Re: BBSing the alternative
By: MRO to Denn on Thu Sep 30 2021 08:36 am

hb1bbs.net

oh great. these are even more useless than a regular bbs.
and i'm not using packet radio to call it.

I just tried hb1bbs.net and you can telnet in.

They run telnet and have a packet modem so Ham's can connect.

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Re: BBSing the alternative
By: MRO to DaiTengu on Wed Sep 29 2021 09:29 pm

i've heard of it. never saw it. never knew someone who pulled it
off. and i find ham radio a big turn off.

Too many rules? :)

i just dont have an interest in talking to a bunch of neckbeards who live with their parents.

Er, I think you're confusing BBSes and The Internet in general with Ham Radio. Ham Radio is a bunch of old men with too much time and money on their hands. They sit and talk about their recent colonoscopy, all their friends that have died from cancer, and Jesus. oh man, do they love to talk about Jesus. Some even talk about politics too, but that's generally considered "bad form", even though most every one of them has the same political leanings (The same as you, MRO!)

also they removed a lot of the rules. you dont even need to know morse code now. it's not really an achievement like it used to be. ---

They removed the code requirements, but now the exams include a lot of questiosn about working digital modes, and if you get your Extra class license, you basically need a couple semesters of electriconic engineering and/or RF engineering to understand the questions you're being asked.

DaiTengu

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hb1bbs.net

oh great. these are even more useless than a regular bbs.
and i'm not using packet radio to call it.

I just tried hb1bbs.net and you can telnet in.

So did I. I had once seen a video on YT about packet BBSes so I was
surprised to see that hb1bbs runs "regular" bbs software. The one in the
video looked more like text-based early software, iirc.


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Re: BBSing the alternative
By: DaiTengu to MRO on Thu Sep 30 2021 02:22 pm

Er, I think you're confusing BBSes and The Internet in general with Ham Radio. Ham Radio is a bunch of old men with too much time and money on their hands. They sit and talk about their recent colonoscopy, all their friends that have died from cancer, and Jesus. oh man, do they love to talk about Jesus. Some even talk about politics too, but that's generally considered

that's exactly what i was expecting. but i do know a lot of poor people that are hams

"bad form", even though most every one of them has the same political leanings (The same as you, MRO!)

you dont know my political beliefs

questiosn about working digital modes, and if you get your Extra class license, you basically need a couple semesters of electriconic engineering and/or RF engineering to understand the questions you're being asked.

i doubt that.
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Re: BBSing the alternative
By: MRO to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 30 2021 09:59 pm

Er, I think you're confusing BBSes and The Internet in general with
Ham Radio. Ham Radio is a bunch of old men with too much time and
money on their hands. They sit and talk about their recent
colonoscopy, all their friends that have died from cancer, and Jesus.
oh man, do they love to talk about Jesus. Some even talk about
politics too, but that's generally considered

that's exactly what i was expecting. but i do know a lot of poor people that are hams

Probably using a lot of hand-me-down gear, or just the cheap chinese handheld radios to talk to people locally.

"bad form", even though most every one of them has the same political
leanings (The same as you, MRO!)

you dont know my political beliefs

Just the ones you've expressed on Dovenet.

questiosn about working digital modes, and if you get your Extra class
license, you basically need a couple semesters of electriconic
engineering and/or RF engineering to understand the questions you're
being asked.

i doubt that.

I'm not saying you can't answer the questions on the exam without it, but to know the theory behind them, that level of study/knowledge is necessary. (I say this as someone who's currently working his way through the material, I can pick the right answer, but I couldn't tell you why it was the right answer for some of them)

DaiTengu

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Hey Dai;

Er, I think you're confusing BBSes and The Internet in general with Ham Radio. Ham Radio is a bunch of old men with too much time and money on their hands. They sit and talk about their recent colonoscopy, all their friends that have died from cancer, and Jesus. oh man, do they love to talk about Jesus. Some even talk about politics too, but that's generally considered

Here in Connecticut, the average age of a ham is 70!.. although with the recent pandemic more young folk got licensed as it was something to do
inside. I don't do HF even though I'm licensed for it I tend to stick to VHF/UHF and moreso on packet (the original digital mode). I did have a few software packages available for packet which two of them are part of both Fedora and Debian (and the offspring distros) repositories however there's issues with the ax.25 kernel protocol stack that most guys think it's my software causing the issues (UGH!) so I've pulled them from sourceforge for now. We did supply fixes but they for whatever reason rejected the patches
even though we've proven for years they work. Bad politics are everywhere.

questiosn about working digital modes, and if you get your Extra class license, you basically need a couple semesters of electriconic engineering and/or RF engineering to understand the questions you're being asked.

The newer digital modes I tend to disagree with. The vendors have created what I call a "tower of babel" effect since they don't talk with one another - and hams are supposed to be all about communicating. Doesn't make sense. I do have a fusion HT but for now it just sits in a box. Analog is still more commonly used. Seems only those in certain cliques use it.


