabet media?

How can you honestly support someone who will flat out lie about the stupidest things? About things that don't matter? Fuck, man. Support

Again , I question all this as fact and not just hyperbole to discredit a POTUS that the media and the Democrats , of course, are trying their best to destroy.

another GOP candidate, I'm fine with that, Trump is just a horrible
human being.

He wasn't my first choice and he is bombastic to a huge degree but what he
is is a man constantly under attack for both his job and it's personal with
far too many in the left. His nature is not to stand and let people unduly attack him and his family and I can understand that.

You should maybe get a copy of that transcript and educate yourself dude.

Have it. Read it. Educated. My opinion stands.

If you actually read the whole report and not the synopsis put out by his detractors you might think otherwise. Either that or your opinion was formed before you read it and only looked for your confirmation. :)

I honestly wanted him to succeed, I didn't want to see our country
become the laughingstock of the world, but here we are.

Right now the Democrats and their primary debates are providing a lot of good laughs. Have you ever seen such a group of "free everything" givers together at one time?

Dodge the comment all you want. We. Are. The. Laughingstock. Of. The.

Not dodge the comment... just adding to it and putting it in perspective.

World. Turkey just walked all over Mr. "Art of the Deal". Trump is considered weak, ineffectual, and a baffoon by every other world
leader. I bet even Boris Johnson thinks Trump is an idiot.

Of course they do, the leaders of socialist leaning countries are indeed amazed and disheartened by his unwilling attitude to bow down to their way
of thinking. Not at all surprising however, weak and ineffectual... hardly
I don't belive China is in that category. Frankly I think Boris Johnson is missing a few brain cells himself but that's just me. :)

Oh, don't forget there is never anything free, someone has to pay for in in some way or another.

Yes, we know. The candidates on stage know, and they've put forth
plans on how to pay for things that other civilized countries provide their citizens. There was a billionare on stage at the debate, and he wholeheartedly agreed with Warren's "Tax the rich" plan. He agreed with her that billionares shouldn't actually be a thing.

Ah the old class envy strikes again. Ok, so you don't think there should be any billionaires as well I'm guessing from your post. If everyone had the same amount of income, asserts and whatever... just who would invest in new and expanding
business that hire people and pay taxes to fund the government? The poor don't hire people to build things and that's an economic fact. Sorry, instead of vilifying that group , maybe we should all aspire to becoming independently wealthy
ourselves. Oh, and the road to success is never working for someone else.. it's

taking the risk with your money and time, working not 8 hours a day for a wage but
working 12 hours a day and more to grow your business, hoping it succeeds and then
if it does pouring nearly all that back into it for years before finally achieving
that said independence. It's a long hard road with no guarantee of success.


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Nightfox spoke thus to DaiTengu <=-

Whataboutism. Bill lied about geting his dick sucked and the house voted to impeach him for it. Trump has made over 13,000 false or misleading claims since he took office.

Bill Clinton still served his full term after his impeachment. Now they're trying to impeach Trump, but what's that really going to do?

Ummm, remember he was impeached by the house but never convicted by the
enate
so in effect , while he was not proven guilty, his powers and influence after that
were reduced. Secondly, they will do anything they can to bring down Trump whether
or not it's actual factual evidence. <sigh> we do live in interesting times. :)

Why is "abbreviation" such a long word?

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Bill Clinton still served his full term after his impeachment. Now they're try
ng to impeach Trump, but what's that really going to do?

Nothing if the Senate does not find him guilty.

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Whataboutism. Bill lied about geting his dick sucked and the house voted to impeach him for it. Trump has made over 13,000 false or misleading claims since he took office.

that, my friend, is not an impeachable offense so nice try. There were a itany
of charges brought against him and yes, Clinton was a habitual liar but hey he probably was your guy.

IIRC, what Bill got impeached for was purjury because he lied *under oath*, which is impeachable. People forget that. :)

He wasn't my first choice and he is bombastic to a huge degree but what he is is a man constantly under attack for both his job and it's personal with far too many in the left. His nature is not to stand and let people unduly attack him and his family and I can understand that.

Neither of the top running choices in the last election were my first
choice but I believe my wallet is happier with this choice than it would
have been with the other one, and it almost certainly shall be happier with that same choice than any of the 20+ others running on the "impeach Trump because we got nothing else" platform.

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Re: HR 5102 & S 2905
By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Sun Oct 20 2019 08:01 pm

Whataboutism. Bill lied about geting his dick sucked and the house
voted to impeach him for it. Trump has made over 13,000 false or
misleading claims since he took office.

Bill Clinton still served his full term after his impeachment. Now they're trying to impeach Trump, but what's that really going to do?

