The "Affordable Care Act" is training wheels for us to go on single payer health care. It does some good things, but for those who earn money beyond the subsidies, the health care costs are painful where its just as hurtful as actual taxes which leads to the movement to repeal it. For a family making 126k a year it would be like 12.9% of their income and the deductables would be super high which makes health insurance pointless.
I know the progressives want single payer, but unless we pay down our budget deficit a bit, I do not feel comfortable with the start up
costs.
On the other hand, Republicans seem to have a significant aversion to doing anything at all that will help average people and make their lives easier.
On the other hand, *politicans* seem to have a significant aversion to doing anything at all that will help average people and make their lives easier.
Aaron Goldblatt wrote to Utopian Galt <=-
I know the progressives want single payer, but unless we pay down our budget deficit a bit, I do not feel comfortable with the start up
costs.
Reforming our tax system such that all incomes pay something
approximating a fair share, and reforming defense spending, would go a long way toward paying for the creation of a national health system and
a stable Social Security system.
Non-exhaustive example: Defense spending is known to be rife with
waste, but efforts to control it and figure out what money is actually being spent on are stymied at every turn (and this week's firing of the Inspector General at DOD will not help). Defense spending is the number general line item in the budget after Social Security (see below), yet nobody wants to make any serious effort to touch it. Social Security
used to be the third rail of politics; now it seems to be guns.
Non-exhaustive example: Social security could be considerably shored up
by lifting the maximum income limit on the tax (currently approximately $176,000).
Non-exhaustive example: Taxing capital gains at a higher rate than we
do presently, especially for gains values over $1 million. Currently,
the individual rate sits at 20%, down from a maximum of 35% in 1979,
and the corporate rate sits at 21%, down from a maximum of 35%
beginning in 1993. Yet it's well known that large corporations pay
little to nothing, sometimes even getting millions to hundreds of
millions in refunds. In a fair system, that would not happen.
Instead, politicians focus on penny-anty nonsense like cutting NASA and the USPS (both respectively less than 0.06% of the total spend in
2024). The USPS in particular would be self-supporting if not for that silly retirement pre-funding accounting gimmick that no other business
in the world is required to use. (And there is a significant argument
to be made that not everything must be for-profit.)
On the other hand, Republicans seem to have a significant aversion to doing anything at all that will help average people and make their
lives easier. Non-exhaustive examples: Proposals to repeal the ACA
without any kind of plan to replace it, despite now having had 14 years
to come up with something; litigation and plans in legislation to
destroy the SAVE plan for student loan borrowers; continual attempts to tighten eligibility for Medicaid, SSDI, SNAP and school lunches.
make ends meet and pay my bills. That acct is almost dry now.
That's my reality... not some stupid notion that Trump is going to take my health insurance away.
Re: Single payer health care
By: Bf2k+ to Aaron Goldblatt on Mon Jan 27 2025 04:21 am
make ends meet and pay my bills. That acct is almost dry now.
That's my reality... not some stupid notion that Trump is going to take my health insurance away.
that obama care heal insurance is shit. it's expensive and the coverage sucks.
i looked at it a few times. people can just work pt at walmart and get better insurance.
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Aaron Goldblatt wrote to Utopian Galt <=-
I know the progressives want single payer, but unless we pay down our budget deficit a bit, I do not feel comfortable with the start up
costs.
Reforming our tax system such that all incomes pay something approximating a fair share, and reforming defense spending, would go a long way toward paying for the creation of a national health system and a stable Social Security system.
Non-exhaustive example: Defense spending is known to be rife with
waste, but efforts to control it and figure out what money is actually being spent on are stymied at every turn (and this week's firing of the Inspector General at DOD will not help). Defense spending is the number general line item in the budget after Social Security (see below), yet nobody wants to make any serious effort to touch it. Social Security used to be the third rail of politics; now it seems to be guns.
Non-exhaustive example: Social security could be considerably shored up by lifting the maximum income limit on the tax (currently approximately $176,000).
Non-exhaustive example: Taxing capital gains at a higher rate than we
do presently, especially for gains values over $1 million. Currently, the individual rate sits at 20%, down from a maximum of 35% in 1979,
and the corporate rate sits at 21%, down from a maximum of 35%
beginning in 1993. Yet it's well known that large corporations pay little to nothing, sometimes even getting millions to hundreds of millions in refunds. In a fair system, that would not happen.
Instead, politicians focus on penny-anty nonsense like cutting NASA and the USPS (both respectively less than 0.06% of the total spend in
2024). The USPS in particular would be self-supporting if not for that silly retirement pre-funding accounting gimmick that no other business in the world is required to use. (And there is a significant argument
to be made that not everything must be for-profit.)
On the other hand, Republicans seem to have a significant aversion to doing anything at all that will help average people and make their
lives easier. Non-exhaustive examples: Proposals to repeal the ACA without any kind of plan to replace it, despite now having had 14 years to come up with something; litigation and plans in legislation to destroy the SAVE plan for student loan borrowers; continual attempts to tighten eligibility for Medicaid, SSDI, SNAP and school lunches.
Sounds like you should move your socialist commie-wannabe ass to
Venezuela. I hear it's nice there this time of year.
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- State healthcare = amazing, really good, you get what you deserve for your taxes
- Private healthcare = almost a scam, and on really bad issues, they send you to
the public healthcare
Spain is not Venezuela and it works really well. Nobody will neither steal your iPhone
nor deny your rights for a private insurance. You know, between Stalin and Vance
there's a huge spectrum and sane people. In my case, state healthcare was amazing.
Re: Re: Single payer health care
By: anthk to All on Sat Apr 05 2025 10:04 am
- State healthcare = amazing, really good, you get what you deserve for your
taxes
- Private healthcare = almost a scam, and on really bad issues, they send you to
the public healthcare
I take issue with this because it is frankly not true at all, except the half true part that statistically speaking, most very bad cases are done done at a socialized healthcare facility.
But then I could point out that socialized healthcare is sending all the cases they don't want to deal with to private healthcare via public subcontracts.
Whet the hell, we have had patients here who arrived to our facilities because socialized healthcare placed them on a queue worth a fucking year (!!!) for a chronic joint pain case. Max queue in our facilities is three weeks (with an average of one).
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sending all the cases
Re: Re: Single payer health care
By: anthk to All on Sat Apr 05 2025 10:04 am
Spain is not Venezuela and it works really well. Nobody will neither steal your iPhone
nor deny your rights for a private insurance. You know, between Stalin and Vance
there's a huge spectrum and sane people. In my case, state healthcare was amazing.
Here is the thing, the government does not need to steal your right to get an insurance plan because they can force you to buy their insurance plans. ONce you have bought their insurance plan they don't care if you buy another one you happen to prefer. They already got their cut.
The only thing you need to observe to realize the whole ploy is a scam is that public officers and servants are the only people who is allowed to op-out. If you happen to be a judge, policeman, state trooper, then you can opt to get private insurance *instead* of socialized insurance. Everybody else must buy socialized insurance "or else" independently or their will to hire a separate plan.
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In serious life threatening cases, it's kinda the opposite. But, yes, on non-covered
public healthcare issues such as teeth, these are sent to the private dentints. Someting that should have been socialized since the childhood, because tons of illnesses (soon maybe Alzheimer?) are related to teeth infections.
BTW, I live up in the North, and if you are from Madrid... Madrid it's a damn disaster
because the right wing party destroyed it to put its private minions so everyone
has to get a private insurance. They are a damn mafia.
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