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Re: BBSing the alternative
By: DaiTengu to MRO on Fri Oct 01 2021 12:09 pm

license, you basically need a couple semesters of electriconic
engineering and/or RF engineering to understand the questions you're
being asked.

i doubt that.

I'm not saying you can't answer the questions on the exam without it, but to know the theory behind them, that level of study/knowledge is necessary. (I say this as someone who's currently working his way through the material, I can pick the right answer, but I couldn't tell you why it was the right answer for some of them)

i have known some dumb motherfuckers [some of them who still live with their parents] in my area who are ham operators.

i'm not sure if they cheated or if they're like me and can read up on something before a test and pass it with a high grade.

i looked up the practice test on hamexam.org and if the questions are like THIS, anybody can pretty much pass the test with reading notes beforehand.
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Re: BBSing the alternative
By: Arelor to Boraxman on Tue Sep 28 2021 11:32:08

Somebody around here posted about a BBS gateway in i2p, which I find to be way cool.
The only drawback is it was http based, probably because, in the i2p world, http is a
well supported protocol.

I know of some BBS attempts at offering telnet access via darknets. Sadly, darknet

Yeah it seems it would't be that tough technically to allow access over Tor or something. The question is if anyone would use it.
On the one hand, it gives it a cool underground off-the-grid feel. On the other hand, it's very not-retro.

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Re: BBSing the alternative
By: Ksource to Arelor on Sat Oct 02 2021 01:39 am

I know of some BBS attempts at offering telnet access via darknets. Sadly, darknet

Yeah it seems it would't be that tough technically to allow access over Tor or something. The question is if anyone would use it.
On the one hand, it gives it a cool underground off-the-grid feel. On the other hand, it's very not-retro.

there's a cool bbs guy that made a whole darknet that we could connect to.
it was easy to connect to, you just had to change some settings on your os for it to accept it.

most people didnt want to do that stuff, so it didnt work out
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Re: BBSing the alternative
By: Brian Rogers to DaiTengu on Fri Oct 01 2021 12:00 pm

Here in Connecticut, the average age of a ham is 70!.. although with the recent pandemic more young folk got licensed as it was something to do inside. I don't do HF even though I'm licensed for it I tend to stick to VHF/UHF and moreso on packet (the original digital mode). I did have a few software packages available for packet which two of them are part of both Fedora and Debian (and the offspring distros) repositories however there's issues with the ax.25 kernel protocol stack that most guys think it's my software causing the issues (UGH!) so I've pulled them from sourceforge for now. We did supply fixes but they for whatever reason rejected the patches even though we've proven for years they work. Bad politics are everywhere.

Yeah, I got my license just over a year ago, as it was something to do while spending so much time at home.

The politics involved with all the distros are... frustrating. It's been a toxic culture for years. It's been getting better lately, but it's still not great.

The newer digital modes I tend to disagree with. The vendors have created what I call a "tower of babel" effect since they don't talk with one another - and hams are supposed to be all about communicating. Doesn't make sense. I do have a fusion HT but for now it just sits in a box. Analog is still more commonly used. Seems only those in certain cliques use it.

I have both a D-Star radio and a Fusion HT. There's nothing in my area that does D-Star. I did build a pi-star though, so I can do some cross-mode digital stuff, but it's such a giant pain in the ass that I rarely mess with it. In fact, one of the antenna connectors broke off my pi-star hat a month or so ago after I had the bright idea to move the thing, and I just haven't gotten around to soldering it back on.

I do spend a lot of time using HF digital modes, like FT8 and PSK31 to a lesser extent. I have a lot of fun with FT8/FT4.




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Re: BBSing the alternative
By: MRO to DaiTengu on Fri Oct 01 2021 09:30 pm

i have known some dumb motherfuckers [some of them who still live with their parents] in my area who are ham operators.

i'm not sure if they cheated or if they're like me and can read up on something before a test and pass it with a high grade.

i looked up the practice test on hamexam.org and if the questions are like THIS, anybody can pretty much pass the test with reading notes beforehand.

There are 3 levels of exams. Technician, General, and Amateur Extra. The Amateur Extra one is what I'm talking about.

Anyone can pass the Technician exam with a couple days worth of studying, running through questions and memorizing answers. Synchronet has a Ham Radio Exam door in Git, complete with the current question pools.

DaiTengu

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On 9/27/2021 12:59 AM, Arelor wrote:

i'm not sure if they are still popular. we just knew they were popular like >> years ago. maybe i will try to visit some and see how many people are
connected.

I don't know about China, but I have seen it mentioned than in South East Asia
they have their own BBS ecosystem which is quite strong. In fact I found a list
of Asian BBS somewhere. It seems they are very popular in Thailand.

I know there are a lot of asian boards registered to use .bbs.io since I
put it on freedns.afraid.org for dyndns use.
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On 9/27/2021 4:33 AM, Ksource wrote:

I don't know about China, but I have seen it mentioned than in South East
Asia they have their own BBS ecosystem which is quite strong. In fact I
found a list of Asian BBS somewhere. It seems they are very popular in
Thailand.