I've always been very anti-impeachment. It's not because I think Trump doesn't deserve it, he's demonstrated time and time again he doesn't have the country's best interests at heart. I've been anti-impeachment because Trump is a bumbling idiot who can't walk and chew gum at the same time. He hasn't demonstrated a single iota of political acumen, and just can't get anything done because he can't keep his stories straight. Someone will ask him about a thing, he'll spout off an opinion on it, then, after the more insidious actors around him drop their opinions in his ears, he'll change his tune and parrot what they say. He's a puppet president, but he's too ADD to keep on any one task for too long to do any real meaningful damage.

Were he to be impeached, and if the Senate removed him from office, It's quite possible Mike Pence would become president. Now there's a guy who's actually competent, and has the ability to do real, horrifyng harm to this country in a way that Trump never could.

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DaiTengu wrote to Nightfox <=-

I've always been very anti-impeachment. It's not because I think
Trump doesn't deserve it, he's demonstrated time and time again he doesn't have the country's best interests at heart.

Springsteen said he doesn't think Trump knows what it means to be an
America. Well put.

The problem with impeachment is that it's going to become the new normal. Elect a democrat? The republicans will be screaming "IMPEACH" within the
first few months.

This is our government now.


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Re: HR 5102 & S 2905
By: DaiTengu to Nightfox on Fri Oct 25 2019 04:28 pm

the country's best interests at heart. I've been anti-impeachment because Trump is a bumbling idiot who can't walk and chew gum at the same time. He hasn't demonstrated a single iota of political acumen, and just can't get anything done because he can't keep his stories straight. Someone will ask

And you don't think that's a good reason to impeach a president? I guess that might not be an impeachable offense, but one might still rather not see a president like that in office.

And I wouldn't expect him to have any political acumen, since he had never worked in politics before. Though, sometimes that's the kind of candidate we might want.

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Nightfox wrote to DaiTengu <=-

the country's best interests at heart. I've been anti-impeachment because Trump is a bumbling idiot who can't walk and chew gum at the same time. He hasn't demonstrated a single iota of political acumen, and just can't get anything done because he can't keep his stories straight. Someone will ask

And you don't think that's a good reason to impeach a president?

Absolutely not. It's not something that should/can be done just
because somebody doesn't like him, or even if he's an idiot.

I guess that might not be an impeachable offense, but one might
still rather not see a president like that in office.

True, but "rather not" isn't good enough. "Elections have
consequences"...

And I wouldn't expect him to have any political acumen, since he
had never worked in politics before. Though, sometimes that's
the kind of candidate we might want.

Well it clearly was what "we" wanted in 2016. Next year should be
very.... interesting.



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Re: Re: HR 5102 & S 2905
By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Sat Oct 26 2019 08:11 am

And I wouldn't expect him to have any political acumen, since
he had never worked in politics before. Though, sometimes that's

the kind of candidate we might want.

Well it clearly was what "we" wanted in 2016. Next year should be very.... interesting.

I have a feeling Trump is going to get re-elected.. Just a feeling I have.

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Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

And I wouldn't expect him to have any political acumen, since
he had never worked in politics before. Though, sometimes that's

the kind of candidate we might want.

Well it clearly was what "we" wanted in 2016. Next year should be
very.... interesting.

I have a feeling Trump is going to get re-elected.. Just a
feeling I have.

Same here. Some of that comes from the quality of the field of
candidates being presented by the other side... And some of it
comes from the fact that things are actually going pretty well on
the economic front. Especially when you factor in the petty
whining about things that don't really matter, and the media bias
which looks to pick apart everything he does.



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On 27 Oct 2019, Gamgee said the following...

Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

And I wouldn't expect him to have any political acumen, since
he had never worked in politics before. Though, sometimes that's

the kind of candidate we might want.

Well it clearly was what "we" wanted in 2016. Next year should be very.... interesting.

I have a feeling Trump is going to get re-elected.. Just a
feeling I have.

Same here. Some of that comes from the quality of the field of candidates being presented by the other side... And some of it
comes from the fact that things are actually going pretty well on
the economic front. Especially when you factor in the petty
whining about things that don't really matter, and the media bias
which looks to pick apart everything he does.

Second the notion. I've already said if Gabbard, Yang or, Bernie don't end up winning the primary and we get another corporatist democrat in the elections, odds are my vote is going to Trump. Gabbard is my main pick, but it's clear
the DNC is pulling what they did back in 2016 and taking the clearly popular choice out back and proceeding to shoehorn a candidate that only appeals to
the extremists, like Kamala or Warren. Looking at both of them let alone hearing their platforms just unsettles me - My kingdom for a democrat that
knew the solution to gun violence wasn't with gun control but with actual research into WHY they happen. I mean, we know gang violence's MO, but what about these mass shooters?

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The ban was by specific models, if I recall? That makes it hard when you can get a Chinese copy of a Czech copy of an AK-47.

true, true

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