Let me know if you remember or find anything. I'm really curious about that. If nothing else, it would be wild to see ANSI art in their codepage, ha.

Just guessing most of it is going to be UTF-8 at this point.
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On 9/27/2021 1:04 PM, Dumas Walker wrote:

You can run a BBS with HAM Radio.

But can people without a HAM license access them legally? I asked
once and was told no.

Sure they can... just not over the air... nothing stopping someone from
also having the BBS available via telnet or dialup.
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On 9/28/2021 9:11 AM, Nightfox wrote:

My dad is a HAM radio operator, and I've always heard it's customary
to announce your HAM radio license so people know you're legally able
to use HAM radio. If you're running a BBS or connectiong to a BBS
over HAM radio, I'm not sure how that would be verified.

My understanding is that electronic/automated communications need to
signal their license id every N minutes (5 iirc), similar for
station/channel overlays on broadcast tv.

For packet radio, guessing that if it isn't this way already, you could
sign your data signal with a license id.
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Hello DaiTengu;

DaiTengu wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

Yeah, I got my license just over a year ago, as it was something to do while spending so much time at home.

Because of the pandemic, we had a good spike of new licensees. It was somewhat good to see. The trick now is to keep new hams active in the various modes. In today's ham world with the internet here now there's a lot of things one can
do to get on the air from their PC or mobile devices. My packet node for example accepts incoming telnet with verified user callsign and a designated password.

The politics involved with all the distros are... frustrating. It's
been a toxic culture for years. It's been getting better lately, but
it's still not great.

Not just with distros but with those who maintain the various packages. Me personally, I just stay out of the political games.

I have both a D-Star radio and a Fusion HT. There's nothing in my area that does D-Star. I did build a pi-star though, so I can do some cross-mode digital stuff, but it's such a giant pain in the ass that I rarely mess with it. In fact, one of the antenna connectors broke off
my pi-star hat a month or so ago after I had the bright idea to move
the thing, and I just haven't gotten around to soldering it back on.

I have a fusion HT as well since the repeaters local to me are fusion. I
never use it though. Most of the activity is still analog.

I do spend a lot of time using HF digital modes, like FT8 and PSK31 to
a lesser extent. I have a lot of fun with FT8/FT4.

If I could set up an HF antenna, I'd have my node also on Net105... 20 meters. That's a bit of fun. Many stations there.

73

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10-04-21 05:23 Tracker1 wrote to Dumas Walker about Re: BBSing the alternativ Howdy! Michael,

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On 9/27/2021 1:04 PM, Dumas Walker wrote:

You can run a BBS with HAM Radio.

But can people without a HAM license access them legally? I asked
once and was told no.

Sure they can... just not over the air... nothing stopping someone from also having the BBS available via telnet or dialup.

I have a License to Operate a Ham Radio Station, W9ODR.

Around the mid 1970's there were some local Ham Radio BBS's that I
logged on to using Radioteletype on the 2 Meter VHF Ham Band.

Those BBS's were for Licensed Amateur Radio Operators only, if I
had a visitor in the Radio Room, after I Logged on one of the BBS's
I could allow them to use the Keyboard as a Third Party Operator
(That is permitted by F.C.C. Part 97 regulations since I am the
Control Operator).

There wasn't any telephone access to those BBS's.

After I bought a C=64, 1541 FDD and 300 Baud VICModem in 1984
a Ham Radio Friend told me a telephone number for a L/L BBS and
I've been using BBS's since then, first on Dial Up, now by using
the internet.

Later, a local Ham had a HF Packet Radio BBS on 20 Meters Packet
and had another Packet Radio BBS on 2 Meters that I used every day,
until my wife told me to unhook those unsightly Antenna wires I had
running out of the room and through the hall way.

The BBS I use has a Dial-Up line, but isn't a local call for me so
I use DSL now and the Home Phone isn't tied up when I'm Logged On
to the BBS.

In 2006 I got this XP pc and later learned how to get QWK Packets
from this BBS by using a Batch file to run a FTP Script.

Yep!, I'm lazy, I type a few keys and press Enter, and PUSH PULL
CLICK CLICK, I get my BBS FIX.

Another Batch file is used to send REP packets to the BBS.

73 (Best Regards) de (From) Ed W9ODR dit dit


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10-05-21 09:57 Brian Rogers wrote to DaiTengu about BBSing the alternative Howdy! Brian, DaiTengu and All,

Hello DaiTengu;

--SNIP--

If I could set up an HF antenna, I'd have my node also on Net105... 20 meters. That's a bit of fun. Many stations there.

73

Is the Net105 on 14.105 Mc/s?

TNX ES 73 DE Ed W9ODR dit dit

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Hello Ed;

Ed Vance wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

Is the Net105 on 14.105 Mc/s?

Absolutely correct.

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